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So....this is our new layout, huh? Anyway, good day everyone. Dino Ranger Black here. I've been thinking just recently about this topic that user named Peach chan have made about how odd and incoherent Mario's page is, suggesting of making separate tiers by the games he appeared due to his variable statistics, as well as, questionable reasons for their stats as well. The main issue seems to stem from gaps between the feats Mario achieved. Consistency and continuity in the series is a major issue as well, which many believe not to be there. However, I actually do believe we have a consistent feat to use to scale Mario. In at least 4 of his 3D games:
SM64 and
the DS versio
SMG1
SMG2 and
3D World via Green Stars,
Mario have fought bosses and Bowser, who are powered up by Power Stars, making this a realiable feat to scale him from.
What are the statistics of the Power Stars?
In Super Mario 64, Power Stars have shown to be At least Star level by Bowser using them, to create realms which shown to contain at least star in them. In fact, Wiggler (more on him later), who lives in Tiny Huge Island (One of the worlds Bowser made), noted that he doesn't need the Power Star anymore since he sees the stars at night after beating him. This means these realms are large enough to contain mutiple stars. This is back-up in a later 3D game, Super Mario Galaxy, viastatement by Rosalina, who has an extensive knowledge of the cosmos. According to her, lumas can turn into power stars, which can turn into planets, stars, and entire galaxies. Lastly, we have some calculations for the Power Stars due to being capable into turning in black holes. Three calculations where made in this blog: One made by The real cal howard, Lina Shields, and Executor N0 each. While they all have different results, they all are somewhere around Tier 4, with two out of three of them being around Star level. All this information constantly have the Power Stars somewhere around Tier 4 with Star-related feats being prominent, so the most appropriate rating would be At least Star level. We will include At least, due to the fact they can also form galaxies and being able to create a realm with mutiple stars in the background.
Are bosses really amped up by Power Stars?
They are indeed. In SM64, Bowser gave his minions Power Stars. He threatens Mario to return the Power Stars he managed to retrieved from the enemies he defeated since they need them and stated that he gave them power via the Power Stars, noting it's fading away but not being over yet if the player didn't obtain all of the Power Stars. Another example is Wiggler in SM64. He noted that ever since he held a Power Star, he felt strange. This is obviously the Power Star's doing, which made him drastically bigger and alot more powerful but couldn't seem to handle it's power. Finally, in SMG, Bowser Jr also instructed Megaleg to attack Mario with the power of the Grand Star. With this being said, the bosses are indeed empowered by these celestial artifacts.
Green Stars are Power Stars?
Correct. Different colored Power Stars debuted in Super Mario Galaxy (Or Super Mario 64, if you want to count the start screen). They are treated same as Yellow Power Stars, being added to the over all counter in the game and it's sequel. Infact, Red Power Stars also exists. There's no indication about the difference in power in any of them either. It's just purely for aesthetics.
What about Mario's higher end feats?
We can simply label them with a Possibly rating, using his most notable high end feat. Whether it's his battle against Grand Star powered Bowser or other.
With this knowledge, it would be more neat, organised, and more importantly, consistent if we include a, At least Star level rating for Mario (And everyone else who scales from him) based on these facts. Not only we can finally remove the confusing variable tier, it will make the page alot more logical and so much easier to scale possible future characters in the franchise.
Edit: Forget about what I said about the Possibly rating. We believe it would be better to exclude it since other characters such as Sonic and Kirby are also facing a similar situation. Thus the rating should be: At least Large Star level+ (Capable of defeating people empowered by the Power Stars, which can create realms that contain at least a star and vast space around it. Along with producing this level of power and being stated by Rosalina to be comparable to the Lumas, who can transform into actual stars), likely Multi-Solar System level (Power Stars create realms large enough to contain multiple stars and capable of fighting Antasma, even when amped by Dreamy Luigi.)
SM64 and
the DS versio
SMG1
SMG2 and
3D World via Green Stars,
Mario have fought bosses and Bowser, who are powered up by Power Stars, making this a realiable feat to scale him from.
What are the statistics of the Power Stars?
In Super Mario 64, Power Stars have shown to be At least Star level by Bowser using them, to create realms which shown to contain at least star in them. In fact, Wiggler (more on him later), who lives in Tiny Huge Island (One of the worlds Bowser made), noted that he doesn't need the Power Star anymore since he sees the stars at night after beating him. This means these realms are large enough to contain mutiple stars. This is back-up in a later 3D game, Super Mario Galaxy, viastatement by Rosalina, who has an extensive knowledge of the cosmos. According to her, lumas can turn into power stars, which can turn into planets, stars, and entire galaxies. Lastly, we have some calculations for the Power Stars due to being capable into turning in black holes. Three calculations where made in this blog: One made by The real cal howard, Lina Shields, and Executor N0 each. While they all have different results, they all are somewhere around Tier 4, with two out of three of them being around Star level. All this information constantly have the Power Stars somewhere around Tier 4 with Star-related feats being prominent, so the most appropriate rating would be At least Star level. We will include At least, due to the fact they can also form galaxies and being able to create a realm with mutiple stars in the background.
Are bosses really amped up by Power Stars?
They are indeed. In SM64, Bowser gave his minions Power Stars. He threatens Mario to return the Power Stars he managed to retrieved from the enemies he defeated since they need them and stated that he gave them power via the Power Stars, noting it's fading away but not being over yet if the player didn't obtain all of the Power Stars. Another example is Wiggler in SM64. He noted that ever since he held a Power Star, he felt strange. This is obviously the Power Star's doing, which made him drastically bigger and alot more powerful but couldn't seem to handle it's power. Finally, in SMG, Bowser Jr also instructed Megaleg to attack Mario with the power of the Grand Star. With this being said, the bosses are indeed empowered by these celestial artifacts.
Green Stars are Power Stars?
Correct. Different colored Power Stars debuted in Super Mario Galaxy (Or Super Mario 64, if you want to count the start screen). They are treated same as Yellow Power Stars, being added to the over all counter in the game and it's sequel. Infact, Red Power Stars also exists. There's no indication about the difference in power in any of them either. It's just purely for aesthetics.
What about Mario's higher end feats?
We can simply label them with a Possibly rating, using his most notable high end feat. Whether it's his battle against Grand Star powered Bowser or other.
With this knowledge, it would be more neat, organised, and more importantly, consistent if we include a, At least Star level rating for Mario (And everyone else who scales from him) based on these facts. Not only we can finally remove the confusing variable tier, it will make the page alot more logical and so much easier to scale possible future characters in the franchise.
Edit: Forget about what I said about the Possibly rating. We believe it would be better to exclude it since other characters such as Sonic and Kirby are also facing a similar situation. Thus the rating should be: At least Large Star level+ (Capable of defeating people empowered by the Power Stars, which can create realms that contain at least a star and vast space around it. Along with producing this level of power and being stated by Rosalina to be comparable to the Lumas, who can transform into actual stars), likely Multi-Solar System level (Power Stars create realms large enough to contain multiple stars and capable of fighting Antasma, even when amped by Dreamy Luigi.)
