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Pre SS Ichigo can easily react to those arrows
First of all I never claimed he is FTL pre SS arc. I was showing consistency.This is where this arguments falls apart unless you're seriously arguing that pre-Soul Society Ichigo (and subsequently every other character) has lightspeed or higher reaction speeds, and lightspeed combat speed.
But this isn't a CRT for general light feats, this is just for the Gin Bankai it seems, so let us stay on topic.
what's exactly the issue with that? Just because you don't believe the characters scale that high it doesn't mean those characters don't scale that highThis is where this arguments falls apart unless you're seriously arguing that pre-Soul Society Ichigo (and subsequently every other character) has lightspeed or higher reaction speeds, and lightspeed combat speed.
But this isn't a CRT for general light feats, this is just for the Gin Bankai it seems, so let us stay on topic.
what's exactly the issue with that? Just because you don't believe the characters scale that high it doesn't mean those characters don't scale that high
And besides rather than FTL substitute shinigami arc Bleach because of cool bur still vague feats, assuming Gin is referring to his clap speed and not the sound of it, it'd be still better scaling it from more contained speed feats such as bankai Ichigo Mach 106 in Soul society arc or something
Yeah I’ll verify that in a bit I’ll be a little busy today.Now Arc is left to verify Gin's 500x clapping and the scans where Gin supposedly says "you heard that" in English.
Thanks.Yeah I’ll verify that in a bit I’ll be a little busy today.
to reach; to touch; to get to; to carry (of sound)
Though there's literally no reason to try and be this weird about it when contextually he is clearly referring to the sound of him clapping.彼女のこえ声はそうおん騒音でよくとど届かなかった。
Her voice did not carry well over the noise.
so is the databook incorrect?I mean, what he says is "届いた" which according to this dictionary means
Though there's literally no reason to try and be this weird about it when contextually he is clearly referring to the sound of him clapping.
Like to imply he's clapping his hands at the speed of light and then says "the blade is 500x that lightspeed clap Ichigo" is some Cartman tier mental gymnastics.
The manga events are Gin saying "You hear that clap? My blade is 500 times faster".so is the databook incorrect?
Same manga says Gin was lying whole timeThe manga events are Gin saying "You hear that clap? My blade is 500 times faster".
The databook is not really relevant to what the manga said and is lower canon to it anyways.
Manga says that Gin was lying to Aizen about what his Bankai could do. We have no idea what lie he told Aizen.Same manga says Gin was lying whole time
how is the databook not relevant if it's literally explaining that very scene?The manga events are Gin saying "You hear that clap? My blade is 500 times faster".
The databook is not really relevant to what the manga said and is lower canon to it anyways.
Because Manga > Databook if there's any contradictions or language issues.how is the databook not relevant if it's literally explaining that very scene?
With the translation you gave me, I would say it contradicts the manga explanation and would be incorrect.Is the databook incorrect or not?
Yes we are talking about Bankai speed only. He was lying whole time he had no reason to reveal his ace to Ichigo. That's a huge assumption.Manga says that Gin was lying to Aizen about what his Bankai could do. We have no idea what lie he told Aizen.
Yeah I was about to say that. The explanation I gave was the one Imade and other like Arc had agreed on forever ago as explaining away the issues regarding the lie statement.All you people talking about “He said he was lying” had been handled in several threads
I mean, he said he lied about how fast it extends and I can't see why he wouldn't tell Aizen and Ichigo the same thing...in the anime during that very moment it shows when he used it against Ichigo. Not saying he's not necessarily referring to the sound of clap but we there's an inconsistency since the reason we gave gin Mach 500 for good was from the databook statementManga says that Gin was lying to Aizen about what his Bankai could do. We have no idea what lie he told Aizen.
That's even worse tbh. That means an attack even slower than Mach 500 was pressuring Ichigo.Same manga says Gin was lying whole timewe are ignore that
As Arc mentioned, Imade this and other went over this awhile ago to explain why the 500x sound figure was completely useable as a speed.I can't see why he wouldn't tell Aizen and Ichigo the same thing
Where did he said that it was slowerThat's even worse tbh. That means an attack even slower than Mach 500 was pressuring Ichigo.
That's the most reasonable assumption.Where did he said that it was slower.
thank you that's all I wanted to hearBecause Manga > Databook if there's any contradictions or language issues.
With the translation you gave me, I would say it contradicts the manga explanation and would be incorrect.