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Bleach God Tiers for real this time

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Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
come on man are you seriously arguing Yama is going to burn away the entire dimension?
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Yamamoto knows Ichibei and said there wasn’t a stronger shinigami than him when it came to raw power. (Ichibei is Hax) Yhwach was afraid to fight Bankai Yamamoto and stole his Bankai to kill him while Ichibei stomped Yhwach until he activated Almighty. Yamamoto also defeated Yhwach a 1,000 years ago.
 
Zoro21043 said:
about orihime aizen already established how crazy her potential was so her shields would scale but thats it not her ap

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orihimes feat isnt crazy considering this
 
AppleLord said:
Yamamoto knows Ichibei and said there wasn’t a stronger shinigami than him when it came to raw power. (Ichibei is Hax) Yhwach was afraid to fight Bankai Yamamoto and stole his Bankai to kill him while Ichibei stomped Yhwach until he activated Almighty. Yamamoto also defeated Yhwach a 1,000 years ago.
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ichibei doesnt scale to allmighty yhwach so wont matter
also you have to prove past yhwach=present yhwach
 
Zoro21043 said:
ichibei doesnt scale to allmighty yhwach so wont matter
also you have to prove past yhwach=present yhwach
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Ichibei got stomped vía Almighty. I was talking about Base Yhwach. That was easy proven by the legend that states Yhwach will recovered the “strength he once had”. I’ll get the scan for you. Give me a second.

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Yhwach points out Ichigo is stronger than before, so no sternritter he faced really scale to this form.
https://**********.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-673-page-6.html
 
AppleLord said:
Ichibei got stomped vía Almighty. I was talking about Base Yhwach. That was easy proven by the legend that states Yhwach will recovered the “strength he once had”. I’ll get the scan for you. Give me a second.
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ik the scan you dont have to send
they were talking about him regaining the allmighty and we know from haschwalth the allmightys amp depends on the users current power as haschwalths was weaker than yhwachs
 
What’s the consensus on Orihime’s shields?

And is the conversation rn just “should TS Ichigo scale?”
 
Zoro21043 said:
ik the scan you dont have to send
they were talking about him regaining the allmighty and we know from haschwalth the allmightys amp depends on the users current power as haschwalths was weaker than yhwachs
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I already posted the scan. It says he was recovering his “strength” and “this is his majesty’s true power”.

Remember, Ichibei > Base Yhwach (w/ almighty) and Ichibei tough Ichigo wasn’t strong enough to stop Yhwach before Yhwach gave Ichigo the Reiatsu amp to kill the Soul King.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Okay, then how would we quantify “emotional power” put into her shields? Like I said, I can understand the friendship amp, but this should only go so far from that alone.
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By feats and her most recent one is blocking Yhwach’s attacks and shielding him and herself from harm. Your argument is inherently fallacious since it stems from disbelief.
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
I meant her training with her shields. Why would she need to do that if emotional boosting was her only limit.
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I don’t know, you’d have to ask Kubo.
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
It’s not just about anti feats but how the ridiculous boost can bring skepticism off limited showings.
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That’s a fallacy. And you’d have to prove the feat is impossible based on the outlier page.
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
In addition, wouldn’t this imply the durability of her shields are greater than Ichigos durability? He was sliced, diced and ragdolled in that fight.
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Nope since she shield has a hax aspect to it. It’s a physical hax shield. Back in Hueco Mundo arc Ichigo slightly hurt himself touching the shield due to reflection aspect.
 
AppleLord said:
I already posted the scan. It says he was recovering his “strength” and “this is his majesty’s true power”.

