Captain Mizuki (One Punch Man) vs Austin Theory (WWE) (5-0-9)

[RandomGuy2345]

 

[azontr]

Spears to OP, plz nerf

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Y'all just steamrolled Randomguy with the FRAs lmao

gonna vote mizuki FRA as well
although I admittedly haven't read the arguments I'm sure it'll be fine

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Spears are Mizuki's standard equipment, right? Asking for clarification.

Spears to OP, plz nerf

Mfs these days are too scared to run the 1s

 

[ElajRuengies]

7 votes is Grace right?

 

[Recon1511]

Spears are Mizuki's standard equipment, right? Asking for clarification.


Mfs these days are too scared to run the 1s

Yeah, her baton that can transform into a Javelin is her standard weapon of choice

7 votes is Grace right?

yup

 

[Epiccheev]

Mizuki FRA

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Theory wins via having Blader's Spirit.

 

[Moritzva]

I would like to question if anyone has proven that she will immediately resort to stabbing weapons before he is able to cross a rather short distance. From the scans I saw, it seems she also uses plenty of blunt weapons.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I can still argue that Theory's SI will help him a lot here.

 

[ElajRuengies]

I can still argue that Theory's SI will help him a lot here.

Wait why is it 10 to nothing when Randomguy's been continuously arguing in favor of Austin Theory?

Also pre-congrats on 16,000 messages @RandomGuy2345

 

[Recon1511]

I would like to question if anyone has proven that she will immediately resort to stabbing weapons before he is able to cross a rather short distance. From the scans I saw, it seems she also uses plenty of blunt weapons.

Well her only blunt weapon is the Pole, and given they are fighting in a boxing ring I doubt she would pick it but if she does she can just pole vault on Theory

 

[azontr]

Grace lasts 24 hours so if you can sway people to your side the match can turn around. You can still debate.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well her only blunt weapon is the Pole, and given they are fighting in a boxing ring I doubt she would pick it but if she does she can just pole vault on Theory

Why would Mizuki's thought process be "I'm in a boxing ring with a half-naked man. I should probably impale him."? I don't get it. Afaik, I have never seen Mizuki impale anything but monsters. I have never seen her do it with a human under any circumstance, unless you can prove me wrong of course.

Also pre-congrats on 16,000 messages @RandomGuy2345

Thanks a lot!

Grace lasts 24 hours so if you can sway people to your side the match can turn around. You can still debate.

If I'm able to sway everyone on Theory's side, or even get an Incon out of this, I'm literally him.

 

[azontr]

If I'm able to sway everyone on Theory's side, or even get an Incon out of this, I'm literally him.

you will most definitely be that guy.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I would like to question if anyone has proven that she will immediately resort to stabbing weapons before he is able to cross a rather short distance. From the scans I saw, it seems she also uses plenty of blunt weapons.

To add on this, since Theory is a lot more aggressive and vicious than before, there's a chance he can get the jump on Mizuki before vice versa happens.

He's no longer a coward, and he's not arrogant to the point where it's a detriment. He's a lot more focused than before.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

What sucks the most is that I have school tomorrow, so I won't be able to debate here all that much until I get home, so I'm gonna have to rely on the WWE supporters to hold it down before I come back lol.

 

[azontr]

Bribe Pikaman into arguing for u

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bribe Pikaman into arguing for u

That's literally what I've been doing for the past day or two lmfao.

At least now there's a new argument that has surfaced, so I think I can convince him to hold it down.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Another thing about this match that I vaguely remember being mentioned was whether or not Theory can even disarm Mizuki thanks to the massive LS advantage she has over him.

The answer is yes. A well-placed shot from Theory, and Mizuki for sure is dropping her weapon.

 

[Recon1511]

Why would Mizuki's thought process be "I'm in a boxing ring with a half-naked man. I should probably impale him."? I don't get it. Afaik, I have never seen Mizuki impale anything but monsters. I have never seen her do it with a human under any circumstance, unless you can prove me wrong of course.

Well heroes in OPM usually aren't excited to kill humans (except Blue Fire, he wanted to incinerate a room full of criminals lol) but at the same time they don't have a problem in doing so if they deem it necessary

As per SBA the two characters fighting view each other as enemies that will cause them severe harm or worse if they lose so she will be more than willing to harm Theory badly to win (and this applies to Theory as well, I don't think he would actually kill a person lol)

 

[LaserPrecision]

Why would Mizuki's thought process be "I'm in a boxing ring with a half-naked man. I should probably impale him."? I don't get it. Afaik, I have never seen Mizuki impale anything but monsters. I have never seen her do it with a human under any circumstance, unless you can prove me wrong of course.

