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Orochi feat outlier because boros > orochi but giai canon > collapsing star roaring canon.
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The Orochi ray pushes the Earth's core apart
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Not necessarily, but idc anymore.
Even vaporization that's currently being advocated for is almost a 10th of the low-end Orochi calc.
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It's why I suggest this. If we really can't come up with a method. Just use the standard calc as a lowball.
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So yeah, Orochi’s is definitely an outlier if his feat is over 10x Boros’ maximum output, beyond his normal strength in Meteoric Burst, yet he’s supposed to be weaker than Released Boros.
Not to mention that other characters far stronger than Orochi (Psykorochi and Tatsumaki) consistently perform Tier 6 feats as well.
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I already said this before scratch the calculated AP from orochi feat and just use it as a LS feat instead
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How do I attach images from a mobile device?
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Can u upload to imgur on mobile?
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Class Z is not an outlier though.
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But at the same time, it's just cherrypicking things from the feat
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I don't see a problem, the lifting is fine but the AP is an outlier.
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Well you can scratch the feat entirely then, their LS scale to another thing anyway
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Any anti-feat to Tatsumaki? if not, why would it be an outlier?
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Well it may not be cherry picking
But idk it can be considered cherry picking as well.
The mass and the KE are technically speaking two different things in regard to the calc. So even if KE is found to be an outlier because it breaks our above rules, the mass from the drag may not be.
But idk it can be considered cherry picking as well.
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I mean, yeah, but Tatsumaki has no anti-feat, its not like tatsumaki said ''Oh, I can't lift more rocks than this'', the feat was also very casual, Orochi being higher doesnt means outlier
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Firstly, I said 'could be'. Orochi's feat, keep in mind, is over 824,000 times higher than her's. Secondly, it's not so casual as to be effortless. Tatsumaki was bleeding from the brow afterwards, which Espers do when they exert themselves.
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Tatsumaki already was severely hurt from her fight against Psykos, and her own experession also shows the feat to be casual
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While true, she wasn't bleeding in the previous page showing her face. So the only time it could have happened is between the tsunami coming and her lifting the rocks
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Wouldn't Psykorochi's feat be Moon level if it used KE as well? Speaking of why don't we use KE for that feat again?
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Okay then.
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The plate's depiction was inconsistent (later shots for example showed it being cloud level above the oceans rather than in high atmosphere), and the damages it did when it impacted the Earth contradict the idea that it was 5-C or Low 5-B.
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On the Psykorochi feat, I should bring up that the speed at which the plate was moving cannot be anything above the Earth’s escape velocity because it didn’t eject and float away from Earth. It fell back down.
Just for consideration if yous ever decide to re-calc Psykorochi’s feat using KE.
Just for consideration if yous ever decide to re-calc Psykorochi’s feat using KE.
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that would be it falling down right?
if the damage it done was realistic then pretty much all life on earth would be destroyed, also would it necessarily fall down with the same KE as it was launched up with to begin with?
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No, because this is the immediate page after the space shot
Yes, which is why the Low 5-B and 5-C option was discarded, along with the fact that the original calc had the plate moving 8 times faster than escape velocity, which doesn't make scientific sense as it immediately fell back down.
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yeah after, what would be the point of the shot if it's just the same thing over again. we see it falling even more in the pages after that. if there is a interpretation that doesn't contradict anything it would be better than one that ignores visual evidence
i mean if it were 200+petatons then there would be a bit more damage than a tsunami
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Probably, but it still doesn't back up that KE should be used.
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Following. I'll have to check out the calcs (though it's not like I'm a calc member or can tell which seems better to use, so my opinion is likely Jack-O Valentine.)
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Is the low end accepted in Orochi's feat?
In that case, we'll just put the characters at level 5-C and scale Boros and Tatsumaki to Orochi.
The current CSRT calculation looks like a big lowball and I generally don't know how to calculate the feat correctly. Evaporation seems logical, but in fact the attack could mean the destruction of part of the mantle. The easiest way to ask about this is on Twitter of Murata and ONE's, but so far the true values seem to be unknown.
In that case, we'll just put the characters at level 5-C and scale Boros and Tatsumaki to Orochi.
The current CSRT calculation looks like a big lowball and I generally don't know how to calculate the feat correctly. Evaporation seems logical, but in fact the attack could mean the destruction of part of the mantle. The easiest way to ask about this is on Twitter of Murata and ONE's, but so far the true values seem to be unknown.
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No, it is still more than likely an outlier.
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Asking Authors for stuff like this is against wiki rules btw.
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It is?
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I think it depends on the question? iirc
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We have a policy against using statements that are leading questions or just outright asking an author if a character can do X.
Clarifying a confusing issue, however, is allowed to my knowledge. Like if a character used a certain ability off screen to get to a plot point.
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I don't think we should just go to Murata or ONE and ask what Boros' attacks does or whether CSRC leaves some crater or not. Isn't that against the rules.
Also earlier, I proposes just using the standard surface wiping calc as a lowball if we can't come up with a certain method. Thoughts?
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