• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Fire Force to Soul Eater - Death and Asura

Maitreya said:

Asura and Kishin as Adolla:​


Ok, this is a topic that needs to be addressed because it is a pretty substantiative position in regards to Death’s scaling. So I’m going to lay the ground work for why the Kishin is meant to represent Adolla in the Soul Eater world.

​

First…what happened to the original Adolla:​


Explanation: Adolla was simply “put to sleep” as Shinra describes it. Shinra destroyed the original form of Despair that was Adolla, as it didn’t belong in the new world Shinra created.

However, it’s noted that Adolla was never indicated to have been completely destroyed by Shinra. In fact his words of “go back to sleep” seems to indicate that he just made the being weaker and cast it off to the depths of the world, away from the new humanity.

And if Adolla is established to still exist after Fire Force’s conclusion, then what happened to it? And how did it come to be from the new world….

​

The Madness of the Soul Eater world:​


I find this part to be the most interesting section in regards to Adolla’s relation to the Kishin and how it came to be.

The Kishin is madness. I think that’s a plainly established fact throughout the series. The madness that resides in all humans take hold of individuals and make them completely devoid of all emotions. But how did this madness come to be when Shinra supposedly eliminated all the despair of Adolla from the previous world?

Well, you see why Shinra may have eliminated the “despair” the old world by making Death more intimate, he “created a world of madness” when he did so.

The usage of the term “madness” is incredibly purposeful on Ohkubo’s part as it’s meant to establish the ground work for Adolla’s future impact on the soul eater world as the Kishin.

Shinra may have eliminated “despair,” however “madness” and “fear” still remain in the hearts of man and thus the Kishin will always remain so long as life exists. It’s even confirmed in Soul Eater that the irresponsible act of cutting away fear (or eliminating Despair as was the case for Shinra) was the genesis of the world brimming with madness. Thus making way for the Kishin to revive itself. Note: while Asura says “Shinigami” I believe the person he’s referring to here is Shinra as he was the one who both “cut away fear” (eliminated Adolla’s despair) and “brimmed the world full of madness.” (Creates the world full of madness in the first place. It seems this was retroactively retconned thanks to Fire Force to me.)

The Kishin being “fear” itself is incredibly coinciding with Adolla who derives its power of despair through humanities fear of death.

If that wasn’t enough, madness was one of the components making up despair in Adolla in the first place as well. So the Kishin being remained off of “madness and fear” coincided with what we know makes up Adolla in the first place.

It’s honestly a little brilliant on Ohkubo’s part. How everything ties together to form this very narratively consistent gateway towards the Kishin being the remnants of what Adolla was in the past.

The madness that the Kishin carries is also stated to be endless and infinite multiple times in Soul Eater which coincides with the endless amount of despair Adolla carries within it thanks to the very history of humanities despair it embodies.

​

Additional supporting Evidence: Fire Force is the prequel to Soul Eater.​

Yeah so we’re all aware that Fire Force is the prequel to Soul Eater. With the moon in soul eater being the way it is due to Adolla’s reality warping and the sun being the way it is due to Shinra’s reality warping.

Because this is very established in the series, I’d like to just quickly…note a couple…distinct similarities between the two.

Look at them…just look at them and tell me they don’t relate.


FMStJpCagAUmfZg



fc3a77855024dfab11206fd036c6c8bcf09af3e3r1-1440-1017v2_hq.jpg


Yeah I thought so. It’s incredibly consistent with the narrative that the Kishin is the remnants of Adolla, brought forth due to the madness created from the new world. As well as it being consistent with the narrative’s direction of Fire Force being a total prequel to Soul Eater.

The three eyes used to represent the Kishin are the same three eyes used to represent Adolla. Along with the mentions of the Kishin being “fear itself” just like Adolla is and the fact that Shinra confirmed not to have destroyed Adolla, but simply “put it to sleep” indicates a clear pathway for the Kishin to be the Adolla of the Soul Eater world.
Click to expand...
wtf this is brilliant
 
a rough draft of what ap sections would look like when we get to edits. Keep in mind that won't happen until I have an explanation page ready for death and asura, and after part 2 of this crt is finished later on. Also, won't occur until Miatreya finishes the FF cosmology blog. Feel free to make suggestions.

Lord Death
Attack Potency: At least Planet Level, likely Low Multiverse level (Has the same "Power of God" as Shinrabanshoman. Holds the title of God, which according to Haumea puts him above Adolla in power. Defeated and skinned Asura alive before he received black blood), higher with Death Weapons (Would have been able to defeat Black Blood Asura with Spirit)

Keys: Kishin | Black Blood Revival

Kishin Asura
Attack Potency: At least Planet Level, likely Low Multiverse level (Strongest of the Eight Shinigami Legion, which includes Excalibur. Is the reincarnated form of Adolla, putting him on par with the Evangelist), higher with Vajra | At least Planet Level, likely Low Multiverse level (Stronger than before), higher with Vajra (Can tear through Death's defenses, whereas he cannot without it)
 
Last edited:
Two things:

1. Why the "likely?"

2. Death should have a "higher with Death Weapons" as he said he could have defeated Asura if Spirit had been there.
 
fair enough on point 2

as point 1, likely is what is agreed upon by all thread mods and maitreya, and frankly it works best. There can be some qualms with a flat rating. Given the jump, likely works perfectly
 
likelies shouldn't be based on the values, it should be based on the scaling

because ik if the tier 2 shit gets downgraded they wouldn't be "likely tier 5"
 
KingTempest said:
likelies shouldn't be based on the values, it should be based on the scaling

because ik if the tier 2 shit gets downgraded they wouldn't be "likely tier 5"
Click to expand...
Well the tier 5 is a bare minimum scaling from excalibur who solidly scales from fire force characters I'm pretty sure
 
tier 5 scaling chain:
Death > Kishin Asura > Excalibur >= Dragon > Base Shinra and Faerie

Note: Dragon and Faerie need pages

Might be good to make a small feat section on asura's page to include planet level stuff from soul eater

Tier 2 scaling chain: Death > Adolla and Kishin Asura, Asura = Adolla
 
Seems all is well now and since all the scaling and blogs are figured out and taken care of for the most part as of now, I'd say the next move is making officially merging the verses and figuring out how we want to title the overall verse and page format
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Alsotime
Fire Force and Asura’s relation to Adolla
Replies
11
Views
2K
Maitreya12
Maitreya12
Arnoldstone18
  • Locked
FIRE FORCE CRT (PART 4 of 5; DOWNGRADE): DEATH TO DEATH ITSELF
Replies
34
Views
2K
Cyberblader90
Cyberblader90
Arkenis
SOUL EATER - KISHIN PNA UPDATE
2
Replies
53
Views
3K
Alexander
Alexander
Arnoldstone18
FIRE FORCE X SOUL EATER CRT (GOD TIER REVISION): ADOLLA X KISHIN
3 4 5
Replies
173
Views
16K
Alexander
Alexander
Cyberblader90
Fire Force to Soul Eater Part 2 - Merge and End of Series Maka and Co
2 3
Replies
97
Views
5K
Deceived3596
Deceived3596
Back
Top