That's not really fair though. She's never HAD an opponent that was a human. They happen to all be monsters. We can't assume she won't use her lethal weapons if her opponent is a human. The only way we could assume that is if the battle was a friendly match. But I assume this is a SBA where both character's are both willing to kill.

 

[Rockymountainjammer]

Why would Mizuki's thought of process be "I'm in a boxing ring with a half-naked man. I should probably impale him."? I don't get it.

It's what she opened with the one time she has fought in the series.

The answer is yes. A well-placed shot from Theory, and Mizuki for sure is dropping her weapon.

Given how long she can extend the baton to be (you can see it in the scans above), she could stand a very comfortable distance from him and still attack, with him nowhere near close enough to land a kick like that.

He's no longer a coward,

I am going to preface this response with the fact that I would not consider myself knowledgeable about modern day WWE, I only check out what I can find for free every now and then. So maybe he has become better in this regard lately, but just a week ago he ran away in fear from Bobby Lashley after he tanked a chair shot to the back. (The moment I'm referencing is at 3:55)
He was fighting him prior with no fear, even though he had just had a match, but, if something like that still scares him, I'd like to ask why would he not be afraid of a giant woman with a very long javelin?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well heroes in OPM usually aren't excited to kill humans (except Blue Fire, he wanted to incinerate a room full of criminals lol) but at the same time they don't have a problem in doing so if they deem it necessary

As per SBA the two characters fighting view each other as enemies that will cause them severe harm or worse if they lose so she will be more than willing to harm Theory badly to win (and this applies to Theory as well, I don't think he would actually kill a person lol)

Well, unless I've seen proof otherwise, it's kind of a stretch to assume Mizuki would outright kill Theory off the bat, vice versa as well, despite SBA stating otherwise.

Most WWE wrestlers would usually go for Incap/KO, some would try to legitimately injure their opponents, and there's a rare exception to some people in the verse who'd willingly kill someone.

That's not really fair though. She's never HAD an opponent that was a human. They happen to all be monsters. We can't assume she won't use her lethal weapons if her opponent is a human. The only way we could assume that is if the battle was a friendly match. But I assume this is a SBA where both character's are both willing to kill.

Basically the same as I said above.

Theory never goes for the kill in a match. He always Incaps/KO's his opponents, and I've never seen Mizuki willing to kill a human right off the bat in a fight. Granted, she's never had to face a human, only monsters, but if Mizuki clearly sees that she's facing a human instead of a monster, I'd be more than willing to bet that she'd much rather Incap/KO them instead of trying to impale them like she would with monsters.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I am going to preface this response with the fact that I would not consider myself knowledgeable about modern day WWE, I only check out what I can find for free every now and then. So maybe he has become better in this regard lately, but just a week ago he ran away in fear from Bobby Lashley after he tanked a chair shot to the back. (The moment I'm referencing is at 3:55)
He was fighting him prior with no fear, even though he had just had a match, but, if something like that still scares him, I'd like to ask why would he not be afraid of a giant woman with a very long javelin?

That's...actually a good point lol.

But yes, the old Theory would've resorted to more cowardly tactics compared to now. When he clearly realizes that he's not a match for the opponent physically, that's when he starts to rethink.

So yes, if Theory sees a thicc woman with a big ass javelin, he'd most likely run first and try and grab a weapon instead of trying to attack, which could play into Theory's favor given the chance.

It's what she opened with the one time she has fought in the series.

Read the comment I made below.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well, unless I've seen proof otherwise, it's kind of a stretch to assume Mizuki would outright kill Theory off the bat, vice verse as well, despite SBA stating otherwise.

Most WWE wrestlers would usually go for Incap/KO, some would try to legitimately injure their opponents, and there's a rare exception to some people in the verse who'd willingly kill someone.

She doesn't have to go for the kill with her lethal weapons. She merely needs to wound him so he is incapable of fighting.

Anyway, you'd have a point if she was shown to hold back against a human, but since we've never seen her fight a human who was her enemy, we can only assume she'd attack a human she believes to be an enemy/evil with the same level of prejudice as a evil monster. Which she's shown to kill frequently.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

She doesn't have to go for the kill with her lethal weapons. She merely needs to wound him so he is incapable of fighting.

