Undertale: 0-1 STATs, speed, stamina, and other things!

[Monsters_fight]

We don't currently accept frisk's lowest ap rating to be 8-B so unless that is added to the crt that's definitely a contradiction to the durability also that sort of implies that only one should scale to the other.

Ok, but Frisk 0 ATK/DEF can survive Floweys attack which is High 8-C+

The only two who survive have higher hp supporting my point.

Ice has around the same HP as Moldsmal and he can tank way less hits so no
This is because of the DEF in the Code.
Moldsmal and Shyren have a way higher DEF in code than Ice, Dummy, Whimsun and Vulkin, this is why they tank more hits
but this is irrelevant because the code stats don't matter, only the lore ones.

The Flowey harming Frisk point still stands and it works

Characters one shooting other characters is possible in the same tier, Medium Determined Frisk can one shoot weaker High 8-C+ (Im not talking about 9-A Frisk nor 9-A enemies)

 

[Lou_change]

This would effect all scaling in the game I am pretty sure.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Frisk can one shot whimsun and most other zero defense monsters except Moldsmal and Shyren using an attack stat of 0

Frisk varies via DT, so doesn't really matter. Also, some are less willing to fight and that kind of stuff.

If the only reason it's not meant to be taken literally is that he doesn't move that makes the narrator provide around 9 outright false statements and should probably have us apply similar scrutiny to stuff like Undyne's boulder suplex.

I don't get whatever you are saying.

I'll have him tell you everything

That's cool, but I still don't see how it is appropriate for the point.

 

[Lou_change]

Frisk varies via DT, so doesn't really matter. Also, some are less willing to fight and that kind of stuff.

What is Frisk more determination to kill Whimsun than survive flowey?

I don't get whatever you are saying.

1. What is your reasoning for these quotes not being literal.
"Papyrus is preparing a bone attack."

"Papyrus prepares a non-bone attack then spends a minute fixing his mistake."

2. If it is literally just because we don't see Papyrus's sprite move. That should apply to the following quotes that are consistent with what we see in his fight.
"Papyrus remembered a bad joke Sans told and is frowning."

"Papyrus dabs some Bone Cologne behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs marinara sauce behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Bishie Cream behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Anime Powder behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Cute Juice behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Attraction Slime behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Beauty Yogurt behind his ear."

What about Undyne's boulder feat?

That's cool, but I still don't see how it is appropriate for the point.

His attacks are all physical objects he literally has sitting in a box

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

What is Frisk more determination to kill Whimsun than survive flowey?

They had minimal DT as they were not in the battle mode.

1. What is your reasoning for these quotes not being literal.
"Papyrus is preparing a bone attack."

"Papyrus prepares a non-bone attack then spends a minute fixing his mistake."

It’s not like he found some literal bones and built a mechanism to make them move at Frisk, he just prepared to spawn them and cannot really make any non-bone attack (besides “absolutely normal attack”).

2. If it is literally just because we don't see Papyrus's sprite move. That should apply to the following quotes that are consistent with what we see in his fight.
"Papyrus remembered a bad joke Sans told and is frowning."

"Papyrus dabs some Bone Cologne behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs marinara sauce behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Bishie Cream behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Anime Powder behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Cute Juice behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Attraction Slime behind his ear."

"Papyrus dabs MTT-Brand Beauty Yogurt behind his ear."

He later realized he didn’t have an ear.

What about Undyne's boulder feat?

I don’t really know, my argument was more on the fact that he is not literally going somewhere, preparing the attack, building a machine to move stuff and then returning, just standing as bones move by themselves — no, the bones are just his magic that he moves. Sans created and moved way more bones while dodging (without even counting GBs and other stuff), same with others’ magic.

His attacks are all physical objects he literally has sitting in a box

This just means he can make his attacks be physical and be put in the box?..
I don’t see how it is relevant to the discussion.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Btw, this thread is old asf, a whole year had passed yet it is not concluded…

 

[Lou_change]

It’s not like he found some literal bones and built a mechanism to make them move at Frisk, he just prepared to spawn them and cannot really make any non-bone attack (besides “absolutely normal attack”).

Magical moving the bones after preparing them.

He later realized he didn’t have an ear.

he still tries presumably unless we start considering the narrator being willing to outright lie to the player.

This just means he can make his attacks be physical and be put in the box?..

he has a box of bones in his room made of attacks he never performed?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Magical moving the bones after preparing them.

Yeah, preparing where they will move, not literally having them. Where the hell did he even get this amount of bones if not spawning them?

he still tries presumably unless we start considering the narrator being willing to outright lie to the player.

I’m just kidding. That’s why it striked out.

he has a box of bones in his room made of attacks he never performed?

He never used in fight, not never performed. They must have been created by him.

 

[Lou_change]

Yeah, preparing where they will move, not literally having them. Where the hell did he even get this amount of bones if not spawning them?

I don't know maybe the box holding his attacks
They are explicitly the attacks he used according to the dialogue if you fight him and the attacks he was going to use if you didn't fight him.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I don't know maybe the box holding his attacks
They are explicitly the attacks he used according to the dialogue if you fight him and the attacks he was going to use if you didn't fight him.

And? They are still made by him.
Or is your argument trying to help my point by saying he didn’t even spawn them mid-fight but rather just moved unlike others yet still got tired? Well, thanks for help then, ig.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

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