Battle of the most beautiful women in the world

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also the people that voted FRA themselves need to find counters to my comments not the thread starter... I don't think they have anything to counter with since it's literally accepted that haki resists telekinesis... But .... If they have nothing to go against my comments and others saying telekinesis won't work then their votes shouldn't be valid

 

[Rez]

Also the people that voted FRA themselves need to find counters to my comments not the thread starter

The thread starter can't vote but they can debate

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The thread starter can't vote but they can debate

Yee but he is going against what's already accepted ... And it will be a never ending debate.... Me saying it's accepted and the other saying it's not on the haki page.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The thread starter can't vote but they can debate

Got more comments than you

 

[SemiRaedi]

this really isn't going anywhere, my point is that the haki page does not have telekinesis as a weakness because it falls into other stuff, e.g Laws room being an area he can manipulate in a way akin to spatial hax, spatial hax can literally allow you to simulate telekinesis which is what Law does, he never is able to control things outside of his room which is an area he can preform his spatial hax which should be enough proof to show that it is literally a spatial form of telekinesis which is not what Fubuki's telekinesis type is. Show me Law using telekinesis without it being related to his room since it's space hax....you can't.

And my point on Fubuki grabbing Hancock making the match a win for her wasn't me saying she easily wins, I was saying that if she goes for that move she easily wins, the same way Hancock you argue uses she slave arrow gg (of course I don't think she'll be able to do so since I'm against your resistance argument and also because speed is equalised).

And you say that it's accepted that haki resists telekinesis but you have yet to show me a statement saying "haki resists telekinesis", the only showing you have are telekinesis that's limited to books since the characters' ability is to manipulate paper and telekinesis that is based of spatial abilities which Fubuki's is not, it's like arguing that haki resists elemental manipulation from 4-D characters when the elemental powers are formed through completely different means to the elements haki resists.

The best solution is to see what other people think since it's clear we are going to argue in circles, I'll see if I can get the people who originally commented to try and combat your arguments too since I'm the OP and it isn't ideal for me to be debating (of course I'm allowed to of course) since as you said the original commenters haven't tried to counter your arguments (although ik that some of the earlier ones are more active on other threads so it's not that they're just avoiding your arguments).

 

[SemiRaedi]

And ordinary telekinesis on it's own is based off lifting strength since your just lifting something which ig would be Fubuki's LS vs Hancock's and that is if we don't count the webcomic which says that it is based on manipulating a persons aura, which everyone has but only a very few people can manipulate (espers)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

this really isn't going anywhere, my point is that the haki page does not have telekinesis as a weakness because it falls into other stuff, e.g Laws room being an area he can manipulate in a way akin to spatial hax, spatial hax can literally allow you to simulate telekinesis which is what Law does, he never is able to control things outside of his room which is an area he can preform his spatial hax which should be enough proof to show that it is literally a spatial form of telekinesis which is not what Fubuki's telekinesis type is. Show me Law using telekinesis without it being related to his room since it's space hax....you can't.

And my point on Fubuki grabbing Hancock making the match a win for her wasn't me saying she easily wins, I was saying that if she goes for that move she easily wins, the same way Hancock you argue uses she slave arrow gg (of course I don't think she'll be able to do so since I'm against your resistance argument and also because speed is equalised).

And you say that it's accepted that haki resists telekinesis but you have yet to show me a statement saying "haki resists telekinesis", the only showing you have are telekinesis that's limited to books since the characters' ability is to manipulate paper and telekinesis that is based of spatial abilities which Fubuki's is not, it's like arguing that haki resists elemental manipulation from 4-D characters when the elemental powers are formed through completely different means to the elements haki resists.

The best solution is to see what other people think since it's clear we are going to argue in circles, I'll see if I can get the people who originally commented to try and combat your arguments too since I'm the OP and it isn't ideal for me to be debating (of course I'm allowed to of course) since as you said the original commenters haven't tried to counter your arguments (although ik that some of the earlier ones are more active on other threads so it's not that they're just avoiding your arguments).