True. I'll give you that.

Anyway, you'd have a point if she was shown to hold back against a human, but since we've never seen her fight a human who was her enemy, we can only assume she'd attack a human she believes to be an enemy/evil with the same level of prejudice as a evil monster. Which she's shown to kill frequently.

The thing is, why would she assume that Theory is on the same level of prejudice as an evil monster? Spoil alert: He's not a monster lol. He's not necessarily the nicest person in the world, but he's not willing to resort to killing tactics in the slightest.

Now if this was someone like Kane, The Undertaker, or Randy Orton, then your point would apply. Those mfs are willing to kill.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I will also argue that Theory will be 100% more willing to use his finishers here, since he's dealing with someone who uses absurd weaponry in order to win a match.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The thing is, why would she assume that Theory is on the same level of prejudice as an evil monster?

No no, I was saying she would ATTACK with the same level of prejudice. I.e., she wouldn't treat him any differently than an evil monster. As we have no reason to assume she's more prejudiced against monsters for her opening move to be lethal but non-lethal for evil humans.

Sure, if she was shown to opt for non-lethal attacks for evil human opponents I'd agree she wouldn't attack with the same level of prejudice, but she hasn't been shown to do that. So I feel it's safer to assume she'd attack someone she believes to be her enemy or evil (based on SBA) the same way she'd attack a monster.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

No no, I was saying she would ATTACK with the same level of prejudice. I.e., she wouldn't treat him any differently than an evil monster. As we have no reason to assume she's more prejudiced against monsters for her opening move to be lethal but non-lethal for evil humans.

The thing is that Theory isn't necessarily "evil" per say. He's done morally questionable things sometimes, but it's never gotten close to heinous acts of violence.

I'm still not really understanding why Mizuki would resort to killing a normal human who she knows nothing about based on the assumption that "he/she might be evil". Unless of course, we can make the win conditions being only KO/Incap if Mizuki truly is willing to kill Theory off the bat, though I'm honestly not convinced.

Sure, if she was shown to opt for non-lethal attacks for evil human opponents I'd agree she wouldn't attack with the same level of prejudice, but she hasn't been shown to do that. So I feel it's safer to assume she'd attack someone she believes to be her enemy or evil (based on SBA) the same way she'd attack a monster.

Is Theory her enemy? Yes. Though I doubt she'd consider him "evil". In most wrestling matches, the opponent is considered their enemy, and unless the rivalry the opponents are having is very personal, they never really go beyond KO'ing or Incapping their opponents.

Yes, Mizuki has never faced a human before, but why would she view humans the same way she would view a monster?

 

[LaserPrecision]

The thing is that Theory isn't necessarily "evil" per say. He's done morally questionable things sometimes, but it's never gotten close to heinous acts of violence.

I'm not saying Theory is evil. In fact, I'd assume most in WWE aren't. I was just saying doesn't SBA make both fighters assume their opponent is evil/an enemy?

Is Theory her enemy? Yes. Though I doubt she'd consider him "evil". In most wrestling matches, the opponent is considered their enemy, and unless the rivalry the opponents are having is very personal, they never really go beyond KO'ing or Incapping their opponents.

Yes, Mizuki has never faced a human before, but why would she view humans the same way she would view a monster?

Because if she viewed humans differently than monsters we'd be making the assumption that she's speciesest. To some degree, I think all humans are (not in a bad way, def not a vegan. I wouldn't quite compare it to racism as that's still relating to people of the same species and not the best comparison)

But to some degree we have to assume she'd treat a monster and human the same in some circumstances.

Would we treat a monster terrorist any different from a human terrorist IRL? I don't think so. I feel we'd give them the same treatment as both are an immediate threat to many lives.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Though at the very least, I think we can say it's fair that she'd use her lethal weapons without killing the enemy to incapacitate them.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Though at the very least, I think we can say it's fair that she'd use her lethal weapons without killing the enemy to incapacitate them.

I can live with that.

So that impalement argument is now thrown out the window, right?

I'm not saying Theory is evil. In fact, I'd assume most in WWE aren't. I was just saying doesn't SBA make both fighters assume their opponent is evil/an enemy?

I'm going to make sure from now that when I make a WWE matchup, I'm going to make the rules that KO or Incap is the only viable winning options.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Mizuki FRA even thought i'm late lel

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Mizuki FRA even thought i'm late lel

Motherfu-

We're going through new arguments now lol. Can you hold your vote pls?

