A consistent feat in the SMB franchise

[Ryukama]

@DRB I wanted to know about Mimi from Paper Mario, since I made that profile and I'd feel bad to have it left with confusing/poor stats.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@Ryu

Mimi, right? I believe she would be fine as High 4-C. Personally, I don't think she as strong as Dimentio or Count Bleck.

 

[Ryukama]

Of course she isn't. I was only asking if she should scale to Mario's rating since she fought him.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@Ryu

I see. High 4-C should be accurate then.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with DRB's and Ryukama's compromise solution.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Alright then. With that, I'll make the AP changes.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Ok.....can some unlock Mario, Bowser, and Luigi's pages please?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'll just edit 'em, @DRB. Can you handle the others? (Except Yoshi. Personal reasons make me want to do it)

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Should this count for bowser jr as well

 

[Ryukama]

@Cal Make sure to rewrite your blog in accordance to Lina's corrections please.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it is better if DRB gets to handle them. He is the most knowledgeable about Mario.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@Cal

Okay.

@NotAMarioFan

Yes, it does.

@Ant

Thank you btw.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Ryu. Already did.

@Ant. I already did Mario's page by the time I read this. Would it be best if I unlock all 3 regardless? (I'm unlocking Bowser and Luigi for DRB anyway tho)

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Is the High 4-C because the realms contain a star + other things? Because if so this would also affect the feats of two LoZ characters (Majora and Demise).

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@Azathoth

It's actually due to Lina Shield's calculation.

@Ryu

I prefer it if you remove the 4-B please.

 

[Ryukama]

@DRB I don't like the 4-B either. I'll remove it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I have unlocked the Mario Brothers and the Koopa King for DRB.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@Cal

Thank you. I appreciate your contribution.

 

[Ryukama]

Was Bowser amped by the Grand Star when he tagged Starship Mario? Because if so we might have to remove the MFTL+ stat from Mario's profile. (Still would scale to Amped Bowser and Rosalina though.)

Unless Mario has some other MFTL+ feats like reacting in the space ship/with Launch Stars or something like that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No probs, man. And thanks for that second sentence.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Ryu. Nothing implies so. The feat happens way before the game, and likely results in Bowser getting amped afterwards.

 

[Ryukama]

Well if we aren't treating Mario like a variable anymore, what we would do with his speed.

"At least Sub-Relativistic, possibly/likely Massively FTL+"?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It should be solidly the latter, imo.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Btw, Ryu, why'd you remove 4-B? Iirc, DRB was only talking about the Koopalings that shouldn't have it.

 

[Ryukama]

Are you sure about that? Either way I don't think it's very relevant or necessary.

It makes the page more complicated and cluttered in my opinion. We finally have a way to make the Mario page somewhat coherant and organized, we should try to make it as simple and easy to read as possible I feel. Not adding more tiers, words and explanations.

And Mario is already Large Star+ to MSS on his own. I don't think we need to add an extra tier to him while he's amped by something. Especially when he's still likely the same rating (MSS) on his own.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, it shows his power when he has all of them. Just because he's likely stronger doesn't mean that his power with them shouldn't be listed, as it doesn't become redundant.

 

[Ryukama]

Yeah it does. But I think Mario's tier should focus more on his own capabilities and not bother with too many more amped stats unless it drastically changes him in a relevant way.

And It kinda is redundant.

Mario without Stars = At least Large Star level+, likely MSS

Mario with Stars = At least Solar System level, likely MSS

The amping with the stars barely changes his stats at all and adding it just makes the profile more cluttered, longer and potentially harder to easily read. Which is what everyone has been so happy to finally stop the profiles from being.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Don't deny me my Mario vs Goku ovo

But seriously. I don't think a 4-B version is making it cluttered. Btw, could you add Lina's calc to the list of accepted calcs?

 

[Ryukama]

I think the profile is fine as it is and I don't want to risk filling up the page more. Especially when this amp to Mario isn't relevant at all and barely changes his stats.

Also Goku has a Large Star+ key silly.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Fair enough.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So this was what was decided then?

Not against it, i just thought we were gonna do multiple keys here?

 

[Ryukama]

So what are we going to do about the Speed now? I've made people like Mario, Luigi and Bowser "At least Sub-Relativistic, likely Massively FTL+." Should we scale other relevant Mario characters to that? Perhaps make people like Mimi only Sub-Rel? What?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah. We've realized that Mario surprisingly has consistent tier 4 feats involving stars and starry skies.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Ah thanks for the clarification. In that case, this approach......for now, seems alright enough.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Okay.....I think that's all of them. Btw, thanks Ryu and Cal for helping me. I totally forgot about the striking strength.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No probs, man. I'll re-lock the bros and the king.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Neat. I'm going to hit the hay now. Btw, can one of you do me a solid? Since Culex is by far one of the stronger foes in the series, I believe we can give him the Likely 4-A. Can one of you do that please?

 

[Kevyn_S._de_Andrade]

Just to know, people like Shadow Queen shouldn't be scalled to Mario?

And why is Mario and characters scaled to him as Sub-Relativistic? Isn't this speed just when it's shot through the cannon? Can this be considered combat speed?

 

[Ryukama]

I believe Mario showed Sub-Relativistic reactions during that calc, which would scale to his combat speed.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Correct me if im wrong, but mario didnt technically defeat bowser in SMG1 and 2. He was sort of amped up as well by Baby Luma which grants him the ability to travel to different galaxies and The Star Spin Ability