So law can manipulate souls... Even tho he does it with his room or space manipulation he still has Soul Manipulation with his devil fruit that gets resisted by haki... That is enough to resist soul manipulation from other characters in VSBW.... We also know big mom can manipulate soul without any spatial stuff which gets resisted by haki... That supports that mostly any kind of Soul manipulation gets resisted... Which would be the same with telekinesis.

 

[SemiRaedi]

surprise, surprise, it's not on the haki resistance page, Law manipulates souls by swapping their placement around lmao he never actually alters them or anything therefore it's soul manipulation via spatial manipulation, your soul is inside the room so he can manipulate it, it isn't that hard to figure out. Therefore, no, it doesn't mean that suddenly telekinesis is now unbound from being only an application of spatial manipulation when soul manipulation is literally only possible through spatial manipulation.

It's like trying to say accelerator has subjective reality, reality warping, probabilty manipulation and law manipulation on his first key despite those abilities only being used in specific circumstances, which is exactly like Law's soul manipulation and telekinesis, he manipulates the location of the objects inside the room to move them around, this is completely different from Fubuki who lifts up objects with her LS or by manipulating ones aura.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

surprise, surprise, it's not on the haki resistance page, Law manipulates souls by swapping their placement around lmao he never actually alters them or anything therefore it's soul manipulation via spatial manipulation, your soul is inside the room so he can manipulate it, it isn't that hard to figure out. Therefore, no, it doesn't mean that suddenly telekinesis is now unbound from being only an application of spatial manipulation when soul manipulation is literally only possible through spatial manipulation.

It's like trying to say accelerator has subjective reality, reality warping, probabilty manipulation and law manipulation on his first key despite those abilities only being used in specific circumstances, which is exactly like Law's soul manipulation and telekinesis, he manipulatehakis the location of the objects inside the room to move them around, this is completely different from Fubuki who lifts up objects with her LS or by manipulating ones aura.

I don't think you understood my comment... Devil fruit abilities gets resisted. Law has Soul manipulation with his room... And haki resists it the same way haki resists big mom's soul manipulation... Which is completely different....

 

[SemiRaedi]

and let's say your argument is valid, saying that people resist most forms of soul manipulation when the only thing shown was characters souls getting swapped around these characters being ones like Luffy, Zoro and Sanji who all have arnament haki. So why should resisting getting your soul swapped around mean you resist most forms??? It's like saying that because haki users resist normal fire attacks that suddenly they resist getting burnt by most kinds of attacks, because soul manipulation is so wide in how it works, you have characters like this can transform bodies and inflict mind manipulation onto opponents by touching their soul so why is it fair to assume that resisting getting your soul swapped resists this?

 

[SemiRaedi]

I don't think you understood my comment... Devil fruit abilities gets resisted. Law has Soul manipulation with his room... And haki resists it the same way haki resists big mom's soul manipulation... Which is completely different

I don't get your point, so you admit that Law's soul manipulation is spatial based (also mb, I didn't know about Big Mom's soul manip so I assumed Law swapping souls was the only case) which means that his telekinesis should be treated the same?

 

[Schnee_One]

Soul manipulation and telekinesis aren’t related on this wiki.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Soul manipulation and telekinesis aren’t related on this wiki.

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean by that

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Soul manipulation and telekinesis aren’t related on this wiki.

how is telekinesis not releted? Are you talking about derailing?

 

[SemiRaedi]

I think what schnee thought I said was that soul manipulation and telekinesis should be treated the same when I meant that Law's telekinesis should be treated like that since it's all via spatial manip, correct me if I'm wrong tho

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Big mom and Brook have many soul based abilities... Which gets resisted by haki... law's soul manipulation gets resisted... This would be similar to different types of telekinesis.. Like Spatial telekinesis, Spiritual Telekinesis and more I feel like

 

[SemiRaedi]

Law literally moves souls, via changing their position, it is literally only soul manipulation because he's moving the soul, he cannot offensively affect it or do anything but move it, it is barely anything compared to Big Mom and Brook's so they aren't even comparable, one moves souls around the others alter them, create ice with them, create life with them. Just because they are all nullified the same doesn't mean they are all the same thing, that is a false equivalence, it simply means "oh, because they are devil fruit abilities, they gut nulled", that's it. Law used spatial hax to preform soul manipulation and uses spatial hax to preform telekinesis, therefore it shouldn't be treated the same as telekinesis with no technique behind it.

