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Kirby's Low 1-C Discussion of sorts

Considering that random Pink Cube to be a Tesseract would be a rather big stretch in this discussion which is already very stretched
 
Effi, your unprofessionalism is baffling. Did you always have your head this far up your ass of do you get some kind of power trip from being a mod on VS Battle Wiki of all things? All the rumors I've heard about you have now been backed up by what I've seen. You need to be more respectful. Your status on this Wiki allows you to call the shots on pretty much things Kirby-related, and that's it. That's already more than enough power for one person. You don't get to insult people for thier point of view on the power of a children's game character. Get your shit together and I'll acutally respond to your arguments in a respectful civilised manner like I originally planned.
Eficiente said:
Degrading" the other's arguments makes a debate
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If your definition of a debate is whatever the hell happens in Goku vs Superman comment sections, then sure, but real adults settle arguments by deconstructing what thier opponent says without insulting thier point of view or who they are as a person. The fact that you don't know know this and you're a mod has terrifying implications on this site. You even say shit like "sorry to say this, but" before taking your jabs, which just makes you look like even more of a passive-agressive spoiled brat. Wow.
 
I didn't insult you, just called the arguments made many things like them being nonsense or absurd if the logic behind them made them be that, a number of them I really saw as trolling, but I remained explaining why what was wrong was wrong and saying it in a way to be hopefully understood when read, not only would I be a robot to not express the different degrees in which each thing was wrong but I would also be failing to explain things if I don't make the distinction. For example, if I say the why it's wrong of you making a headcanon over something implied to say that the implication is wrong then how do I know you wouldn't make another headcanon over the implication to still dismiss it? I don't just need to state why what you said was wrong, but that the logic behind it "was bad and not something that should be done, because it doesn't make sense to do so", or I could just say it's nonsense. Or absurd. But I'm only talking about the argument. Alter my comments with added real insults to you and others and the wording on your last comment about the insults becomes correct.
 
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Either one, or both. Editing it would at least make me less reluctant to respond to it tbh. But as long as you don't treat anyone the same way again (as a mod on this Wiki, at least), and as long as you keep in mind that VS debeating is inherently a silly subject in nature that was never meant to be taken this seriously. Of course, that doesn’t mean we shouldn't try to look at it through an objective point of view (since that is the purpose of this site), but it does mean that you shouldn't attach your ego onto your beliefs. Staying open-minded and civil makes it better for everyone. This obviously applies outside of VS debating as well.
Under these conditions, I'm willing to keep this debate going like practically nothing ever happened.
 
Just here to observe the discussion, neutral for now.
 
I personally think the Cosmology being Low 1-C is fine
But I can't see anyone really scaling into it aside from speed
 
Ppl don't really care about what you or i think but whatever.
If it is that way then I'm pretty sure kirby and the god tiers post RTD would scale to low 1-C cause Magolor nuked the whole thing by dying and Void kinda created it all.
 
"Magolor nuked the whole thing by dying"... May I know how many verses have things getting destroyed after the defeats of villains that didn't create them?
I believe the collapsed thing is the Level 8 with obstacles and enemies that he created inside that dimension to stop the heroes and Landias from following him.
We can talk about this until Peptocoptr27 and Eficiente resume their discussion, which I'm not returning to for now.
 
Arceus0x said:
If it is that way then I'm pretty sure kirby and the god tiers post RTD would scale to low 1-C cause Magolor nuked the whole thing by dying and Void kinda created it all.
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While Magolor did most likely collapse the whole speculation wise (hence my belief of tier 2 Kirby), we lack the proof to say he did.

Void didn't.
Somelatinguy said:
"Magolor nuked the whole thing by dying"... May I know how many verses have things getting destroyed after the defeats of villains that didn't create them?
I believe the collapsed thing is the Level 8 with obstacles and enemies that he created inside that dimension to stop the heroes and Landias from following him.
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See the Stabilization Feats discussion, find my comment about it, quote it and comment about it, or about our standards for Stabilization Feats if those are the issue.
 
So the place where they were fighting shattered and disappeared into oblivion it seems and that place was the road.

Also Void kinda made everything i believe. He's the origin, and if he's the origin then he has to be on the same dimension as his creations.
I ain't got time to talk about this doe. Peace out i gotta sleep.
 
Sorry didn't see effis comment the site is glitching for me (i didn't see my text for some reasons for a solid five minutes)
 
