Gin Ichimaru MFTL tapping Riku, cause since when were you under the impression that there is a Mach 500 Anti-Feat?

[Rebirth]

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Is this a fun and games satire or are you dead ass pineapple lord?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Quincy arrows are narratively and in manga reliable source Kisuke stated to be light



It has light properties too can reflect like a normal light
It even moves faster than light can strike. Kubo literally goes his way out and shows it moving in FTL speed.



Pre SS Ichigo can easily react to those arrows



Well people are just fixed to bleach characters are being human level speed. I can understand that .

 

[Damage3245]

Pre SS Ichigo can easily react to those arrows

This is where this arguments falls apart unless you're seriously arguing that pre-Soul Society Ichigo (and subsequently every other character) has lightspeed or higher reaction speeds, and lightspeed combat speed.

But this isn't a CRT for general light feats, this is just for the Gin Bankai it seems, so let us stay on topic.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is where this arguments falls apart unless you're seriously arguing that pre-Soul Society Ichigo (and subsequently every other character) has lightspeed or higher reaction speeds, and lightspeed combat speed.

But this isn't a CRT for general light feats, this is just for the Gin Bankai it seems, so let us stay on topic.

First of all I never claimed he is FTL pre SS arc. I was showing consistency.

1. RENJi casually dodges Uryu arrow
2. Uryu Shadow blizt in SS arc
3. Mayuri vs Uryu. Lmao the whole fight was with Quincy arrows
4. Fatigued Hisagi dodges negation
5. Nanao in war Arc (who is weakest lieutenant, stated to be never trained once ) dodges multiple light beams from Lille.
6. AARRONiERO dodges sun light in Las noches. I know here that is not accepted even though multiple times it's been stated as sunlight in manga.
7. Ulqiorra was casually brushed off Uryu arrows

Well we have more consistency than Gin lie.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I was just showing feats which contradictory with Gin statement. Speed of sound doesn't fit with Bleach. Well whatever

 

[Damage3245]

Majority of those feats have their own flaws, and the consistency as a whole really falls apart once you dive into the scaling for these characters and these "lightspeed" feats.

But this is getting off-topic so I'll stop now.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

This is where this arguments falls apart unless you're seriously arguing that pre-Soul Society Ichigo (and subsequently every other character) has lightspeed or higher reaction speeds, and lightspeed combat speed.

But this isn't a CRT for general light feats, this is just for the Gin Bankai it seems, so let us stay on topic.

what's exactly the issue with that? Just because you don't believe the characters scale that high it doesn't mean those characters don't scale that high

 

[Blallooo]

Things is that it exclusively depends on the speed of Gin bankai, prior feats are good but since they're not that precise still fall apart with kamishini no yari

 

[Blallooo]

And besides rather than FTL substitute shinigami arc Bleach because of cool bur still vague feats, assuming Gin is referring to his clap speed and not the sound of it, it'd be still better scaling it from more contained speed feats such as bankai Ichigo Mach 106 in Soul society arc or something

 

[Damage3245]

what's exactly the issue with that? Just because you don't believe the characters scale that high it doesn't mean those characters don't scale that high

Never said it did, but this is getting off-topic guys.

And besides rather than FTL substitute shinigami arc Bleach because of cool bur still vague feats, assuming Gin is referring to his clap speed and not the sound of it, it'd be still better scaling it from more contained speed feats such as bankai Ichigo Mach 106 in Soul society arc or something

I don't see a good reason for Gin to just be referring to his clap speed, which an unknown speed variable anyway.

Mach 500 seems far more reliable.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Oi guys. Let’s not do this rn and wait for someone who can translate to tell us what the raws say.

 

[Deceived3596]

Actually had someone translate the scan a hour ago and this is what it says.

Spoiler: Scan Translation

Deez Nuts

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Upgrade FRA

 

[Fikriskps]

Brrr

 

[AppleLord]

So far the conclusion is that the French databook says "going at the speed of light" I am not wrong on this. But Arc said that the Japanese databook does not say that. So the fault of the tradition lies in the official French tradition. Now Arc is left to verify Gin's 500x clapping and the scans where Gin supposedly says "you heard that" in English. Although if the databook says it's his hand and not the clap the "you heard that" comment still doesn't mean it's the sound. It could be that Gin was getting Ichigo's attention on this part. These two things remain to be verified.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Now Arc is left to verify Gin's 500x clapping and the scans where Gin supposedly says "you heard that" in English.

Yeah I’ll verify that in a bit I’ll be a little busy today.

 

[AppleLord]

Yeah I’ll verify that in a bit I’ll be a little busy today.

Thanks.

 

[Jibz]

500c Gin. Lmfaooooooooooooooooooo bleach supporters are wild

 

[Qawsedf234]

I mean, what he says is "届いた" which according to this dictionary means

to reach; to touch; to get to; to carry (of sound)

彼女のこえ声はそうおん騒音でよくとど届かなかった。
Her voice did not carry well over the noise.