 

[Schnee_One]

how is telekinesis not releted? Are you talking about derailing?

I think what schnee thought I said was that soul manipulation and telekinesis should be treated the same when I meant that Law's telekinesis should be treated like that since it's all via spatial manip, correct me if I'm wrong tho

No I was talking more that soul resistance does not mean you resist telekinesis.

Which is true, as manipulating a non-corporal soul is different from a non existent force, of course Boa has higher lifting strength I thought

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

No I was talking more that soul resistance does not mean you resist telekinesis.

No one said that it was just a reference

 

[SemiRaedi]

ah alr mb for assuming what you meant.

MonkeyOfLife is saying that Boa can resist it is because characters in OP should resist Law's DF ability which has telekinesis despite the fact that I explained that Law preforms telekinesis via spatial hax while Fubuki doesn't which is what started this argument. I'd like to hear from someone who is non biased in this argument as to whose interpretation is the one we should follow as this match is either a stomp if Boa resists or it is actually debatable if she doesn't.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

ah alr mb for assuming what you meant.

MonkeyOfLife is saying that Boa can resist it is because characters in OP should resist Law's DF ability which has telekinesis despite the fact that I explained that Law preforms telekinesis via spatial hax while Fubuki doesn't which is what started this argument. I'd like to hear from someone who is non biased in this argument as to whose interpretation is the one we should follow as this match is either a stomp if Boa resists or it is actually debatable if she doesn't.

Every armament haki user resists devil fruit abilities... Law has Spatial Soul manipulation... And haki resist that... Now we know that different soul manipulation gets resisted as well by haki (big mom and brook) this should be similar to spatial telekinesis.... Which gets resisted by haki... So different types of telekinesis should also be resisted the same way as soul manipulation.

 

[Phoenks]

I haven't read this entire thing but if you're saying she resist conventional forms of telekinesis because they resisted soul-based spatial/mental abilities, you're wrong. They aren't the same.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I haven't read this entire thing but if you're saying she resist conventional forms of telekinesis because they resisted soul-based spatial/mental abilities, you're wrong. They aren't the same.

No... Telekinesis has nothing to do with Soul manipulation.... All of law's abilities are from his spatial ability... I am saying haki resists his spatial soul manipulation... But haki also resists other types of soul manipulation like big mom's or brook's soul manipulation which are completely different from laws devil fruit.... So it should/would be the same for law's spatial telekinesis...

 

[Schnee_One]

Fubuki's telekinesis is Psychokinetic not Spatial, so that won't work.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Fubuki's telekinesis is Psychokinetic not Spatial, so that won't work.

Big mom and brook isn't spatial and get resisted by haki

 

[Schnee_One]

Big Mom uses TK? When?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Big Mom uses TK? When?

O....m... G... I am talking about soul manipulation..... law has spatial soul manipulation and big mom has normal? soul manipulation... Both gets resisted by haki but are not the same thing. Resisting spatial soul manipulation = resisting normal? Soul manipulation by big mom or brook... Resisting spatial telekinesis = resisting Psychokinetic Telekinesis is what I am trying to say...

 

[Schnee_One]

O....m... G... I am talking about soul manipulation..... law has spatial soul manipulation and big mom has normal? soul manipulation... Both gets resisted by haki but are not the same thing. Resisting spatial soul manipulation = resisting normal? Soul manipulation by big mom or brook... Resisting spatial telekinesis = resisting Psychokinetic Telekinesis is what I am trying to say...

Why are you talking soul manipulation at all when that and telekinesis have no relation?

More importantly, TK cannot be resisted, it is based on lifting strength, it’s not a power that can be resisted similar to how you can’t resist AP. Boa’s lifting strength is also listed as unknown so until it’s revised….

Fubuki FRA

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Why are you talking soul manipulation at all when that and telekinesis have no relation?

More importantly, TK cannot be resisted, it is based on lifting strength, it’s not a power that can be resisted similar to how you can’t resist AP. Boa’s lifting strength is also listed as unknown so until it’s revised….

