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Tensura Web Novel Revision : Transduality For Our Slime

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from what i discussed with a friend, the duality of light and darkness recreates duality, such as heat and cold etc etc..,yes i agree about td1, but it is possible to get td2
 
Thunderian said:
Many seem to have abandoned the Web Novel version. I'm also actually more interested in the Light Novel version which looks more promising.
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so in fact it also has limited abstract existence? This is interesting, but I understand the WN version has been abandoned
 
Dread said:
Can you prove light and darkness is not only one of many dualities but being symbolizing duality itself?
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Considering the fact that from them time was born, then the other spirits, and Rimuru transcends them both (as they two are a duality) by existing within the universal nothingness that created them both, and had the power to do himself, yes, I can.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Great catch, I agree.

Also, it should be Transduality Type 2, as he transcends both the Light & Dark spirit, which created the other dualities and the world itself.
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In fact only light and dark is consider as logical duality in the proof. We cant just assume extension of light and dark will have some other logical duality
 
Fixxed said:
In fact only light and dark is consider as logical duality in the proof. We cant just assume extension of light and dark will have some other logical duality
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No, this in-fact, is not true. Because The Great Holy Spirit, that being singular, is responsible for the creation of the Spirit of Light & Dark, which are plural:

The great holy spirit is the source of power.
Among these, light and darkness, the two great spirits.
Who came to exist at the same moment as the world.
But, the world was without form, a ephemeral existence.
Light and shadow, darkness and the light. Two existences that shall never interweave.
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From Light & Dark, their child is time:

One day, the great spirit time was born.
The child of light and darkness.
And thus the world began to move.
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From Light & Dark, fell the other Spirits, making the great eight spirits, responsible for the world itself:

Inside the flowing currents of life and death,
Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, and Sky–these five great spirits were born.
And since then, these were the great eight spirits.
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Mind you, this does apply to other dualities, as world in this context means universe, and there are other fundamental forces within TenSura, such as fate and causality.

'The world was cruel, but it offered you everything.

That was the world that Veldanava had created.
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And we can explicitly prove this, as dualities that aren’t specifically mentioned are also included, like space-time:

I see. Veldora-san is alright.
Thank goodness….. Eh? This needlessly large and empty world is the “End of Time and Space”, she said?
Certainly, time doesn’t flow and is in a stopped state. I can’t sense the spread of space either…..

《Yes. In this world, the flow of time has stopped. The spread of space had ceased as well, and in accordance with the Law of Entropy[3], this world has arrived at nothingness.》' (Tensura Web Novel Chapter 248)
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So we can conclude that The Great Spirit created all dualities that shape and form the world, material and immaterial, as to which Veldanava & Rimuru transcended.

Dread said:
This is not TD type 2
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Hitchen’s Razor, therefore your argument is utterly worthless.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
No, this in-fact, is not true. Because The Great Holy Spirit, that being singular, is responsible for the creation of the Spirit of Light & Dark, which are plural:



From Light & Dark, their child is time:



From Light & Dark, fell the other Spirits, making the great eight spirits, responsible for the world itself:



Mind you, this does apply to other dualities, as world in this context means universe, and there are other fundamental forces within TenSura, such as fate and causality.



And we can explicitly prove this, as dualities that aren’t specifically mentioned are also included, like space-time:



So we can conclude that The Great Spirit created all dualities that shape and form the world, material and immaterial, as to which Veldanava & Rimuru transcended.


Hitchen’s Razor, therefore your argument is utterly worthless.
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Can I ask how exactly Rimuru is transcended on this world of dualities or being outside of those Dualities?
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
No, this in-fact, is not true. Because The Great Holy Spirit, that being singular, is responsible for the creation of the Spirit of Light & Dark, which are plural:



From Light & Dark, their child is time:



From Light & Dark, fell the other Spirits, making the great eight spirits, responsible for the world itself:



Mind you, this does apply to other dualities, as world in this context means universe, and there are other fundamental forces within TenSura, such as fate and causality.



And we can explicitly prove this, as dualities that aren’t specifically mentioned are also included, like space-time:



So we can conclude that The Great Spirit created all dualities that shape and form the world, material and immaterial, as to which Veldanava & Rimuru transcended.
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I am curious as to how exactly Rimuru has transcended this world of dualities, or if he is even outside these dualities.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I am pretty sure creating dualities≠ TD 2.
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You do realize, to create those dualities (which axiomatically asserts they did not exist before), you would need to be beyond both? Even the definition of Type 2 disagrees with you.

  • Type 2 (General Transduality): Characters that exist in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within the scope of an entire level of reality and qualitatively superior or immune to the effects caused within it. Furthermore, characters with this type can be accurately described as being in either both or neither state of the dualities.
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Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
You do realize, to create those dualities (which axiomatically asserts they did not exist before), you would need to be beyond both? Even the definition of Type 2 disagrees with you.
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Show me where in the TD page states that. By using your logic i can upgrade a verse which make more than 50% characters TD 2 just for creating conceptual duality in seperate Realities.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
No, this in-fact, is not true. Because The Great Holy Spirit, that being singular, is responsible for the creation of the Spirit of Light & Dark, which are plural:



From Light & Dark, their child is time:



From Light & Dark, fell the other Spirits, making the great eight spirits, responsible for the world itself:



Mind you, this does apply to other dualities, as world in this context means universe, and there are other fundamental forces within TenSura, such as fate and causality.



