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Yhwach, Destroyer of Worlds (Bleach God Tier Revision)
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Because the forum doesn't have the function of tabbers like the wiki and the spoiler tabber is the best substitute for it.
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Since when is anything original.
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Ugh. Fair Point. 
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the one that has SK/mimihagi/absorbed SK parts etc.
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yup
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Doesn't matter, he is right. People abuse a word too much. That it's present in multiple places doesn't make it okay.
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curious though, what are the wiki's stances on the word? Im told by others that it can still mean universe as a location with sufficient context
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None at all, ignore it
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anyway has anyone read the op, or at least portions?
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I just wanna say the garganta is stated to be a "endless expanse" in the viz translations which makes it universal. Tuskishima also refers to soul society as a timeline in cfyow 1. The we have girkio saying that space-time is infinite. Then aizen warps a part of the space-time continuum and uses the kanji for space-time. Bleach also use relativity which means space-time are one so buy destroying everything he's destroying time as well. So There is overwhelming evidence that the cosmology is universal or higher.
It also says all of creation was in one universe. How can that just mean world/planet
It also says all of creation was in one universe. How can that just mean world/planet
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I agree with you and that's already accepted. I don't think anyone here is inherently arguing yet that it's just worlds or planets
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I won’t be surprised if they do though
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Well neutral, but I have a little bone to pick
As far as I know wiki treats low 2C as infinite, so even if ichigo lost 2/3 of his power from destruction of his bankai he will still be low 2C, hell if he lost even 99.9999999% he will still be low 2C,
So I dont think losing 2/3 of your power can downgrade a universal+ to planetary, so bit of a contradiction to wiki standards
As far as I know wiki treats low 2C as infinite, so even if ichigo lost 2/3 of his power from destruction of his bankai he will still be low 2C, hell if he lost even 99.9999999% he will still be low 2C,
So I dont think losing 2/3 of your power can downgrade a universal+ to planetary, so bit of a contradiction to wiki standards
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Read the OP and I pretty much agree with 99% of it. I think it’s written pretty well and broken down nicely.
Disagree with a few things in the scaling section though such as the extra key bit for Ichigo and Yhwach scaling in his key where he resurrects. This doesn’t work since this is the same Yhwach in his prior key. He just took on a new form and was incredibly pissed off.
The Planet thing to me is also pointless if you’re arguing Yhwach is comparable to prime Reio and his main feat is destroying the Garganta a Low 2-C structure. This is stated within every medium so I don’t see the point of the Planet level.
Disagree with a few things in the scaling section though such as the extra key bit for Ichigo and Yhwach scaling in his key where he resurrects. This doesn’t work since this is the same Yhwach in his prior key. He just took on a new form and was incredibly pissed off.
The Planet thing to me is also pointless if you’re arguing Yhwach is comparable to prime Reio and his main feat is destroying the Garganta a Low 2-C structure. This is stated within every medium so I don’t see the point of the Planet level.
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Upgrading bulma's durability to Low 2-C, thanks for the tip.
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If your reasoning was accepted Bulma would have Low 2-C durability via taking an attack from beerus.
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Don't care haven't seen DB, just stating what is accepted here
Dividing low 2C by trillions will still be low 2C.
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To sigurd: Planet is included from senna upscaling mainly. Thus the "at least". It's more so just for compromise sake.
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Issue is, I'm not arguing that the one that had his full power was tier 2, though I'm fine with that being discussed in this thread.
I'm arguing he reached that level after his bankai was repaired, most likely due to the inverse "zenkai" affect. His feat more so much him being that tier in the final battle only, unless we want to argue yhwach was tier 3/2 after absorbing just the weakened soul king and mimihagi
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It may be unnecessary to argue in this topic, but cogmology also needs to be 2C because Universes all have their own spacetime and timelines separately and garganta's time is different from all of them in the series there are many times a reference to the temporal cycle of the Universes, and what yhwach wants to destroy is not just the space of the Universes. It was also supposed to destroy the temporal cycles of the Universes because it would reach the timeline of the old universe.
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What would you use to substantiate the last part of your post?
Also quick question. Does the social society have a similar time flow to the world of the living?
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Personally I think we should stick with what is currently accepted for the cosmology size. The op is as long as it is, don't need to tack on something that controversial. It could be discussed another time if that's okay with you
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SS and the living world are parallel to each other in the data book, since the living world is a Universe, SS is a parallel universe to it, I think the timeline and timelines of parallel Universes are different.
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If people do not want to mix profits and extra work, this can be left to another time.
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Ehhh. Not sure I inherently by that premise. Tell you tell you what, depending on how this CRT goes we can do a separate one and another point discussing that topic. I just don't feel it should be discussed here
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ok then it's better to argue after this crt is over
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losing 2/3 of his power does not drop ichigo on the planet, on the contrary, it puts low 2C as stronger
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Yup I agree with this.....
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well Qliphoth pretty much confirmed the relevant part of the mugetsu statement in the Extra tab:
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mugetsu to be exact> senna
dangai and fragor aizen probably> What kind of deal would Senna be?
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