Well, I thought the reason for discussing about the cosmology was Magolor's feat.
uh huh. riiiiiight.
You mean the entire blog or just the explantation as to why I disagree with Halcandra being inside the extra-dimensional road? One is far simpler than the other, but I don't know if I'm skilled enough to explain it to a 5 year old with no experience in VS debating lol.
The entire reason this thread got locked to begin with was so I could edit my blog. I kinda figured you would have looked through it once it opened back up.
Yeah, he would, but if he was just referring to that, then why wouldn't he just say the order in which the fights take place? Anyway, the reason it supports my argument is because even WOG has no idea how to place the fight in a concrete Kirby timeline, but still knows that some theories can be made when it comes it how they relate to Galacta-Knight himself. At worst, it supports neither of our points, and it's just another instance of WOG making things more complex rather than clarifying things
He was in the road because everything in the verse that we know of resides inside the road. Entire universes are inside of it. You said so yourself, but moving outside of those universes, but still within the road means you're moving in a 5D realm.
He could have been in a universe inside the road or simply in the road itself (more on that later). We don't know where and when Star Dream pulled him from, and we're not even sure if Star Dream DID pull Galacta-Knight into Another Dimension, resulting in his boss fight in Return To Dreamland's True Arena. That's just me playing along with your idea, because I beleived it for so long that I'm still trying to make it work, but not only is it just based off food for thought in a Miiverse post, but it brings up the question of why would Star Dream allow Galacta-Knight to stop half-way through his trip just to fight Kirby when that goes against the reason he summoned him? That would mean Galacta-Knight fought Kirby and/or Meta-Knight twice in a row without a break (First, in RTD, then in Meta-Knightmare Returns, and sometime later in the True Arena of Planet Robobot)? Why would Star Dream allow that when the whole reason he summoned Galacta-Knight was for him to fight Meta-Knight and give him a run for his money?
Cosmologies can have multiple levels of dimensionality overlapping with each other. In fact, that's how most Low 1-C and higher cosmologies work. The higher realm tends to comprises the lower one within itself. Like how 3D space comprises 2D "slices" within an infinitesimal portion of itself. Or like the speed force in DC, for example, which is a 6D realm above the multiverse, comprising all lower dimensions within it. By technicality, any normal person walking down the street would be walking through the speed force, but that's unquantifiable unless they leave the boundaries of thier universe to move in a space which is exclusive to the speed force (and the realms above it). I'm not sure how much VSBW still abides by that logic after the teirng system FAQ, but seeing as Blazblue's immeasurable and Low 1-C characters have survived the downgrades that multiple other immeasurable characters got affected by, it seems it still does.
By that interpreatation, Star Dream could have still dragged Galacta-Knight through the road even through Another Dimension, despite its normal flow of time. That's why it would matter that the road is above the dimensions. Again, that's only going by your interpretation of the Miiverse post though. I'm starting to see more flaws in it the longer I think about it.
This is once again best kept for later, but you should read the blog in the meantime.
You're still mis-understanding my arguments. I never once asked the game to show flowers blooming in the space of Magolor's universe in order to debunk my point, since I always said that Magolor's universe has a regular flow of time, and that the road is superior to it. Are you telling me that I'm unreasonable in my demands for your proof that the road and Another Dimension are inheritely the same? Because even you acknowledge the massive amount of differences and distinctions that they have.
No reason? You still can't see any kind of reason for me saying that? Besides, I don't even consider "a" and "A" to be the same location in nature. Just that "a" is inside of "A". They overlap with each other, because that's how higher dimensions work in relation to each other, but they're not the same in nature, since that would imply the road doesn't exist as described, and is simply another universe no different from any other in Another Dimension. However, there's so much proof that's not the case.
I already do. In fact, I used to buy everything your blogs said until I started thinking for myself.
Exactly! My whole point is that he wasn't outside the road, but outside of Another Dimension, in the space between dimensions where only the road would exist (which makes even more sense when you consider that the space between universes is know as the 5th dimension according to the speed page). As for why Magolor didn't cross two centimeters and create another portal to lead him closer to Pop Star, there are many factors that explain why he didn't do that. First, it's important to establish that the portal is clearly intent on taking Magolor to Pop Star. He even says that Kirby's planet is going to be the first victim of his tyranny. So, since you think that Halcandra is inside the road and that the space they travel through is somewhere else, then that means your only defense left is the idea that Magolor travelled to a previously unexplored dimension to mind control Doomers to help him take over the universe. Not only is this pretty presumptuous, but it once again brings up the queston of "Why bother?". Why would Magolor need an army of Doomers to control the universe? One of your blogs has a similar, yet seemingly contradictory presumption which holds some water. It says that Magolor was likely plotting to control the universe via mind-control. If he has such an abillity via the infinite power of the crown, why would he need to control Doomers firsthand? And most of all, if he DID control Doomers, then why did he say Kirby's planet would be the first victim of his control? Also, while Magolor does use teleportation and portals inside the road, and it barely allows him to gain any distance on Landia, Kirby and co, which makes sense since not only are Kirby characters stupid fast, but Magolor's portals and teleportation only have low multiversal range, so it makes it damn near impossible to gain meaningful distance in a Low 1-C realm.
