Undertale: General CRT

[KingNanaya]

I agree with everything except the law manipulation. that's just him being a jerk lol

 

[StrymULTRA]

It seems to extrapolate cheeky use of game mechanics a fair bit beyond what seems reasonable.

What do you think of Asriel with Chara's SOUL being >>>>> 8-B baseline Human SOUL btw?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I agree with everything except the law manipulation. that's just him being a jerk lol

Uhm... you can be a jerk using your hax though, given that Chara had to literally wait for him to sleep so they had to break through the game rules.

 

[Planck69]

What do you think of Asriel with Chara's SOUL being >>>>> 8-B baseline Human SOUL btw?

He's definitely significantly superior from what I recall but I'm not sure to what extent.

And out of curiosity, assuming that Sans law-hax somehow gets accepted, how would that impact a match? Like, against characters that aren't from turn-based RPGs?

 

[ShionAH]

I agree with everything except the law manipulation. that's just him being a jerk lol

what??

 

[StrymULTRA]

And out of curiosity, assuming that Sans law-hax somehow gets accepted, how would that impact a match? Like, against characters that aren't from turn-based RPGs?

Basically is a bit like a Pokémon sleep status, where the one affected cannot do anything without resistance, or like Eternatus' passive power null..

We can just assume that turns are basically the time the characters take to perform actions (showcased while running from Undyne for example, where Frisk uses their turn to run away).

He's definitely significantly superior from what I recall but I'm not sure to what extent.

I use this as supportive evidence that Monster + Human SOUL >>> Singular Human SOUL, as a Human SOUL using a x7 multiplier surely ain't 2-B.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

He's definitely significantly superior from what I recall but I'm not sure to what extent.

And out of curiosity, assuming that Sans law-hax somehow gets accepted, how would that impact a match? Like, against characters that aren't from turn-based RPGs?

he's basically 682 if that's going to happen

 

[KingNanaya]

Uhm... you can be a jerk using your hax though, given that Chara had to literally wait for him to sleep so they had to break through the game rules.

yeah, but wouldn't that apply more to Chara, since it was them that actually broke the game rules, not sans? because that seems more to me like he knows how the game works, and just abuses that. instead of changing how the game works.

 

[Planck69]

yeah, but wouldn't that apply more to Chara, since it was them that actually broke the game rules, not sans? because that seems more to me like he knows how the game works, and just abuses that. instead of changing how the game works.

This is a pretty good way of putting it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

yeah, but wouldn't that apply more to Chara, since it was them that actually broke the game rules, not sans? because that seems more to me like he knows how the game works, and just abuses that. instead of changing how the game works.

Is Minor Law Hax as unlike the other characters he's able to abuse of said rule. Is not him manipulating the laws, but just abusing it.

 

[ShionAH]

instead of changing how the game works.

Literally the whole sans fight makes no sense according to the battle system in undertale-

 

[KingNanaya]

This is a pretty good way of putting it.

thank you bro, I appreciate it

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with Mid-Godly for Frisk, NEP for Chara, the Photoshop Flowey Tier revision and Text Manipulation.

Neutral on Sans’ Law Manipulation and the EE, Info and Data Manipulation arguments for Flowey.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Agree with Mid-Godly for Frisk

Asriel and Chara do get that too though, as they have the same amounts of DT.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

yeah, but wouldn't that apply more to Chara, since it was them that actually broke the game rules, not sans? because that seems more to me like he knows how the game works, and just abuses that. instead of changing how the game works.

sans ignores the iframes after you get hit

 

[KingNanaya]

Is Minor Law Hax as unlike the other characters he's able to abuse of said rule. Is not him manipulating the laws, but just abusing it.

that's like playing a fighting game with someone and they press the pause button and say they'll be right back

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Asriel and Chara do get that too though, as they have the same amounts of DT.

Ah, yeah them too.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Is Minor Law Hax as unlike the other characters he's able to abuse of said rule. Is not him manipulating the laws, but just abusing it.

I believe that law manipulation is Undertale's thing, not sans', but it's pretty clear Chara broke the law that Sans abused from the world so she could get law negation

 

[ShionAH]

I believe that law manipulation is Undertale's thing, not sans'

He defies the rules? The attacks in the menu, the box manipulation, attacking first etc.