Eficiente said:
Done.
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Alright, that could have been good enough for me, but you left those in:
Eficiente said:
I do, in fact, "know better than you"
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This is exactly why I call you close-minded. You have complete monopoly over what goes and what doesn't over the Kirby verse and that seems to have made you develop a massive ego that makes you think you can never be wrong. I want to keep this debate going, but I want to be completely sure that I'm not wasting my time trying to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced. This wouldn't be such an issue if it wasn't for the fact that, again, you're the only one who can apply revisions to the Kirby verse. There's no other mod who specializes in the verse.
Despite spending so many hours writing my blog and thinking it through, I'd still be fine with being proven wrong (especially since I like the idea of tier 2 Kirby more than tier 1), but I need to be completely sure that you share the same mentality and values when it comes to debating. Of all people, I would expect mods to be the most open-minded and least likely to fall victim to confirmation bias. I'm not asking you to stop having faith in your beliefs and blindly buy everything I tell you. Just to still be open to new possibilities like I am. Based on what I've seen so far both on this thread, and in some older ones you were involved in, that just doesn't seem to be the case at all.
Eficiente said:
"Degrading" the other's arguments makes a debate, it's helpful to point out how I believes a bad argument to be bad and a nonsensical one to be nonsensical. It's sets up standards. And given how most of yours are, you should very much take in what others have to say to them.
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Do you not see how that last sentence comes off? Do you get what I'm saying and why this is a problem now? You're actively discouraging new ideas and perspectives from being presented.
 
The "I do, in fact, 'know better than you'" it's taken way out of context; you made up info about a topic, I didn't, as since you therefore had more info about said topic you claimed that "it sure seems like you don't know any better than I[you] do". There no magic context that makes me saying it me being close-minded and all that stuff while you saying is good, it's not worth all that you wrote there.

For the second problem, I just tell you take in deconstructions and criticism. I may very much disagree with you say but that's not the same as me "actively discouraging new ideas and perspectives from being presented", that's not stated nor implied, but invented from your point of view. If someone else brings up new ideas and perspectives what that I said = that I'll just disagree with it? I did say that tier 1 stuff will be wank but that's kind of an educated guess.
 
So there's a Stabilization concept unrelated to structures' creation, that's interesting.
However, in order for a character to sustain a structure, the latter must depend on the former.
The dimension has behaved normally before Magolor gets the Master Crown, so it doesn't depend on him with or without the crown and isn't the sustained structure.
In fact, the shattering crystal-like walls are the structure's boundaries; and they're actual walls, as they're the same type as the floor letting the heroes fall after shattering.
So, the sustained structure is the Level 8 with obstacles and enemies that he created to stop the heroes and Landias from following him.
 
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Eficiente said:
See the Stabilization Feats discussion, find my comment about it, quote it and comment about it, or about our standards for Stabilization Feats if those are the issue.
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Note that I talk about that other thread, and not this thread, yes?
 
"The "I do, in fact, 'know better than you'" it's taken way out of context; you made up info about a topic, I didn't, as since you therefore had more info about said topic you claimed that "it sure seems like you don't know any better than I[you] do". There no magic context that makes me saying it me being close-minded and all that stuff while you saying is good, it's not worth all that you wrote there."
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The context really doesn't make it much better tbh. You still come off the same way, and saying that I "made up info" doesn't help your case. This is such a waste of time to argue about that I'm willing to drop it though.

"For the second problem, I just tell you take in deconstructions and criticism. I may very much disagree with you say but that's not the same as me "actively discouraging new ideas and perspectives from being presented", that's not stated nor implied, but invented from your point of view. If someone else brings up new ideas and perspectives what that I said = that I'll just disagree with it? I did say that tier 1 stuff will be wank but that's kind of an educated guess."
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It's hard to shake off the feeling that I'm wasting my time, but as long as neutral unbiased mods follow our debate thoroughly before taking thier stance, there should at least be some level of equal playing field, so I'll stop delaying this and just give a normal reply as soon as I have the time for it. I can't say VS debating is gonna be my first prority these next few days, so you'll have to excuse my delays, though.
 
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I did the "about our standards for Stabilization Feats" part.
The collapse is a reason this thread was made, isn't it?
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The power of its tier and how much it covered, not how Magolor doing it doesn't scale to his own tier. You're derailing.
 
He's actually tryna argue here cut em some slack man.
We've been kinda derailing from the beggining, talking about other stuff as we are not as well versed in the kirbyverse as you two.
 
Anyways pepto please just provide the clear evidence and logical chain for everything you said.
And i don't mean the blog i mean it in a "explain like I'm 5" Type
 
Somelatinguy said:
How in the world is the second line trolling?
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The whole comment I made in the other thread was not derailing as all of it was about Magolor's feat. This thread goes over how Magolor's 4-A feat is Low 1-C and how the place messed up is tier 1 and not what we think it is, which has nothing to do with how Magolor's feat doesn't scale to him.

Help from any other staff dealing with this would be very much appreciated.
 
When did I say Magolor's feat doesn't scale to him? Anyway, unless this is debunked, the collapsed place is only the Level 8.
 
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When did I say Magolor's feat doesn't scale to him? Anyway, unless this is debunked, the collapsed place is only the Level 8.
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The "... May I know how many verses have things getting destroyed after the defeats of villains that didn't create them?" implied otherwise. This thread isn't about that only being there.
 
Certainly, you answered my question, but later I said:
However, in order for a character to sustain a structure, the latter must depend on the former.
The dimension has behaved normally before Magolor gets the Master Crown, so it doesn't depend on him with or without the crown and isn't the sustained structure.
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And below in the same reply, I said how the sustained structure is actually a created place with crystal-like boundaries, obstacles and enemies.
 
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