Could you rephrase that?
The road is the only way to travel between universe as far as we've seen in the Kirby series. It's not like he had any other option.
Except it's litterally said to be in front of the road rather than anywhere inside it If they intented for it to be inside, they would have said "at the edge" of it, like how they did with Pop Star at the edge of the universe, of the divine terminus at the precipice of another dimension/the farthest reaches of the universe, or Nova at the edge of the galaxy, or so many other examples.
Oh yeah, right. So you agree that the Lor does it, but you don't agree that Magolor did it when he took the crown? Surely, I'm mis-understanding what you said here, because if I'm not, then the reasons you would claim this are beyond me.
How would BOTH of these be cinematic timing? The first one, I can maybe understand, but there's no cut do indicate a timelapse. The Lor just gets into the portal and comes out the other side in practically no time like Magolor said it would.
Already adressed.
What?
Interesting. Can you send me a link that shows what you're referring to exactly? I just want to be sure we have the same image in mind before I respond to this.
How did Doomers drift to the past, then? How did ancient war machnes and acient warriors go into the future?
"No reason"? I'm just gonna ask you to re-read the blog if you really think that... I'm not gonna type another 1000 word list of reason why I beleive that it does. The Dream Kingdom alone proves that it's not exclusive to Kirby's universe, and the fact that it's a "far away realm" means that it's far from the only one. In fact, you even said that the road contains multiple universes, which means that you already know that at least most of the verse is inside it, and therefore connected to it.
Then why aren't Kirby top tiers quintillions of time FTL (or whatever a feat of travelling through so many universes in mere seconds would output)?? Also, why is Magolor's universe suddenly at the edge of Another Dimension? Where did that all come from? None of this even resolves my confusion at the thing you just said. It sounded like you were saying that there are 3 or 4 universes (depending on if you consider the road a universe of its own, which you see to do) circling each other somehow and that Magolor went through the final one to loop back into the first one instead of taking the second one that lead him there to begin with. If that sounds confusing, that's because it is. Your headcanon is what lead me down this tangeant because your words don't even add up or make any sense by themselves, especially after this paragraph.
I edited in the words "other than" since I assume that's what you mean to say. Anyway, that's not my only reason, and you would know it if you had read the blog.
This is unlike the way any level on Halcandra could be described, so by your own logic, Halcanrda should be in its own universe rather hanging out in extra-dimensional space outside of it. It's not like this definition of a road really supports EITHER of our arguments though.
So now you admit that it's large enough to contain entire universes and should therefore exist between them?
Just outside of it. If it was in the edge, they would have said "at the front of it" or really anything else less vague than that.
^ 70% of my day
I don't see why not. They travel dimensions, as seen in Team Kirby Clash. Even then, the Extra Dimension technically counts as ""another dimension"" in the sense that it's a different dimension from the one Kirby and co. live in.
If it's the road between universes, then this brings up a shitload of questions about how it even works, but it's most likely not a low 1-C construct if that's the case. If it's inside its own universe/dimension howvever, then there's no need to even ask these questions, and the road loses one of the so-called contradictions it used to have.
You're saying it's neither in the tunnel OR in Another Dimension? It's outside of both?? What do you mean?
Not necessarily. Do you have any idea how massively long and wide the edge of AD would be? Hell, there's more than just one dimension anyway. The odds of the main cast randomly coming accross Halcandra by going there is ridiculously low.
That's what I mean. The extra dimension is definitely a different "dimension" to Kirby's. what am saying is the extra dimension and Another dimension are the same while the blog says that there 2 different locations.
Decent enough reason I guess.
This is the source of the issue at hand. I believe tunnel and Another Dimension are the location while you believe there are to different locations. that's why I wanted to get that out the way before talking about halcandra.
I mean, assuming that halcandra is even there i would presume that they would mention it but good point. But similar to what you said before, halcandra is almost always said to exists in "Different world" instead of directly saying it exists in the Another Dimension
This is my view on things
They have far more in common. Ignoring the Sphere Dommer example, and HiAD:
an upgrade to what?
To Kirby, obviously.
Don't do that, Mario 2-Bs have the highest 2-B AP on the site
Yeah, but Kirbo has a hax advantage
