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Beat the **** out of your past self (1 vote remaining)

That's a phenomenal title.

Though.... What's Archer's answer to getting mindhaxed?
 
Hmm....

I'll wait for more input because I don't know as of right now.
 
Well, I guess to start is off, Kessler is coming in with an AP advantage, so that helps, but Archer's regen and stat amping may help a little with that

Kessler's shields and shockwaves may help a little with some of Archer's attacks (though a few of Archer's combos literally depends on being deflected, so yeah), but Caladbolg II bypasses all of Kessler's defenses, and Regenerationn negation will be the death of Kessler, literally

Though Kessler does usually rely on a fast paced fighting style that puts pressure on his opponent, with Kessler constantly darting around the battlefield and projectiles to keep the enemy on his toes, throwing out shockwaves, grenades and lightning beams from afar (Kessler has also shown to be able to shoot out lightning bolts in a similar way as Cole in inFamous 1). His casual use of the ground pound and land mines make the terrain hazardous, and the mind rape clones that serve as shields, distractions and homing attacks helps too.

His telekinesis also completely rag dolls Archer here, and Kessler will use it if he wants to relocate Archer to an area that gives him an advantage (he will also use it just to fling Archer around should he start to overwhelm him)

Though, Archer Eye of the Mind and sheer skill and wit may give Kessler an issue here, so, its a tough call.

Not voting yet, just getting my thoughts out there.
 
Can Kessler get pass archers immunity to none mysterious or none supernatural attacks? Cause if not then Kessler can't damage Archer
 
I thought it was only conveniently weaponry that the Fates cast was immune to, which was stuff like guns and bombs? I'd imagine natural lighting and psychic attacks don't fall under that (though Kesslers drones are useless here)
 
That's kinda an NLF and I'm 99% sure it means "If you drop a nuke on them they'll tank it", and so there's no conventional weapon in verse that can damage them. Meanwhile, in other Verses like Infamous, "Conventional" is way, way crazier in AP.
 
No like apparently if you don't have mystery or any supernatural stuff and your weapons are understood and science based then they get negged. That's what happened to Genos vs Katou thread and it got closed cause Genos couldn't hurt Katou at all.
 
.......

Huh.

That's wierd.

Still, pretty NLF considering that most mystic weapons far surpass the potency of conventional weapons in verse.
 
Genetically charged electricity does generate mystery, if Abigail vs Hercules is anything to go by
 
I dunno. I think I'll summon Mark to help out. He knows Fate pretty well.
 
I'm pretty sure Conduit powers count as supernatural enough to bypass his Servant immunity.

But nukes aren't doing a thing to Servants. They're defined by modern science and not supernatural abilities like Conduits.

Archer's past self, Shirou, was able to resist the 5.3 billion curses of Angra Mainyu, which each shove every imaginable form of depravity into your brain until you're willing to eat yourself out of terror and insanity. Though I'm not sure if this is applicable to Archer himself due to his spiritual body.

Also, shields aren't doing jack against Caladbolg, which twists space to pierce through any conventional defense and will tear you to shreds even if you try to teleport out of the way.
 
@Gar

He would have gotten blitzed by an unrestrained Cu if they hadn't fought prior and can barely keep up with Saber after she forms a contract with Rin.
 
Will the fact that Conduit abilities come from genetics and can be explained by science hurt the legitimacy of this match or no?
 
Reppuzan said:
But nukes aren't doing a thing to Servants. They're defined by modern science and not supernatural abilities like Conduits.
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What I mean is, the best conventional weaponry has to offer is a nuke, do it's NLF to assume a guy as strong as Kessler wouldn't be able to do way more damage and kill him

Anyways, do you happen to have a scan of when it's stated that only supernatural weapons can hurt servants?
 
Well, Kessler can't use shields or shockwaves to deflect Caladbolg, and his mind screw phantoms are probably ineffective here, but he's not screwed yet.

He can still use said clones to take the hit for him, same for drones (which could also serve as a power source). Telekinesis is still also a big factor here, as it has a pretty far range and Kessler will use it to move opponents who are getting too far away.

Also, time travel is a factor here (through, doesn't Archer have time paradox immunity?)
 
"Archer's past self, Shirou, was able to resist the 5.3 billion curses of Angra Mainyu, which each shove every imaginable form of depravity into your brain until you're willing to eat yourself out of terror and insanity. Though I'm not sure if this is applicable to Archer himself due to his spiritual body."

This doesn't really scale to Archer like that, though. Shirou does it through sheer willpower and Archer's willpower is clearly a lot weaker than Shirou's given that Shirou outlasts and defeats him in their fight in UBW, which was a conflict of wills and ideals.
 
@PTSOX

People don't naturally shoot lightning out of their hands, so I'm pretty sure that Conduits have the supernatural part down pat.

As for Caladbolg, it detonates on impact and twists space so badly that it shattered Caster's shields, which were as tough as Berserker's God Hand, even when he purposely fired it far away from her.

@Prom

Good point.
 
Reppuzan said:
@PTSOX
People don't naturally shoot lightning out of their hands, so I'm pretty sure that Conduits have the supernatural part down pat.
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Prenatural is a thing you know
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Through, doesn't Archer have time paradox immunity?
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Acasuality, but yeah. That's one of the things that made Archer going to kill Shirou so illogical is because he was outside of time, and wouldn't cease existing.
 
@Rep

I was checking, cause scientists in the inFamousverse have been able to understand the science behind the Conduit gene and were able to replicate it

Was the shield breaking due to the spatial manipulation, or was it due to the explosion?

If its the former, then yeah, Kessler can't really defend against it

If its the latter, then Kessler could survive, since he has the AP and Durability advantage, and can further enhance this with barriers and maybe even use a clone/drone to take a hit for him

Also, just to be clear, what is his resistance to mind hax like? Cause Kessler can mind hax someone who resisted a mind hax that affected a whole city of people (est to be in the millions)

@DMUA

Damn time shenanigans
 
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