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Record of Ragnarok: Whatever the hell happened to this verse
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Regardless, we need them feats calc'ed
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Nothing Thor has done would limit him and all the statements for the other gods would serve as nothing but hype themselves. Unlike Thor’s statements which refer to actual events and feats in the history of the verse, the others have no such backing. Heimdall saying he can bust worlds doesn’t mean much when you are trying to dismiss the statements he made for Thor and Lu Bu being the strongest. You can’t have your cake and eat it. And if you really want to talk about feats, all the other gods so far are being harmed by Divine Weapons while Thor would break the strongest Divine Weapon with a swing.
Zeus being stated to be omniscient and omnipotent doesn’t work since during the first fight, the narrator even calls the gods supposedly omniscient which shows the statement is wrong. If you want to say that it doesn’t go against the omnipotent part, Zeus got his face kicked in by AdamRuling something doesn’t mean you scale above everything in it nor does it imply you rule by virtue of strength. Even when Zeus threatens everyone to stop fighting in Chapter 34, all of them are still ready to go until Odin makes them **** down instantly.
You completely ignored the actual information in favour of the hype text. It not being from a character only lends more support to its accuracy, not diminish its credibility as the characters have been repeatedly shown as fallible sources of information. Killing a bear refers to him being strong even in his childhood, dying of boredom refers to what happened in his past where he didn’t give a shit about anything and let himself be killed because nothing could challenge him anymore. If you really want to bring up the point of highlighting words, why not mention the fact that harming the strongest among the gods is highlighted.
Long story shorter, you ignore Thor and Lu Bu’s statements because they are “hype” in favour of their feats but proceed to compare it to the completely vacuous and unfounded hype statements of the other gods. You present these as fact but don’t bother to mention that all of the statements that mean something are all contradicted or come from a fallible source. In comparison, the statements I presented are not “contradicted” by anything but your statement which has been proven false by other scans independent of my own. You even bring attention to the headings of my scan rather than the non-hype information all while blatantly ignoring context of said information, and the narrative.
On the Shiva vs Rudra, anyone have any idea how to calc it? My initial thought was that they dispersed the clouds with the shock wave but later on it starts raining so I’m not too sure on that. It does say that the rain was their sweat that flowed so maybe they created the rain clouds? Does keep with Rudra being the tempest, though that is a windy storm rather than rain. Rn all I got is their fight was loud enough to be heard throughout all of India so the decibels should be pretty high.
Zeus being stated to be omniscient and omnipotent doesn’t work since during the first fight, the narrator even calls the gods supposedly omniscient which shows the statement is wrong. If you want to say that it doesn’t go against the omnipotent part, Zeus got his face kicked in by AdamRuling something doesn’t mean you scale above everything in it nor does it imply you rule by virtue of strength. Even when Zeus threatens everyone to stop fighting in Chapter 34, all of them are still ready to go until Odin makes them **** down instantly.
You completely ignored the actual information in favour of the hype text. It not being from a character only lends more support to its accuracy, not diminish its credibility as the characters have been repeatedly shown as fallible sources of information. Killing a bear refers to him being strong even in his childhood, dying of boredom refers to what happened in his past where he didn’t give a shit about anything and let himself be killed because nothing could challenge him anymore. If you really want to bring up the point of highlighting words, why not mention the fact that harming the strongest among the gods is highlighted.
Long story shorter, you ignore Thor and Lu Bu’s statements because they are “hype” in favour of their feats but proceed to compare it to the completely vacuous and unfounded hype statements of the other gods. You present these as fact but don’t bother to mention that all of the statements that mean something are all contradicted or come from a fallible source. In comparison, the statements I presented are not “contradicted” by anything but your statement which has been proven false by other scans independent of my own. You even bring attention to the headings of my scan rather than the non-hype information all while blatantly ignoring context of said information, and the narrative.
On the Shiva vs Rudra, anyone have any idea how to calc it? My initial thought was that they dispersed the clouds with the shock wave but later on it starts raining so I’m not too sure on that. It does say that the rain was their sweat that flowed so maybe they created the rain clouds? Does keep with Rudra being the tempest, though that is a windy storm rather than rain. Rn all I got is their fight was loud enough to be heard throughout all of India so the decibels should be pretty high.
