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He didn't kill ichigo though?
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Im just saying that implies he already had the power. And he left ichigo alive just so he can kill him in the SS which is what he saidHe didn't kill ichigo though?
I’m curious, how was Yhwach handled in the previous thread?I find it iffy to assume the Garganta that holds all the realms being interpreted as the boundary between realms. That's a hyperspecific technicality even if you want to interpret it that way. And even then, if you are treating it as a boundary, destroying the boundary that is between realms =/= destroying the entire garganta.
The stuff about Yhwach's supposed destruction and how it's not universal was handled in the previous thread and I find most of the points just repeating what was covered. The context hardly changes anything.
Think of Garganta as....well..I find it iffy to assume the Garganta that holds all the realms being interpreted as the boundary between realms. That's a hyperspecific technicality even if you want to interpret it that way. And even then, if you are treating it as a boundary, destroying the boundary that is between realms =/= destroying the entire garganta.
The stuff about Yhwach's supposed destruction and how it's not universal was handled in the previous thread and I find most of the points just repeating what was covered. The context hardly changes anything.
In the previous crt you considered the destruction of yhwach universal ...I find it iffy to assume the Garganta that holds all the realms being interpreted as the boundary between realms. That's a hyperspecific technicality even if you want to interpret it that way. And even then, if you are treating it as a boundary, destroying the boundary that is between realms =/= destroying the entire garganta.
The stuff about Yhwach's supposed destruction and how it's not universal was handled in the previous thread and I find most of the points just repeating what was covered. The context hardly changes anything.
We learn from the novels that essentially what Yhwach was going to do was reverse the Prime Soul King’s cosmology restructure, which is affirmed by Tokinada. We are told twice this also involves destroying the Boundary.
After the soul king had completed the task of splitting the cosmology and creating the boundary, he was horribly depowered by the 5 families removing his organs and limbs. This means most likely recombining his parts would be an exponential boost, rather than linear.
While he had 2 organs of the soul king, and most of Ichigo’s power, he himself was either born from a full power soul king (who wasn't nerfed) or is a piece himself.
Narratively, it makes sense for him to be at least close to that degree of power, and he is even stated to have all the power of the soul king
This could be either in reference to Soul King's death triggering its destruction, or the destruction of it in regards to Yhwach's plans. While the former is probable, the soul king had died at this time, and Yhwach had become the new soul king. Ganju should be at least aware of the prior trembling, which would indicate Reio's death, so the latter is probable as well.
As stated above in the narrative section, it is noted Yhwach had ALL of Soul King’s power. This again makes sense, since he had absorbed several pieces of the soul and most of Ichigo’s power. We are not scaling him to a weakened soul king who is currently listed as unknown, but rather to Prime Soul King (or comparable to) as he is reversing his feat.
This version would make sense visually and contextually. Ichibe tells us if reio dies all three realms would be gone.
Another issue is narrative plot holes. If just destroying the soul society (planet) was needed, yhwach could have used yamamoto’s bankai to do so. If it is argued it means the whole realm is needed, that would still be a universal feat, given the Soul society is currently accepted to be a full universe.
It should be noted that the line from CFYOW regarding the relationship between the soul king and the cycle is dubious, given we are informed the characters relaying this information were lying.
As noted above as well, the manga states Reio stabilizes soul society (and the other realms connected to him). It does not have a direct statement saying he maintains the flow.
We know from Memories of Nobody that souls have power, as Blanks (which are souls) can be used for explosions by releasing their energy. This can even be done by shinigami, who can use them to heal their bodies and physically become stronger. As the chief regulator of the entire universal cycle, who not only maintains but controls it, Reio would be easily able to use the cycle offensively, which yhwach would be to do as well. He would still have universal ap regardless, as reio passively maintains the flow if we go with this interpretation.
About the Garganta being "endless"
It is supported more so to be garganta because of Hueco Mundo. That realm does not have a connection to soul society or the world of the living. The boundary encompassed all the worlds, and the statement by tokinada gives the Implication what yhwach was doing would cover the whole scope of the original universeI find it iffy to assume the Garganta that holds all the realms being interpreted as the boundary between realms. That's a hyperspecific technicality even if you want to interpret it that way. And even then, if you are treating it as a boundary, destroying the boundary that is between realms =/= destroying the entire garganta.
The stuff about Yhwach's supposed destruction and how it's not universal was handled in the previous thread and I find most of the points just repeating what was covered. The context hardly changes anything.
