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Vytal Festival Bracket, Round 1, Match 3

Agnaa said:
Oh come on, the story was far from being about that. Rabbit's one of twelve characters in a battle royale. The stuff you're describing is, at best, a minor plot point in an entire novel.
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I wouldnt exactly call being the cause of the deaths of half the people in the war, being the second last person to die, nearly killing everyone, and from Rat's precog ability being completely willing to use his wish if he won the war to kill everyone on earth to turn them into zombie slaves a minor plot point
 
"He turns his allies into zombies" I would say is a minor point, considering the things you mentioned are, in order:
  • He's really strong and good at killing people.
  • He's really strong and good at not being killed.
  • He wants to kill everyone on Earth.
 
Its less 'he wants to turn his allies into zombies' and more 'he wants to turn everyone into zombies'. The only reason he didnt immediately kill Rat was because Rat knew to be friendly towards him as he had seen through his precog that Rabbit would have killed him without a second thought if he wasnt. In laymans terms, 'friend' and 'ally' are two different things to rabbit, to rabbit just because someone agrees to work with him does not man they are his frind therefore he will kill them to make them his friend
 
I don't understand your logic for Rabbit not killing Rat there. Or more, I don't understand how you combine that with "Rabbit always kills his allies."

Are you trying to say that if someone's friendly with Rabbit, he won't immediately kill them?
 
Pretty much yeah, like i said in Rabbit's eyes 'ally' does not automatically mean 'friend'. I cant really get the novel right now as its 5:30 am and i dont want to wake my family up so here are the manga scans
 
Yeah that seems like a fair take to me, they'd need to actually make friendly gestures to not get rekt. I'd rather people debate from that than "Rabbit just automatically kills everyone no matter what".
 
I mean how many people in this bracket are gonna see rabbit murdering his teammates and using their zombified corpses to kill people and think 'huh, i should try to befriend this guy'
 
idk what the stipulations are for friendship level before the battle begins. Perhaps the OP would like to enlighten us?
 
Agnaa said:
idk what the stipulations are for friendship level before the battle begins. Perhaps the OP would like to enlighten us?
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The wording is "motivated to work alongside their teammates" - this is intentionally vague since every character would have something different that would motivate them to work alongside people that might otherwise be incompatible with them.

I sort of made this rule so that more team combinations were possible and that the opposing team wouldn't argue backstabbing as a wincon for them, although I didn't anticipate that the team running the character would argue backstabbing as a wincon.

Essentially, "whatever would motivate Rabbit into working with Kenshi and Scorpion"; if this involves seeing them as friends, I suppose that counts.
 
The main question now is if Rabbit kills/tries to kill and zombifies Kenshi. Do we have a verdict on the matter?
 
Yes, he would, him killing and zombifying kenshi falls under both 'in character' and 'working together' for rabbit
 
Ok, then. How fast is the process of zombification? Does Kenshi have to reattach his head? I mean, the other team won't stand still while all of that happens.
For how I picture the scene, Scorpion is more likely to engage Geralt by throwing his chained kunai at him.
Nova likely charges or shoots at Rabbit or Scorpion, seeing them as the most intimidating guys. Maybe only Rabbit, relying on Vin's ability to control metals, which is very useful against a samurai and a ninja, both with swords in plain sight.
According to Geralt's profile, he starts by blasting the opponents with Aard, omnidirectional is friendly fire isn't active. I can also see Geralt trying to use his anti-magic bomb, suspecting of the enemies like magic users, given their powers, but the bombs wouldn't work, since no one uses magic on the other team.
A zombified and bloodlusted Kenshi would either start by telekinetically firing his katana or using his telekinesis to perform a fatality-like move, even though he might need concentration and the opponent standing still, but it's not sure.
 
Yes, he would, him killing and zombifying kenshi falls under both 'in character' and 'working together' for rabbit

I don't know about that, he doesn't just do that to his friends, he does that to people who aren't his friends to make them his friends.

How fast is the process of zombification?

Virtually instant iirc.

Does Kenshi have to reattach his head?

Nope.
 