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The rain thing happened after the initial clash, but the shockwaves themselves didn't disperse clouds IIRC
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None of the humans scale to Adam by the way, he's clearly special.
Lu Bu is probably the actual strongest human who ever lived but they do make a note that even he stands no chance against the gods without the Volund.
Lu Bu is probably the actual strongest human who ever lived but they do make a note that even he stands no chance against the gods without the Volund.
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https://************.com/chapter/vy918232/chapter_37
^This is the chapter where the clash happens
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I was referring to these clouds. They are shown prior to the fight but when we see Svarga after the headbutt, they are no longer there. Guess the rain clouds don’t matter since they were higher than Shiva and Rudra while these were below.
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I feel like if we took Hercules’s statement into account then most of them should be high 7-B or something like that
Most of this looks good but I’ve seen an heard some universal feats for Zeus so maybe we should wait a little longer for his and Adam’s profiles, also I don’t think we should use area’s statement about herc having “Zeus’s strength” when it was contradicted in the same chapter also if pre voulnd lu bu is supposed to be weaker then post volund lu bu then why is Thor rated as the same as pre volund lu bu ?
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Link isn’t working dude
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Thor is "7-B+, far higher" with Awakening while Lu Bu is "7-B+, higher" with Volund what are you talking about?
How is Heracles having similar strength to Zeus contradicted in the same chapter? Is it because Heracles and Ares were stopped in their clash by Zeus himself? I don't think that's a good argument since that happened after Heracles and Ares had exhausted themselves after beating the f out of each other (Heracles had also fought all of Ares' legions and the God of War himself).
In fact, Zeus himself noted Heracles to possess "overwhelming strength" later on which indicates Heracles is indeed very powerful shouldn't be far at all from other deities.
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Oh you're right then, I guess they dispersed the clouds with their clash and then generated the storm as the fight went on. It's a solid 7-B feat for both Rudra and Shiva.
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I’m talking about how they are rated as the same pre aweking and pre volund
Fair enough
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Also can anyone possibly calc this feat for Indra
Because this feels like this could be a really good feat to scale shiva to
Because this feels like this could be a really good feat to scale shiva to
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Ooooh I see now, sorry I hadn't noticed, yeah a mistake on my part
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I think most of us can agree that most of the gods(minus maybe Zeus and Thor maybe) are 7-B, though I’d still like to go over Hercules statement about mortal weapons not being able to scratch the body of a god so that might push them all a little higher in the 7-B tier
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Ok I think we should bump everyone up to high 7-B or high 7-B+ or something like that. The reason for this would be because of Hercules’s statement
Which already puts them at 7-B+, the reason why I think they should be high 7-B is because they are generally shown to be waayyy above average gods seeing as Thor casually slaughtered all of the Frost giants (which were killing and eating and overwhelming the gods), Hercules outright One shotted a god, Shiva and Rudra went on an a quest to slap all the Indian gods and so forth and so on. Plus there is also the fact that Hercules and Poseidon can destroy divine weapons, which should scale to lu bu’s weapon atleast, which was capable of withstanding blows from pre awakened Thor. So they have all shown to be decently above 7-B+ objects and opponents.
Which already puts them at 7-B+, the reason why I think they should be high 7-B is because they are generally shown to be waayyy above average gods seeing as Thor casually slaughtered all of the Frost giants (which were killing and eating and overwhelming the gods), Hercules outright One shotted a god, Shiva and Rudra went on an a quest to slap all the Indian gods and so forth and so on. Plus there is also the fact that Hercules and Poseidon can destroy divine weapons, which should scale to lu bu’s weapon atleast, which was capable of withstanding blows from pre awakened Thor. So they have all shown to be decently above 7-B+ objects and opponents.
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I think we've settled on 7-B for the characters (I think) and it's pretty obvious that Adam and Zeus don't have MFTL+ speed but just FTL. I still very much disagree with the Infinite speed from "The Fist That Surpassed Time" as it's obviously Time Stop, while the abilities section has barely even been touched upon.