I already got ********** enough in this thread lol.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I can live with that.

So that impalement argument is now thrown out the window, right?

I mean, you can impale people without immediately killing them. They can die without medical attention afterwards, but you'd be surprised how resilient humans can be sometimes.

Typically it's worse if someone tries to remove the foreign object from their body though since you'll usually start bleeding out. But you could for example survive having a knife plunged into your body if you don't pull it out and aren't struck somewhere like the heart or brain.

I would think impaling is still on the table because of this. She just wouldn't impale him anywhere vital. Somewhere likes in the joints or really anywhere that isn't a vital point would allow her to disable him from fighting.

 

[Rockymountainjammer]

Even if she were to avoid resorting to more lethal tactics, she could keep him at bay with the length of the baton and just keep whacking him with it.

I remember seeing something about Theory throwing stairs or something of the like at Mizuki earlier in the thread, something like that could certainly disrupt her attack and give Theory the chance to get in close, but I'm not too sure he'd even get the chance.

Mizuki covers such a great distance in just one bound (I know these scans have already been sent, just trying to put emphasis on my point, she clears an entire group of heroes and a decent distance between that group and Rhino Wrestler in one jump) that she could probably get in position to continue her assault before Theory can grab a weapon, even if they start in the ring and he rolls out.

I also agree that she could aim for impaling non-lethal points like joints such as the shoulders or knees.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I mean, you can impale people without immediately killing them. They can die without medical attention afterwards, but you'd be surprised how resilient humans can be sometimes.

Typically it's worse if someone tries to remove the foreign object from their body though since you'll usually start bleeding out. But you could for example survive having a knife plunged into your body if you don't pull it out and aren't struck somewhere like the heart or brain.

I would think impaling is still on the table because of this. She just wouldn't impale him anywhere vital. Somewhere likes in the joints or really anywhere that isn't a vital point would allow her to disable him from fighting.

Well, I can certainly argue that Theory can fight through getting impaled in an non-vital area better than a normal human because he has Superhuman stamina.

He can fight for prolonged periods of time while taking shots from foreign objects like kendo sticks and steel chairs, which leave bruises and welts all over the body.

He can also fight on from getting hit by steel steps, which of course, are made of steel.

He's also to fight on despite getting hit by finishers, which I've already how powerful they are (I think Laser knows).

He has also fought matches with broken fingers, and swollen/broken jaw.

she could keep him at bay with the length of the baton and just keep whacking him with it.

Theory dodges quite easily tbh. The baton is obviously long asf, but it doesn't have all that much width, which is something Theory can definitely capitalize on.

I remember seeing something about Theory throwing stairs or something of the like at Mizuki earlier in the thread, something like that could certainly disrupt her attack and give Theory the chance to get in close, but I'm not too sure he'd even get the chance.

I'd argue that throwing steel steps would 100% overpower her attacks with the baton. Also, how long is the average baton? I'm assuming Mizuki's baton is around the same length as the average baton. Also, I know Theory has a clear LS disadvantage, but can't Theory just grab the baton and try and come in closer?

Mizuki covers such a great distance in just one bound (I know these scans have already been sent, just trying to put emphasis on my point, she clears an entire group of heroes and a decent distance between that group and Rhino Wrestler in one jump) that she could probably get in position to continue her assault before Theory can grab a weapon, even if they start in the ring and he rolls out.

That would definitely catch Theory off guard, but like I mentioned earlier, Theory has very good timing, being able to catch his opponents in mid-air. I'm pretty sure Theory can hit Mizuki with a strike while she's in mid-air to change the tides of the fight.

And yes, despite having a clear LS disadvantage, Theory has enough LS to lift Mizuki's body weight (I think. I need to know how much Mizuki weighs). He's also hit his finishers on people with higher LS than him (I believe I've shown proof of this as well earlier in the thread).

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I also agree that she could aim for impaling non-lethal points like joints such as the shoulders or knees.

Aiming at the shoulders is going to be pretty hard to do imo. Theory is always going to be alert of Mizuki's javelin/spear, and the shoulders in general is a very specific spot to aim at, and requires very good accuracy in order to hit it.

If Mizuki tries aiming at Theory's knees, then Theory just jumps over it.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Sorry y'all, but as fun as this debate has been, I need to go to sleep now. I have school tomorrow.

Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into chaos while I'm asleep.