Remember, Ichibei > Base Yhwach (w/ almighty) and Ichibei tough Ichigo wasn’t strong enough to stop Yhwach before Yhwach gave Ichigo the Reiatsu amp to kill the Soul King.
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i think the context for that scan matters by his power returning they mean the allmighty as they say if his majesty had opened his eyes the A would go out of control
that doesnt mean his allmighty was the same as 1000 years ago and equal in power
as if it was ichibei wouldve known about it but he didnt
plus yamas bankai as described didnt have any sort of hax back then infact it evolved as time passed which further denies past yhwach=present yhwach
 
Thing is that Orihime doesn't fight often to begin with but to say she does not scale when her shields don't even break? Literally, you can go to every scene that she is utilizing her shields, they do not crack a single time unlike against Yammy, Ulquiorra or Fullbring Armor Ichigo. When someone is much stronger than Orihime her shields are very brittle, yet there are some shown times where she is able to repel someone like how she was able to tank and counter attack Ginjo or when Ichigo tried to get out her shield but got shocked when he tried to come out, the shield was only broken by Kenpachi who was much stronger than Ichigo. Ulquiorra also broke her shield in a similar fashion. Yet when she fights Yhwach her shield does not break ONCE. She even says "Wait, didn't I block him? So how did he still manage to hurt Ichigo?"

With TS Ichigo...He is literally a jobber so just scale him to whatever. It only becomes relevant when he utilizes his Merged Hollow Form, which had actual power behind it. Things only become interesting when Ichigo comes to fight Yhwach the second time, like when he's unable to break his Bankai despite being so easy the first. Reminder Ichigo is known in this Arc for his battle potential, kinda like how Broly kept getting stronger throughout the DBS movie. While Yhwach has his powers along with others on top of that and the fact Ichigo can be repeatedly slam around and keep coming back means that at the very least the Ichigo who fought Yhwach the second time is at the very least stronger than the Ichigo who got bodied for like a entire day or so
 
As for Ichigo another reason I don’t think he should scale is cause of the Hogyoku. Right now it’s accepted he and Dangai are in the same. And mugetsu couldnt even scratch the Hogyoku.

Hogyoku is merely a portion of the SK’s power.

The only Ichigo that should scale is Merged Hollow and up because he is at least as strong as Yhwach. TS leads to issues and it’s ambiguous. All the durability of the SK relies on Kenpachi statement early in the series.

It’s best to keep the SK at unknown like he is right now.
 
Zoro21043 said:
i think the context for that scan matters by his power returning they mean the allmighty as they say if his majesty had opened his eyes the A would go out of control
that doesnt mean his allmighty was the same as 1000 years ago and equal in power
as if it was ichibei wouldve known about it but he didnt
plus yamas bankai as described didnt have any sort of hax back then infact it evolved as time passed which further denies past yhwach=present yhwach
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That would mean his Almighty gives him a power boost since they spoke of his recover strength and the Almighty as two different things in those scans.
 
Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
As for Ichigo another reason I don’t think he should scale is cause of the Hogyoku. Right now it’s accepted he and Dangai are in the same. And mugetsu couldnt even scratch the Hogyoku.

Hogyoku is merely a portion of the SK’s power.
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You are correct pre-Yhwach Reiatsu amp Ichigo doesn’t scale. The new key would scale.
 
AppleLord said:
That would mean his Almighty gives him a power boost since they spoke of his recover strength and the Almighty as two different things in those scans.
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regaining his strength can also mean he regained what he previously had + more
its not limited to just that and he has anti feats due to the things i said about ichibei and yama
 
Zoro21043 said:
regaining his strength can also mean he regained what he previously had + more
its not limited to just that and he has anti feats due to the things i said about ichibei and yama
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Nothing more was added. I already addressed the points you made. The words are formatted in regained the strength he once had. You can search fan translation to see both “strength” and “almighty” are spoke off as separated. Just how he regained his mind and hearth beat.
 
So the Keys for Ichigo could as follows I believe:
Post Royal Palace (Should be stronger than his Fullbring Bankai self, can toy with Sternritters like Candice), First Yhwach Battle, Post Bankai Restoration and CFYOW.
 
I think discussions regarding a more intricate scaling chain could definitely be for another thread. Should probably just stick to the characters that were proposed in the op
 
Dangai_Ichigo said:
So the Keys for Ichigo could as follows I believe:
Post Royal Palace (Should be stronger than his Fullbring Bankai self, can toy with Sternritters like Candice), First Yhwach Battle, Post Bankai Restoration and CFYOW.
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Post-Yhwach reiatsu power up and Post Bankai Restoration are the same since Tsukishima and Orihime restored the powers Yhwach took from another timeline.
 
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