Fubuki FRA

So you are voting Fubuki because?…

 

[Schnee_One]

Because Boa doesn’t resist TK given the lackluster reasons for her being able to do so.

Boa doesn’t have the lifting strength to resist it until a CRT is made.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

More importantly, TK cannot be resisted, it is based on lifting strength, it’s not a power that can be resisted similar to how you can’t resist AP.

Yes you definitely can resist telekinesis… you can also resist ap by being rubber like Luffy…

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Because Boa doesn’t resist TK given the lackluster reasons for her being able to do so.

Boa doesn’t have the lifting strength to resist it until a CRT is made.

Even if she doesn’t resist it… boa has precog, conquerors haki plus Fubuki doesn’t just grab people and destroy their brain or something…
Boa one shots with her beam… while Fubuki doesn’t….

 

[Schnee_One]

Rubber only decreases blunt force trauma not AP, hit it with a 5B punch and see what happens.

Resist Telekinesis wouldn't really help anyway because Fubuki doesn't grab opponents and yeet them around like Tatsumaki, she crushes them in the ground below, something you can't resist without proper LS either.

More importantly, Spatial Manipulation or Soul Manipulation isn't accepted on the site as being tied to Telikinesis, so until you show me where on the site they are correlated, literally the entire argument for Boa resisting is out the window

Precog means shit because Telekinesis hits instantly

Also, guys, SBA, Boa is fighting someone HUNDREDS OF METERS AWAY while Boa has the range of only several dozen, meaning until boa gets in range, all of her attacks are useless....

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

More importantly, TK cannot be resisted

Link

 

[Schnee_One]

Good thing I was planning on removing that given the context of that feat, but that still falls flat because resisting TK only depending on how strong your TK resistance is.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

More importantly, Spatial Manipulation or Soul Manipulation isn't accepted on the site as being tied to Telikinesis,

Oh so then I guess law has the same telekinesis as Fubuki… well now it 100% gets resisted.

Resist Telekinesis wouldn't really help anyway because Fubuki doesn't grab opponents and yeet them around like Tatsumaki,

Precog means shit because Telekinesis hits instantly

What?

Rubber only decreases blunt force trauma not AP, hit it with a 5B punch and see what happens.

Luffy tanking Kizaru and Sengoku link, link and link

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Good thing I was planning on removing that given the context of that feat, but that still falls flat because resisting TK only depending on how strong your TK resistance is.

Yes… and haki resist law’s telekinesis which only depends on laws stamina… which is much stronger then Fubuki’s telekinesis

 

[Schnee_One]

If you can link when someone resisted laws TK I’ll switch my vote to Boa

….Granted, I’m not entirely sure what fubuki can do here past that…

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Just wanna say
Notable Attacks/Techniques:

• Expert Psychic Combatant:Fubuki has been shown to mainly use this skill when fighting opponents, throwing rocks, pebbles and various other items at her target, or manipulating their surroundings to her advantage to impede or crush them.
  • Hell Storm (地獄嵐, Jigoku Arashi): Fubuki surrounds the target with a strong tornado, drawing in rocks and nearby small objects to inflict damage along with the wind.
  • Psychic Whirlwind (念流廻転嵐, Nen-ryū Kaiten Arashi): By making her psychokinetic signals move in circles around her, Fubuki can create a whirlwind capable of harmlessly redirecting psychic attacks much stronger than her own, as she showed in her fight with Psykos. The technique also has a jamming effect: if another esper steps into the whirlwind, they will allegedly be unable to use their abilities.
  • Psychic Strike (念打, Nen-da): By making a chopping motion with her hand, Fubuki can hit a target on the back of the neck with her telekinesis, knocking them out.
  • Psychic Binding (念動金縛り, Nen-dō Kanashibari): An ability used to suppress the power of another esper.
  • Hell Cluster (地獄団子, Jigoku Dango): Fubuki gathers debris from her surroundings and crushes the opponent with it

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

None of those are doing anything to boa… precognition… intangible aoe beam… and conquerors haki which does make some sort of shockwave pushing things away