And we can explicitly prove this, as dualities that aren’t specifically mentioned are also included, like space-time:



So we can conclude that The Great Spirit created all dualities that shape and form the world, material and immaterial, as to which Veldanava & Rimuru transcended.


Hitchen’s Razor, therefore your argument is utterly worthless.
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From what i see the proof for logical duality just for light and dark because they mention yin and yang, the extension of that not proof that

From the five of eight spirit alone you can see there are no duality in that.
I mean what the contradiction of earth? The wind? The sky? Are they interwined and contradiction?
The extension from that just create a element or concept that make up the world, not another logical duality
 
Fixxed said:
From what i see the proof for logical duality just for light and dark because they mention yin and yang, the extension of that not proof that
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I never mentioned Yin-Yang as my argument, so that’s irrelevant.

Fixxed said:
From the five of eight spirit alone you can see there are no duality in that.
I mean what the contradiction of earth? The wind? The sky? Are they interwined and contradiction?
The extension from that just create a element or concept that make up the world, not another logical duality
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I don’t understand what you’re saying.

EldemadeDityjon said:
I read it can you copy paste and bold it where it was stated just creating dualities would make a character TD 2.
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Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
You do realize, to create those dualities (which axiomatically asserts they did not exist before), you would need to be beyond both?
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Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
No, I said “we can conclude”, meaning “we can conclude”. You can stop your attempts at subtle manipulation, they fall flat.
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Literally conclude can mean achieve, comes to conclusion imao? How is this even relevant?
Can you prove that all dualities are created by a great Spirit or not? And no need to be aggressive if someone disagrees.

I understand that the proof for logical duality is only valid for light and dark, since it mentions yin and yang. I don't believe that the extension to other pairs of opposites is valid.

You can see from the five of the eight spirits alone that there is no duality.
Is there a contradiction of earth? The wind? The sky? Are they contradictory or complementary?
The extension from that only creates an element or concept that makes up the world, not another logical duality.
 
Really don't see where it was stated that creating dualities would make TD 2. You need to be being in either both or neither state of the dualities in which reality is dependent on which your scans doens't prove.
 
Dread said:
Literally conclude can mean achieve, comes to conclusion imao? How is this even relevant?
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I said “we can conclude”, and you said “that means we can assume”. That is not what I said, what I said is what I meant. If you question it’s relevancy, think on yourself for trying to twist what I said.

Dread said:
Can you prove that all dualities are created by a great Spirit or not?
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I did, actually. Nothingness -> Great Spirit -> Light & Dark -> Time -> Earth, Water, Fire, Sky, Wind -> the Universe.

Dread said:
And no need to be aggressive if someone disagrees.
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I’m not aggressive, I don’t like people who attempt to lie. I know what I said, and I said nothing but what I did.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Really don't see where it was stated that creating dualities would make TD 2. You need to be being in either both or neither state of the dualities in which reality is dependent on which your scans doens't prove.
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I never asserted created dualities did. I said, for you to need to create these dualities, that would mean you would exist in a state where the dualities do not exist.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Light & darkness of course dualities but not earth water time sky blah blah blah whatever written in there.
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Those dualities form the universe, so, if you don’t want to read it, Hitchen’s Razor.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
I said “we can conclude”, and you said “that means we can assume”. That is not what I said, what I said is what I meant. If you question it’s relevancy, think on yourself for trying to twist what I said.
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I got no clue how is this literally relevant. There are synonyms, there are definitions, this is how I understand your last sentence. I am not here twisting, you mentioned something that it is not even mentioned in the story.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
I did, actually. Nothingness -> Great Spirit -> Light & Dark -> Time -> Earth, Water, Fire, Sky, Wind -> the Universe.


I’m not aggressive, I don’t like people who attempt to lie. I know what I said, and I said nothing but what I did.
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How did I lie, tho? So according to this, you are also lying by saying that time, Earth whatever are dualities, but in fact, they are never treated as one.
Either we can remain civil and communicate like mature people, or we can stop responding.
Ubdon said:
Same debate was with Arceus and it's end with him being td 1 or just omnipresent
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Ya exactly, except the user did not end up the sentence with “Hitchen’s Razor” or don't twist.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Those dualities form the universe, so, if you don’t want to read it, Hitchen’s Razor.
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Duality is an instance of opposition or contrast between two concepts or two aspects of something; a dualism.
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Why don't you go one prove what you claimed for earth and other blah blah blah being dualities. So far only duality we see is light and darkness so only TD type 1. It doesn't Qualifies for TD2 With headcanon.
 
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