There's no rush.damage, i shall read your post and in respond within the following hours if that is fine
I guess you forget the example from Senna, how Senna used the spiritsHeadcanon. This is not a great argument. It is just an assumption that maintaining the universal flow of souls automatically grants you the ability to wield all of those souls offensively. It is impossible to argue against headcanon.
We'd need some evidence that controlling the universal flow is the same as being able to consciosuly detonate every single soul to produce some kind of Universal explosion.I guess you forget the example from Senna, how Senna used the spirits
False equivalence....This also isn't something that would scale to normal statistics anyway, since it is using the energy of other individuals. Someone who can trigger a Universal bomb wouldn't get Universal Striking Strength or Universal Durability by default, for example.
I do have one quick response.There's no rush.
Way to ignore context.I guess Iron Man doesn’t get a tier for his suit because it uses energy that comes from something else. We should also take away Naruto’s tiers with Kurama while we are at it.
Under the premise pieces of a low 2-c being would still be low 2-c, wouldnt this be contradicted by the site treating wsk as "unknown". Part of the reason why i was saying its not a linear increase, its exponential
Perhaps people should stop posting meaningless comments like these that drown out the other stuff. This is one of the reasons why controversial threads turn into staff only threads. So please refrain from such comments.Well I can see that this is going to go wonderfully lol
senna's feat is an energy featI think Senna's feat is non-combat.
I don't know why we're scaling souls at her, she just pushed the souls to do it, I mean, when you give a robot an order to explode and the robot explodes, would you scale to the energy that comes out of the robot's explosion?senna's feat is an energy feat
I never think we call all the pieces of soul king low 2CWay to ignore context.
I'm saying even if we granted the Soul King a hypothetical Universal rating for replicating the Senna feat, it wouldn't scale to his ordinary statistics. Just like we don't scale Iron Man's armor to Tony Stark himself.
Hence why we shouldn't assume that pieces of the Soul King are Low 2-C or magically grant Low 2-C boosts upon being absorbed. The fragments of the Soul King we see via Gerard, Mimihagi and Pernida showcase that well enough.
After the death of the soul king yes it seemed to happen spontaneously but then yhwach sucked the soul king and the earthquake shaking at all, the unification of the universes did not happen because yhwach decided to do it himself, which becomes proof that yhwach can unite the universes. Instead of being with the death of the soul king, he aimed to do it on his own by absorbing himYhwach’s original plan wasn’t to absorb the Soul King to do this, it was to kill him after slaying Ichibei and the rest of Squad Zero. The death of the Soul King causes the exact same result as what Tokinada speaks about, returning everything to primordial soup when removing the Garganta. Yhwach never planned to absorb the Soul King until after dealing with Mimihagi unexpectedly and taking the latter’s power for himself. It was a last minute call.
And considering this upgrade is to push a tier 6 being all the way to tier 2, going up by well over a dozen tiers in one go, considerable amounts of evidence are needed to claim Tokinada means the latter, not the former.
Soul Reapers have shown ability to absorb them to regenerate and boost physicals...I don't know why we're scaling souls at her, she just pushed the souls to do it, I mean, when you give a robot an order to explode and the robot explodes, would you scale to the energy that comes out of the robot's explosion?
im not scaling the souls to her. im scaling charatcers above the featI don't know why we're scaling souls at her, she just pushed the souls to do it, I mean, when you give a robot an order to explode and the robot explodes, would you scale to the energy that comes out of the robot's explosion?
How can it be measured whether garganta is infinite or not? So what if he does and says "infinite" can be infinite for you? Garganta is shown as a structure surrounding universes, there is no contradiction in the fact that a structure that includes universes and more is infinite. I wonder if there are Universes in the belly of the character in fmabTL;DR- Garganta isn’t infinite. The statement is hyperbole coming from someone who’s only reached that conclusion for wandering around inside of Garganta for some time and perceives it to be some expansive area from her point of view, who's incapable of seeing this from across astronomical distances like this. Even if it can be taken literally, endless still doesn’t mean infinite. The Garganta is finite in size.
Then it's a small question, would you scale the person who only keeps the beings in regularity, to the person who can trigger the beings?im not scaling the souls to her. im scaling charatcers above the feat
Uh, no? A Low 2-C structure is not automatically infinite in size here.Wait so the Garganta that’s accepted as Low 2-C already which makes it an infinite structure
It is being brought into question.Wait so the Garganta that’s accepted as Low 2-C already which makes it an infinite structure is not infinite?
How does that work again?