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Because the evidence put forward only amounts to it being 4D at most.s
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Because the evidence put forward only amounts to it being 4D at most.s
Why
Is a spatial dimension different from 4D space also 4D space?Because the evidence put forward only amounts to it being 4D at most.
Yes. Different =/= higherIs a spatial dimension different from 4D space also 4D space?
If its not 2D, 1D, 0D because it can contain 3D beings and is different from 4D, then what would it be? The only option is 5D, unless you think its 3DYes. Different =/= higher
That’s literally what a multiverse is. A collection of different 4D space-times.Is a spatial dimension different from 4D space also 4D space?
It's neither. Different doesn't mean lower, or higher. And why do you believe the difference is the amounts of dimensions, and not literally anything else?If its not 2D, 1D, 0D because it can contain 3D beings and is different from 4D, then what would it be? The only option is 5D, unless you think its 3D
Why is it neither?It's neither. Different doesn't mean lower, or higher. And why do you believe the difference is the amounts of dimensions, and not literally anything else?
I explained in the next two sentences.Why is it neither?
A different spatial dimension that is not 0D, 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D. Man I wonder what it could beI explained in the next two sentences.
Its almost as if Greenshifter said this isn't an AP upgradeHow does this affect AP?
It's neither. Different doesn't mean lower, or higher. And why do you believe the difference is the amounts of dimensions, and not literally anything else?
This is also a different point but a dimension isn’t lower or higher than another one. It’s just an axis of movement. So since it’s not the same axis of movements as the material universe (3D) it must have at least 1 different axis of movement, making the combination of both a 4D structure, which the CoT is superdimensional to. This is to avoid all of the “but time isn’t mentioned” type of deal which I knew someone would bring up.It's neither. Different doesn't mean lower, or higher. And why do you believe the difference is the amounts of dimensions, and not literally anything else?
Is this Canon or DBH-only?As for the evidence:
The Demon Realm is a differentmathematicaldimension and a space-time:
"A mysterious space in another(mathematical)dimension from where Son Goku and his friends are. It is said to be inhabited by evil sorcerers and monsters. Babidy, who appeared in the Majin Buu Arc, comes from the Dark Demon Realm, and Dabura rules as its king."
Explicitly, no, no-one states "hey we need to move across the 5th dimension to reach the CoT guys".I must ask; is any dimensional axis beyond the standard 4 even mentioned?
A different mathematical dimension is pretty clearly just referring to another universe/timeline/pocket dimension (since a space isn't exactly existing in a dimensional axis anymore than one can exist in a line) and not the actual mathematical term.
"Super dimensional space" is far from adequate proof for higher dimensional space since what Super means in context is independent of it's standalone meaning and we have no idea what's even being referred to here.
And the Crack in Time existing between timelines being supporting proof for higher dimensional range is just....bruh. Like, by this logic any attack that covers a multiverse would also qualify since it also covers the space between timelines.
As an isolated space-time or realm? And how "clear" it was about being a dimensional axis isn't as solid as you make it out to be, considering the series' propensity for using dimension, timeline and universe interchangeably.Explicitly, no, no-one states "hey we need to move across the 5th dimension to reach the CoT guys".
I think you're missing the point, it got translated in a way that it was clear that it was referring to a different mathematical (or spatio-temporal as some people call it) dimension. The way I interpret it is that it has at least 1 axis that the material universe doesn't have, I'm not sure how else one could interpret it.
Sure, a space above and beyond all timelines, since this doesn't even specify that they mean the actual use of dimensions, not to mention that what "above and beyond" mean depends on context that we don't have.the prefix super- stands for above or beyond. So it literally says "a space beyond/above (all known) dimensions".
That's just a multiverse.I mostly put that there so people can get a better view of the cosmology. A bulk space that contains universes usually helps make tier 1 stuff solid.
How can you get to that conclusion if you follow the translation which says mathematical? Like mathematical is literally referring to movement axis' here.As an isolated space-time or realm?
I'm pretty sure this also refers to mathematical dimensions, but hey I'm no translation expert so doing a "but this kanji actually means this" back-and-forth doesn't interest me, so if you could get someone to independently verify it that'd be great.Sure, a space above and beyond all timelines, since this doesn't even specify that they mean the actual use of dimensions, not to mention that what "above and beyond" mean depends on context that we don't have.
Mathematical dimensions isn't mentioned once, he simply read "dimensions", and assumed it's a mathematical one instead of just... an universe. (Which is how the term is used 9/10 times)I feel like this entire thread hinges on a single term (mathematical dimensions) being mentioned and I have no idea what to say about that. Like, is there anything else that isn't just "this term is mentioned and it means X"?
If you search on a Japanese dictionary, you'll see that 次元 means "dimension" in the mathematical sense. I could post a scan if you want.I mean, you can take his expertise. We just won't.
The demon realm has several statements such as being a space beyond time but this particular one I don't think so. It's a pretty weird space though so it wouldn't contradict anything though.Does this ever come up?
I agree, but that doesn't really address the point though, the translator says it means mathematical and they had access to the entire scan and thus context so...Seriously, it's really annoying to see people just jump on any word they find without having second thought like "hey, can it have several meanings?" or "does it make sense with the story?"
Quasi knows Japanese (to a substantial extent) and is more trustworthy than a translator we don't even know.The demon realm has several statements such as being a space beyond time but this particular one I don't think so. It's a pretty weird space though so it wouldn't contradict anything though.
I agree, but that doesn't really address the point though, the translator says it means mathematical and they had access to the entire scan and thus context so...
I played the game a whiiile ago, if that's enough context. Also I think I was called for one or two DBH CRT and constantly see this kind of upgrade trying to go through.Did he look at the entire context though? If so then Ig you have a point.
The word superdimensional is 超時空 and 時空 means space-time. Usually you would find it for 4D entities or just to talk about an involvement with multiverse and stuff. I would say that it is rather common and not really used the way you're arguing for in the OP.@QuasiYuri Could you also take a look at the super-dimensional scan and see it refers to mathematical dimensions or universes? (Since that is of course the most important scan)