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Also, I need Dargoo to say how strong is the Allomancy in terms of pulling/pushing, to determine if she can disarm her opponents despite their LF, maybe helped by Geralt who apparently starts doing the telekinetic wave.
Vin can casually toss around building-sized chunks of steel in this state, you'll need one hell of a grip strength to keep anything in your hands from something like that.

That and you're not factoring in that basically zero of the opposing team's members would expect something like that, so it's not like they're gripping their weapons like their lives depend on it. Odds are stuff like swords/weapons are gone at the start of the fight.

Both Rabbit and Vin are waiting on calcs that would presumably upgrade them, though, so IDK if I should just DQ them here and have it default to Geralt/Nova vs. Kenshi/Scorpion.
 
What calc is Rabbit waiting on? Im not aware of any revision that he is going through.
 
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I was writing a reply , but I guess it's better to wait and know if Playboy and Iron Woman are getting kicked out too.
 
If we are assuming it is just Kenshi and Scorpion VS Nova and Geralt, the. Nova gets easily defeated for sure due to less abilities, but the true boss lies with Geralt.
 
What about Vin, then? Even if we keep her in a pre-CRT state, how do we consider the strength of her Allomancy? Still "several building" etc...?
 
As I said, I know Nova would be defeated quite easily, but assuming its just Kenshi and Scorpion VS Geralt, how skilled is Geralt?
 
Geralt has faced with Imlerith, Wild Hunts commander who has been in thousands of battles and Geralt isn't only capable of fighting the commander but also the army, The Navigator, and even the King of Wild Hunt and these guys are capable of easily defeating fully armored and trained Nilfgaardian soldiers which are amongst the most skilled soldiers in the continent and Geralt even notes how Nilfgaardian empire stands no chance against the wild hunt

And Geralt is straight out just stated to be only matched by few in skill
 
There are many skill feats for Geralt but it's hard to state them all at once. Most you can find on his profile under intelligence section.
 
Kenshi turned into a zombie by Rabbit.

I still think that it's very questionable to use Kenshi's telekinesis as a broken wincon when it has never been so in the story.
 
I like how we are assuming that Kenshi is going to let Rabbit zombify him, sounds like a huge conflict of interest to someone who wants to, you know, win and live.
 
There's all that thing about Rabbit instantly killing him without Kenshi being able to react.

Btw, we don't even have established yet if Vin is still in the match, and if yes what strength her power should have
 
There's all that thing about Rabbit instantly killing him without Kenshi being able to react.
May just have to kill Scorpion too seeing as Kenshi and him at least have a connection, it would be rather strange to let his friend get killed by someone he hardly knows.

I'm sorry but this team is incredibly self-destructive.
 
The argument is that no one of the two apparently is able to react to this, I don't know why he doesn't target Scorpion, though.
 
The argument is that no one of the two apparently is able to react to this, I don't know why he doesn't target Scorpion, though.
So we are just assuming that these characters with enhanced senses and ESP in a speed equal setting will be unable to respond to Rabbit before he successfully murders one of them? And the other is just supposed to ignore this despite the two being friends?

These characters aren't so vastly out of character to allow this, the team will kill itself before the others have to do anything.
 
Deciding that since calcs for Vin/Rabbit aren't coming in anytime soon both can stay in this round as they are on their profiles.

So this is still Rabbit/Kenshi/Scorpion vs. Nova/Vin/Geralt.
 
So we are just assuming that these characters with enhanced senses and ESP in a speed equal setting will be unable to respond to Rabbit before he successfully murders one of them? And the other is just supposed to ignore this despite the two being friends?

These characters aren't so vastly out of character to allow this, the team will kill itself before the others have to do anything.
Yes because Rabbit has don the same to a person with identical senses and speed
 
Yes because Rabbit has don the same to a person with identical senses and speed
So Rabbit kills Kenshi, then Scorpion has to BFR Rabbit and kill Kenshi after that. (Easily done granted they are weak to fire), then stand alone against 3 people.

Sounds counter-productive.
 
Not identical senses, detecting souls =/= detecting vibrations in the ground.

Not identical speed, Snake has no speed feats.
 
Not identical senses, detecting souls =/= detecting vibrations in the ground.
Not sure if targeting me, but Kenshi has heightened hearing and can see despite blindness, his ESP also picks up on presences, and should be going off due to Rabbit's Aura.

Scorpion's ES also works off sensing presences, so he's fine in that department as well.
 
I was responding to Weekly, who said that Rabbit had killed someone with identical senses and speed to Kenshi.

I clarified that Rabbit hadn't. They'd killed someone who could detect vibrations in the ground and who had Unknown speed. Meaning that even if Rabbit wasn't detected by Snake, he would still be detected by Kenshi/Scorpion.
 
Snake has a calc in the works that puts him at the same speed as Rabbit

And no, he wouldnt be detcte by Kenshi as lore-wise his senses work identically to Snake's and Boar's who were both unable to sense him
 
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