Though there's literally no reason to try and be this weird about it when contextually he is clearly referring to the sound of him clapping.

Like to imply he's clapping his hands at the speed of light and then says "the blade is 500x that lightspeed clap Ichigo" is some Cartman tier mental gymnastics.

 

[Luziifero]

I mean, what he says is "届いた" which according to this dictionary means


Though there's literally no reason to try and be this weird about it when contextually he is clearly referring to the sound of him clapping.

Like to imply he's clapping his hands at the speed of light and then says "the blade is 500x that lightspeed clap Ichigo" is some Cartman tier mental gymnastics.

so is the databook incorrect?

"You can compare the speed at which "God killing" expands and contracts to the speed at which you can hit your own hands. The sword with an amazing expansion and contraction rate aims at Ichigo at a speed that surpasses the speed of sound."

 

[Qawsedf234]

so is the databook incorrect?

The manga events are Gin saying "You hear that clap? My blade is 500 times faster".

The databook is not really relevant to what the manga said and is lower canon to it anyways.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The manga events are Gin saying "You hear that clap? My blade is 500 times faster".

The databook is not really relevant to what the manga said and is lower canon to it anyways.

Same manga says Gin was lying whole time we are ignore that

 

[Qawsedf234]

Same manga says Gin was lying whole time

Manga says that Gin was lying to Aizen about what his Bankai could do. We have no idea what lie he told Aizen.

 

[Luziifero]

The manga events are Gin saying "You hear that clap? My blade is 500 times faster".

The databook is not really relevant to what the manga said and is lower canon to it anyways.

how is the databook not relevant if it's literally explaining that very scene?


And you never answered my question. Is the databook incorrect or not?

 

[Qawsedf234]

how is the databook not relevant if it's literally explaining that very scene?

Because Manga > Databook if there's any contradictions or language issues.

Is the databook incorrect or not?

With the translation you gave me, I would say it contradicts the manga explanation and would be incorrect.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Manga says that Gin was lying to Aizen about what his Bankai could do. We have no idea what lie he told Aizen.

Yes we are talking about Bankai speed only. He was lying whole time he had no reason to reveal his ace to Ichigo. That's a huge assumption.

 

[KingTempest]

We accept it to be Mach 500. All you people talking about “He said he was lying” had been handled in several threads

 

[Qawsedf234]

All you people talking about “He said he was lying” had been handled in several threads

Yeah I was about to say that. The explanation I gave was the one Imade and other like Arc had agreed on forever ago as explaining away the issues regarding the lie statement.

The feat is just Mach 500.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don’t think y’all are understanding what Qawsedf is saying. The databook supports the fact that Gin was saying it’s 500x sound speed. They even broke down the kanji from the databook to show that it is referencing the sound.

 

[Blallooo]

Manga says that Gin was lying to Aizen about what his Bankai could do. We have no idea what lie he told Aizen.

I mean, he said he lied about how fast it extends and I can't see why he wouldn't tell Aizen and Ichigo the same thing...in the anime during that very moment it shows when he used it against Ichigo. Not saying he's not necessarily referring to the sound of clap but we there's an inconsistency since the reason we gave gin Mach 500 for good was from the databook statement

 

[KingTempest]

Y’all bringing up 2018 arguments

 

[Damage3245]

Same manga says Gin was lying whole time we are ignore that

That's even worse tbh. That means an attack even slower than Mach 500 was pressuring Ichigo.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I can't see why he wouldn't tell Aizen and Ichigo the same thing

As Arc mentioned, Imade this and other went over this awhile ago to explain why the 500x sound figure was completely useable as a speed.

Gin's statement here is just not about him blade actually being 500x lightspeed. There's just nothing you can gain here from Gin. Its either a hole that leads to the statement being unusable or a one that leads to a dead end.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That's even worse tbh. That means an attack even slower than Mach 500 was pressuring Ichigo.

Where did he said that it was slower .

 

[Damage3245]

Where did he said that it was slower .

That's the most reasonable assumption.

If somebody says "Actually it isn't as fast as X", then that sounds to me like the real speed is less than X, not that is is actually thousands of times faster.

 

[AppleLord]

If @Arc7Kuroi has nothing further to add, this thread can be closed. It seems that the official translations are incorrect compared to the raw Japanese scans. That includes the reference to sound instead of Gin, and to the speed of light in the French translation. It's not our fault, that falls to those who were paid to do their job of translating the databooks and did a bad job instead.

 

[Luziifero]

Because Manga > Databook if there's any contradictions or language issues.

With the translation you gave me, I would say it contradicts the manga explanation and would be incorrect.

thank you that's all I wanted to hear

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

A) Gin lied to Aizen not Ichigo
B) The databooks confirm that Gin’s Zanpakuto does travel 500x faster than sound when he extends it to its full 13 km

All of this was covered in IMade’s translation forever ago.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If you find anything else feel free to make a new thread.