I think you should tag SomebodyData and Jvando, cuz they're the other supporting staff members that haven't given input here. But you can call other supporters listed on the verse page too.
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On the time stop/infinite speed part, I think we should give Adam infinite perception or a really limited resistance to time stop that only applies to his Eyes of the Lord since we see 3 panels of his colors being inverted like the rest of the world sans Zeus until he snaps Zeus’ neck.
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I say is speed
Since the start of the fight all it has been is physical attacks and the context of it was the same
Since the start of the fight all it has been is physical attacks and the context of it was the same
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^^^^^^^^^look, i'm not saying that Adam pulled a jojo, but he definitelly pulled a JoJo and gained time stop resistance by coping Zeus' ability
also, that's very much not a name fallacy, as titles have meaning in this setting as see by Poisedon being the god of the sea and thus having control over water ad Lokie eig the god of decief and thus having shapeshifting, furthermore the fact the narration says the ability manipulates time further hammers in the point
Lastly, just look at this
This is clearly the effects of time being stopped, as you can see things being gradually ingulfed by it and stopped in place
and as Zeus falls the time stop is undone and everything gradually turns back to normal
If it was infinite speed the neither of those things would have happened
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^^^^
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The time punch can’t be a speed thing if you are scaling Adamas to it since everyone could see Adam vs Adamas wailing on each other while the time punch wasn’t seen by anyone besides Adam and Zeus.
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Yes, the speed would only scale to zeus using the attack and adam in reaction speed only (attack speed also but is when only using it, otherwise his speed is not infinite)
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I only say that the infinite speed is for when using that attack and in Adam's case it would include reaction
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Ur point is basically "heimdall says it controls time so it is time stop"
Which is ur interpretation
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While my point is
Since the start of the fight the author has been very consistent with the times just to show how fast both of them are and it applies to zeus special punch as it goes with the narrative
Since the start of the fight the author has been very consistent with the times just to show how fast both of them are and it applies to zeus special punch as it goes with the narrative
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Rather than speed, the numbers are the time frame the attacks occur in. A move from the personification of time, described to exert control over time, called a punch beyond time, inverts the colors of everything which is a common way to show time has stopped, the time frame is infinitely recurring 0s meaning time isn’t progressing, Eyes of the Lord copies any techniques they see including those of the gods, this even extends to things like physiology so it clearly isn’t just limited to martial art techniques etc.
The fact that we see Adam is subject to the same color inversion like everything else, he clearly isn’t as fast as Zeus using the punch of it actually is speed but Adam then proceeds to counter before Zeus reaches him despite not scaling in speed. You can’t even argue Adam copies stats since that isn’t what his hax is.
The fact that we see Adam is subject to the same color inversion like everything else, he clearly isn’t as fast as Zeus using the punch of it actually is speed but Adam then proceeds to counter before Zeus reaches him despite not scaling in speed. You can’t even argue Adam copies stats since that isn’t what his hax is.
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Not much to say about the speed issue that I haven't mentioned already; beyond the power itself, it would scale only to Adam's passive perception (although not combat speed unless he copy the tech). Most say that, despite being a common trope, that the environment turn negative colored due time stop is not a rule (not that it couldn't be in this case).
Alternatively, Zeus could use Time Manipulation, but instead of using it on everything else, he could use it to smp himself (although I find this unlikely, but it would have the same effect that conventional speed amp). And If I haven't say it before, I disagree with the speed being infinite, instead being performe in a extremely small timeframe.
... Hm, maybe I had a considerable amount of stuff to say at the end.
Alternatively, Zeus could use Time Manipulation, but instead of using it on everything else, he could use it to smp himself (although I find this unlikely, but it would have the same effect that conventional speed amp). And If I haven't say it before, I disagree with the speed being infinite, instead being performe in a extremely small timeframe.
... Hm, maybe I had a considerable amount of stuff to say at the end.
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Since we’re discussing speed now, I think Poseidon and kojiro should probably be mftl since ares described his speed as “blinding” and he was only using a little bit of his power at the time
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Going by what ultima said it would count as infinite speed
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