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Just pointing out that it doesn't definitively mean that the Garganta is an infinite space-time.
The nature of Kubo's writing, unfortunately.
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Yhwach, Destroyer of Worlds (Bleach God Tier Revision)
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The nature of Kubo's writing, unfortunately.
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When was it told that a place had to be infinite to be low 2-C?
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If the statement is “x realm is infinite/endless” there is no way that you can interpret it that results in said realm not being infinite. Unless the person making the statement is lying.
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But similarly your example doesn't show any relevance in debunking it either.
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Do people here even know what's something called "Occam's Razor"?
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is a good thing this was not written by kubo then
無限に広がる黒腔の中を彷徨い続け
無限に - infinity
無限に広がる黒腔の中を彷徨い続け
無限に - infinity
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I think we're getting a bit hung-up on the size of the Garganta itself. There's a lot more issues besides that which I've pointed out.
Regarding this assumption that the "boundary" that Yhwach was supposedly out to destroy being the Garganta, apparently the only thing desribed as the boundry that I've found from the manga that separates life and death is the Dangai.
Regarding this assumption that the "boundary" that Yhwach was supposedly out to destroy being the Garganta, apparently the only thing desribed as the boundry that I've found from the manga that separates life and death is the Dangai.
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In response to one of your points in the write up, I dont think Tokinada is referring to the death of reio. The context of the discussion is him reprimanding that ichigo is not given his credit for stopping yhwach, and yhwach says on panel he doing the merge via his power.
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He has mentioned many times that the huce mundo will also disappear There is no link between yhwach and dangai and huce mundo so the disappearance of dangai does not affect the huce mundo
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dangai is not a boundary either nor does it serve to separate, the purpose of the dangai is to connect
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well, they've already asked in this section, and if you still care about spatial size, I say we wait until the answer comes from this section.
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Hueco Mundo is connected to them via Garganta. It's not a direct link like the Dangai, but it's still something since you can traverse the Garganta to reach Hueco Mundo.
So you're disagreeing with the manga itself that describes Dangai as the boundary?
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The Dangai doesn’t surround the worlds. It’s literally a glorified crossroad that connects Soul Society and Human World.
Doing anything to the Dangai als won’t do anything to Hueco Mundo.
Doing anything to the Dangai als won’t do anything to Hueco Mundo.
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Hence Garganta takes precedence over Dangai over being the relevent object as "boundry" in the debated context.
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The dangai does not surround the dimensions, the dangai is just a way to connect them, and HM was gonna be destroy too which is not conected to the danga and only via garganta (like all other things)
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It doesn't have to surround the worlds. It is described as the boundary between them.
And can you point out the statement where it was claimed that destroying it would do nothing to Hueco Mundo?
Except for the fact that the Garganta has never been stated to be the boundary.
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Just want to point out that Yhwach in this page only mentions the World of the Living and Soul Society.
Hueco Mundo being destroyed earlier was primarily mentioned in reference to when the Soul King was killed.
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Why do I need a statement saying the Dangai wouldn’t effect Hueco Mundo? It’s literally stated it serves only soul society and the human world.
How would it effect something that is has no relation too? Are you forgetting Hueco Mundo is an isolated world?
How would it effect something that is has no relation too? Are you forgetting Hueco Mundo is an isolated world?
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a cross over to SS and WOTL yea.
dangai is not connected in any way shape or form to HM, can u show where they are connected? also we know that garganta is connected to all of them and u can travel to any of the dimensions using garganta showing that it is indeed connected to them
until the novels
just want to point out that HM was gonna be destroyed (mentioned both in manga and novels)
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If Yhwach’s goal is to return the world to primordial soup and make it like the old world you do realize Hueco Mundo would need to go as well right? It’s one of the places that make up the old world.
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a full response from me will be later today.
I think the best possible supporting statement for garganta being is this:
I think the best possible supporting statement for garganta being is this:
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dangai is like a bridge between 2 countries or like a bridge between 2 seas, it does not surround them, it is just a way to travel between the two. The destruction of the bridge does not affect the seas or countries, planets or Universes. As a structure between two worlds, can you tell by what logic the planets were affected if it was destroyed? I do not think because the unaffected dangai is a vehicle to travel from the world to the SS, or from the SS to the world, it cannot be compared to garganta.
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Occams razor....as one commentator implored us to use it....
Besides you would have to prove the positive in this case not us proving a negative.
Except context and obvious nature of its existance in the cosmlogy would lead to a more cogent interpretation as "boundry".
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Absolutely based logic.
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Considering the magnitude of this upgrade, I would want something stronger than assumptions about the context of the cosmology
a full response from me will be later today.
I think the best possible supporting statement for garganta being is this:
I see that a bit differently. Gargantas tear through the fabric that keeps dimensions apart, but that doesn't state that the void of Garganta itself is that same fabric.
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By the same logic of what happens if too many souls cross the boundary (the Dangai) separating them. The realms collapse into the primordial chaos. So removing that boundary (the Dangai) would have the same effect as too many of them spilling over at once.
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for reference this is tokinada's statement in full
It does mention the boundary for the three worlds
It does mention the boundary for the three worlds
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Ay that's me
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how would that return the universe to its original form/state?
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not really as souls can travel using garganta, this is also one of the reasons there exist multiple valleys
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The dangai isnt the boundary between the 3 worlds so yeahfor reference this is tokinada's statement in full
It does mention the boundary for the three worlds
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Fabric is refered to the Garganta which separates the realms, portals in it allow you to travel between realms.
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“boundaries between the 3 worlds” last I checked Hueco Mundo isn’t included with the Dangai so clearly it’s not the Dangai.
Unless you have evidence to suggest Hueco Mundo is connected to the Dangai this idea should honestly stop without further evidence.
Unless you have evidence to suggest Hueco Mundo is connected to the Dangai this idea should honestly stop without further evidence.
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including the soul king palace
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What do you mean how? That's one of the basics of the series.
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u talking about the quincys which erase the souls, not really relevant or connected to dangai
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Aren't you overdoing it when (now) it comes to asking for evidence? you are pushing the subject too much, It is obvious that it is not dangai
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