 

[StrymULTRA]

that's like playing a fighting game with someone and they press the pause button and say they'll be right back

Except that no Undertale character has ever used of the turn gimmick, only Sans.

This is a false equivalence, as in this case the fighting game characters do not use the pause button, but the player, but Sans is a character who uses that as a character in the game.

I believe that law manipulation is Undertale's thing, not sans', but it's pretty clear Chara broke the law that Sans abused from the world so she could get law negation

No, it's more Sans' weakness at it, given that he lost his control over the turn when he fell asleep, not that Chara just said "**** it I'll still attack", they had to specifically wait for Sans to fall asleep, otherwise they were stuck.

 

[KingNanaya]

The attacks in the menu,

oh yeah, that. I forgot about that.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

He defies the rules? The attacks in the menu, the box manipulation, attacking first etc.

bro ignores the i-frames after you get hit as well

 

[ShionAH]

oh yeah, that. I forgot about that.

yes.

Except that no Undertale character has ever used of the turn gimmick, only Sans.

This is a false equivalence, as in this case the fighting game characters do not use the pause button, but the player, but Sans is a character who uses that as a character in the game.

No, it's more Sans' weakness at it, given that he lost his control over the turn when he fell asleep, not that Chara just said "**** it I'll still attack", they had to specifically wait for Sans to fall asleep, otherwise they were stuck.

Question when you die Asgore speaks to you right how does that work?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Question when you die Asgore speaks to you right how does that work?

Asgore was more talking to Chara there, we have no information on how Frisk hears that, so we should leave it to itself.

 

[KingNanaya]

Except that no Undertale character has ever used of the turn gimmick, only Sans.

This is a false equivalence, as in this case the fighting game characters do not use the pause button, but the player, but Sans is a character who uses that as a character in the game.

yeah, that makes sense. except he doesn't have a literal pause button

 

[ShionAH]

Asgore was more talking to Chara there, we have no information on how Frisk hears that, so we should leave it to itself.

Sans also manipulates that as well after you spare him

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans also manipulates that as well after you spare him

That is more a gag than anything.

 

[ShionAH]

That is more a gag than anything.

Sans toon force when??

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans toon force when??

Papyrus technically should have it

 

[ShionAH]

Papyrus technically should have it

Sans toon force via making invisible fire in his room

 

[StrymULTRA]

he's basically 682 if that's going to happen

You're now exaggerating. It did not last for long, Sans only uses it as a last resort, and he loses control on it if he falls asleep. If Chara did figure it out, a good chunk of people can.

 

[ShionAH]

And out of curiosity, assuming that Sans law-hax somehow gets accepted, how would that impact a match? Like, against characters that aren't from turn-based RPGs?

Probably a incon card but it can be negated by some stuff

 

[StrymULTRA]

Probably a incon card but it can be negated by some stuff

Nah, I already said why above.

 

[ShionAH]

Nah, I already said why above.

it can be negated by some stuff

 

[StrymULTRA]

It can be negated from literally Sans falling asleep lmao. And that happens on its own.

 

[ShionAH]

It can be negated from literally Sans falling asleep lmao. And that happens on its own.

True true

 

[KingNanaya]

You're now exaggerating. It did not last for long, Sans only uses it as a last resort, and he loses control on it if he falls asleep. If Chara did figure it out, a good chunk of people can.

I feel like it's more that sans would have just killed chara instantly if he saw, so chara just waited until he fell asleep. especially since he would have dodged if he was awake. but that's just my assumption.

 

[StrymULTRA]

True true

If anything the law hax should be specified that it works as long as Sans is awake, and he loses control over the turn if he falls asleep.

Is a weakness of the hax if anything.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I feel like it's more that sans would have just killed chara instantly if he saw, so chara just waited until he fell asleep. especially since he would have dodged if he was awake. but that's just my assumption.

Sans does not harm Chara, he just teleports them back to the original position.

 

[KingNanaya]

Sans does not harm Chara, he just teleports them back to the original position.

that's kinda funny