@Agnaa I mean the entire reason he wanted to join monkey's team at the beginning of the war was so he could kill everyone and make them his friends even though they wanted to work with him, and from my knowledge of kenshi and especially scorpion they arent exactly the 'be friends with everyone' types
 
How likely is for them to be hit first by the opponent ,due to them being occupied in "kill and resurrect", even if it's fast?
I mean, it doesn't determine the victory, but is still a factor.

How strong is Vin's allomancy in terms of pull? I mean, even in the seconds before the battle she will see that all of her opponents are equipped with metal weapons, with Scorpion being even covered in it, so she might try to disarm them with her instant pseudo telekinesis. Can it be countered by higher lifting strength?
Brass also seems a very useful power in this battle, if she can affect all of three.
 
Regarding Vin like I said before it's currently being discussed that she is being upgraded to at least low 7-C
 
I mean the entire reason he wanted to join monkey's team at the beginning of the war was so he could kill everyone and make them his friends even though they wanted to work with him

Oh yeah, that happened. True, true.

and from my knowledge of kenshi and especially scorpion they arent exactly the 'be friends with everyone' types

Yeah fair, you're probably right about Rabbit going for the instakill then.

How likely is for them to be hit first by the opponent ,due to them being occupied in "kill and resurrect", even if it's fast?

With the simple distance gap between them, probably unlikely for that to happen before Rabbit gets a kill off.

Also, if he knows that he'll get killed by an attack, he can bite off his own tongue, turning himself into a corpse he can control.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Regarding Vin like I said before it's currently being discussed that she is being upgraded to at least low 7-C
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Well, in this case we need either to stop again and kick her out, making the match a 2v3, or ignore the CRT are use her as she is now before the revision
 
Honestly I’ll vote for Weekly’s team.I can’t see my team winning if another teammate is getting removed.Geralt could use Axii,but that’s not guaranteed.Nova is useless and whoever nominated him I hope your pizza is cold.
 
Well, Nova seems still a capable and slight versatile warrior .
I also just read of his connection with the Worldmind, it may be useful too, and Nova has the mobility advantage, being the only one who can fly.
And Vin's empathic and instant metal telekinesis can be very useful against opponents that fight with blades and metal weapons.
 
Flying isn't really helpful against a dude who can use TK to push your Ribcage through you back to hang you like a Puppet.
 
Geralt also seems the most skilled of all in reflexes, combat and related stuff. And if he starts with wide range telekinetic push while Vin exerts her own specific-telekinesis, the other team could be taken by surprise and disarmed.
 
Also, if they have Prior Knowledge on their Teammates wouldn't Kenshi and Hanzo know that Rabbit tries to murder people he works with to make them Zombie Slaves? Pretty sure that would give them some kind of Heads up about that happening to them.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Flying isn't really helpful against a dude who can use TK to push your Ribcage through you back to hang you like a Puppet.
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I know, but Kenshi's telekinesis isn't his main weapon. Ribcage and skeleton removal are a fatality and a brutality, both requires the enemy to be weakened or almost unconscious, while Kenshi concentrates to perform it.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Also, if they have Prior Knowledge on their Teammates wouldn't Kenshi and Hanzo know that Rabbit tries to murder people he works with to make them Zombie Slaves? Pretty sure that would give them some kind of Heads up about that happening to them.
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I think it's limited to know their powers and not their entire personality, but I may be wrong
 
SamanPatou said:
I know, but Kenshi's telekinesis isn't his main weapon. Ribcage and skeleton removal are a fatality and a brutality, both requires the enemy to be weakened or almost unconscious, while Kenshi concentrates to perform it.
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Okay but that's living kenshi, who has shown the ability to use his TK to fling his opponents around and force his sword through their skull with TK. Zombie kenshi would 100% be spamming tk
 
SamanPatou said:
I know, but Kenshi's telekinesis isn't his main weapon. Ribcage and skeleton removal are a fatality and a brutality, both requires the enemy to be weakened or almost unconscious, while Kenshi concentrates to perform it.
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Also, the scene used a justification for his "Class K due to restraining Scorpion" comes from a scene where Scorpion wasn't even trying to be hostile, in the name of their friendship. Also, once he lost his sword, Scorpion defined him as "vulnerable" and Scorpion knows Kenshi very well at that point.
All of this to say that Kenshi, even if bloodlusted, isn't a character that easily ragdolls and crushes you.
His telekinesis is useful to swing the sword and toss enemies, but it is far from being op. And the most gruesome things are made with concentration on an already defeated opponent (ribcage fatality) or a near knocked out foe (skeleton pushing).
He even use his sword as a tool to better control his telekinesis, and without it he has to touch his head with the other hand while concentrating to perform the fatality.
 
