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I feel like if we took Hercules’s statement into account then most of them should be high 7-B or something like thatThe most logical tierings would be:
Thor: 7-B+, far higher with Awakening
Lu Bu: 7-B+, higher with Volund
Zeus: at least 7-B+ likely far higher with Adamas Form
Adam: Varies. at least 7-B+ likely far higher with Eyes of the Lord
Poseidon: at least 7-B+ possibly higher
Kojiro Sasaki: 7-B+ possibly higher
Jack The Ripper: likely 7-B+
Heracles: 7-B+, higher with Labours
Shiva: at least 7-B+
Raiden: at least 7-B+, far higher with Forbidden Moves
Essentially, Lu Bu and Thor were equal until Thor awakened his hammer with which he overwhelmed Lu Bu's strongest Sky Eater.
Zeus > Shiva who is "the strongest God of destruction under the heaven's by a long shot" and who affected all of India with his battle at the top with Rudra.
Adam was equal to Zeus with his Eyes of The Lord.
Poseidon is one of the top tier Gods according to Brunihlde, held in immense regards by Zeus himself and regarded as Zeus - Enalios (The equivalent of Zeus from the Seas) so he should be at least comparable to Zeus in base.
Kojiro battled and eventually surpassed Poseidon during their match, slaying him.
Heracles (Pre Ragnarok) was noted by Ares to have "the strength of Zeus" upon drinking the Ambrosia, with his labours he can easily shatter divine weapons "as if they're like paper".
Jack should get a "Likely 7-B+" for surviving hits from Hercules and somewhat matching him.
Shiva's "at least 7-B+" for being called "the strongest God of destruction under the heavens by a long shot" (superior to Indra who made a massive Thunderstorms during his fight with him and Rudra) creating massive shockwaves from the Top of India in his clash with Rudra and subsequently generating a storm during their battle from the top of the highest mountain.
Raiden is "at least 7-B+, far higher with Forbidden moves" since he's shown to be equal with Shiva while still holding back.
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The "far higher" comes from being able to concentrate all of his power into one blow and releasing of his strength at once, this technique allowed him to essentially overwhelm Shiva's defense and blow off his arms.
Link isn’t working dudeI was referring to these clouds. They are shown prior to the fight but when we see Svarga after the headbutt, they are no longer there. Guess the rain clouds don’t matter since they were higher than Shiva and Rudra while these were below.
I feel like if we took Hercules’s statement into account then most of them should be high 7-B or something like that
Most of this looks good but I’ve seen an heard some universal feats for Zeus so maybe we should wait a little longer for his and Adam’s profiles, also I don’t think we should use area’s statement about herc having “Zeus’s strength” when it was contradicted in the same chapter also if pre voulnd lu bu is supposed to be weaker then post volund lu bu then why is Thor rated as the same as pre volund lu bu ?
Oh you're right then, I guess they dispersed the clouds with their clash and then generated the storm as the fight went on. It's a solid 7-B feat for both Rudra and Shiva.What about this one? Clouds in the first pic below the peak, when we next see the mountain there is the shockwave and after that they are gone.
I’m talking about how they are rated as the same pre aweking and pre volundThor is "7-B+, far higher" with Awakening while Lu Bu is "7-B+, higher" with Volund what are you talking about?
How is Heracles having similar strength to Zeus contradicted in the same chapter? Is it because Heracles and Ares were stopped in their clash by Zeus himself? I don't think that's a good argument since that happened after Heracles and Ares had exhausted themselves after beating the f out of each other (Heracles had also fought all of Ares' legions and the God of War himself).
In fact, Zeus himself noted Heracles to possess "overwhelming strength" later on which indicates Heracles is indeed very powerful shouldn't be far at all from other deities.
Ooooh I see now, sorry I hadn't noticed, yeah a mistake on my partI’m talking about how they are rated as the same pre aweking and pre volund
Fair enough
I think most of us can agree that most of the gods(minus maybe Zeus and Thor maybe) are 7-B, though I’d still like to go over Hercules statement about mortal weapons not being able to scratch the body of a god so that might push them all a little higher in the 7-B tierSo have you reached any consensus and conclusions here yet?
I think we've settled on 7-B for the characters (I think) and it's pretty obvious that Adam and Zeus don't have MFTL+ speed but just FTL. I still very much disagree with the Infinite speed from "The Fist That Surpassed Time" as it's obviously Time Stop, while the abilities section has barely even been touched upon.What is left to decide here, and are there some staff members listed as interested in the series that I should send notifications to?
^^^^^^^^^look, i'm not saying that Adam pulled a jojo, but he definitelly pulled a JoJo and gained time stop resistance by coping Zeus' ability
also, that's very much not a name fallacy, as titles have meaning in this setting as see by Poisedon being the god of the sea and thus having control over water ad Lokie eig the god of decief and thus having shapeshifting, furthermore the fact the narration says the ability manipulates time further hammers in the point
Lastly, just look at this
This is clearly the effects of time being stopped, as you can see things being gradually ingulfed by it and stopped in place
and as Zeus falls the time stop is undone and everything gradually turns back to normal
If it was infinite speed the neither of those things would have happened
^^^^Zeus Speed:
Basically, Zeus performs punches at various speeds, testing Adam to see how strong he is, starting from 0.01 seconds, to 0.001-> 0.00001 and so until he performs a punch faster than 1e-20 seconds.
I agree with Zeus' speed not scaling to the time punch, the only two people who scale to it are Zeus (While performing the move and in Adamas mode) and Adam himself. Base Zeus himself scales to ftl, because of him own FTL feat and for blitzing Ares as a old mad who could see the feat
-Adamas mode because Adam casually dodged the move point blank, while Adamas made his get serious, he struggled to avoid all of them and the first Adamas punch scratched Adam (First time Adam was touched).
The reason for possibly Infinite is because the narrative implies the speed to be beyond time.
Yes, the speed would only scale to zeus using the attack and adam in reaction speed only (attack speed also but is when only using it, otherwise his speed is not infinite)It only scales to itself and Adam’s eyes?
I only say that the infinite speed is for when using that attack and in Adam's case it would include reactionThe time punch can’t be a speed thing if you are scaling Adamas to it since everyone could see Adam vs Adamas wailing on each other while the time punch wasn’t seen by anyone besides Adam and Zeus.
Ur point is basically "heimdall says it controls time so it is time stop"
Going by what ultima said it would count as infinite speedNot much to say about the speed issue that I haven't mentioned already; beyond the power itself, it would scale only to Adam's passive perception (although not combat speed unless he copy the tech). Most say that, despite being a common trope, that the environment turn negative colored due time stop is not a rule (not that it couldn't be in this case).
Alternatively, Zeus could use Time Manipulation, but instead of using it on everything else, he could use it to smp himself (although I find this unlikely, but it would have the same effect that conventional speed amp). And If I haven't say it before, I disagree with the speed being infinite, instead being performe in a extremely small timeframe.
... Hm, maybe I had a considerable amount of stuff to say at the end.