The x-Ray where he lifts his opponent with TK and forces his sword through their skull also with TK kinda says otherwise
 
I'm not doubting it, he can definitely catch, lift and toss/stab you, but it's a whole different from oenshotting you by immediately expelling your organs and everything.
I mean, if it was so op he wouldn't be considered vulnerable without the sword, wouldn't need concentration and a semi-dead opponent to perform the fatalities and would have used it in all the life-at-stake situations that occurred in the series.
 
That's sure, but it is a move done by catching the opponent at the right moment in the midst of combat, it doesn't even have that much of a range.
All of this to say that, even if bloodusted and willing to spam his telekinesis, Kenshi isn't Mewtwo. He needs the blade to fight well and better use his mind powers.
Also, the three most lethal things he does are performed on a very weakened opponent (skeleton), a knocked out one (ribcage) and another that has to be close and be caught off guard (face stabbing).
And this isn't a vote for the other team, I just want to make sure that this doesn't become "Kenshi crushes everyone into fleshy goo GG"

Also, I need Dargoo to say how strong is the Allomancy in terms of pulling/pushing, to determine if she can disarm her opponents despite their LF, maybe helped by Geralt who apparently starts doing the telekinetic wave.
And how likely, effectice and what range has her emphatic, because that also seems very useful to make the opponents open at potentially lethal attacks.
 
As for the Allomancy, it crushed a building several times larger than a skyscraper into rubble, hence why she is being upgraded
 
WeeklyBattles said:
The x-ray im talking about has him use TK at a distance without his sword
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Yes, I was referring to that, but it doesn't change my point.
It doesn't have great range anyway and Kenshi never displayed to can use his telekinesis on far opponents.
Also, Kenshi has both to have the enemy close and to catch it. My point is that he can definitely do things, but he's not doing psychic stuff like Tatsumaki or else, his telekinesis has never been extremely strong, especially without the sword and against healthy opponents. It still can definitely kill a weakened foe and be a very useful tool.
I mean, there is Ermac in the same series, who has a way better telekinesis, with more options, wider ranger, can perform more things with it and has shown to affect comparable healty opponents, like when he tore Jax's arm apart. Kenshi is an another league, even him spamming it doesn't close the match.

Anyway, if Vin has a sort of compromise, like a lower feat I think we can use her, otherwise I' afraid she should be disqualified for absence of suitable informations on what she can do.
Ignoring the power wouldn't be fair.
 
I agree with you on that, I'm not saying it is useless, I mean that it wouldn't blow up from inside a Nova who's flying around or generally kill the opponents immediately. He can lift, slam and push his opponents, as well as control the blade, I just want to make sure that his team doesn't get the victory for the sole reason of Kenshi spamming a telekinesis that isn't something comparable to other users of the ability, even in his own verse.
 
Two of the three members of team WTT can teleport so Nova flying around isnt really that big of an issue

Im confused by what you mean by 'comparable to other users of the ability'. Telekinesis is still a massive advantag here and even in-verse he has canonically killd people comparable to himself using it as well as consistently showing to be able to cause severe bodily harm with his tlekinetic attacks against comparable opponnts
 
The flight was an example, but I get it.
I meant that his telekinesis isn't something on the level of Ermac, which can use it in better ways.
And I agree that is an advantage and can be harmful.
Him lifting people and stabbing them with his flying sword is something that can happen, but I don't want the reasons for the victory being "Kenshi points at you and you blow up regardless of everything", because Kenshi never demonstrated that kind of ability.
Accounting his telekinesis as a tool to better fight mid ranged opponents, help his teammates and swing the sword is definitely something I accept as an advantage.q
 
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