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1. By this very wiki, no now. That should be treated as game mechanics as the scaling has been proven to not make any sense. This pretty much got talked about in a previous thread shown here.Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:I don't agree to any of this, at all.
It would be EXTREMELY inconsistent to call LOVE game mechanics as it and similar STATs have been directly referred to by characters ingame, and have been shown by all intents and purposes to increase STATs directly. All STATs are also treated as canon by this very wiki.
Photoshop Flowey was never defeated by the Player, nor did such a Player exist in the first place. He was defeated by the SOULs that made him up. Hell, if you want to go with the route that Frisk was the Player during that fight that badly, Photoshop Flowey was DESTROYING the Player compared to Chara.
Base Asriel's STATs are so big that they can only be quantified as infinity symbols, which are higher than they've ever been seen even at Chara's "absolute", and via powerscaling has likely never even surpassed 300. Also infinity universe x infinity universe = 2-B, not Low 2-C.
Also, there is no Angel of Hyperdeath form. There's God of Hyperdeath and Angel of Death.
This summary also makes no mention of the Annoying Dog, that's something Read this Post seems to have just snuck in after.
Dude, why the heck are you linking that thread to try to prove the Player isn't a character in Undertale? You've haven't even debunk everything I said about the Player being real and already you are using the thread to support your theory?Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:Photoshop Flowey was never defeated by the Player, nor did such a Player exist in the first place. He was defeated by the SOULs that made him up. Hell, if you want to go with the route that Frisk was the Player during that fight that badly, Photoshop Flowey was DESTROYING the Player compared to Chara.
It was never implied ingame that Chara destroyed all of Undertale either, but here we are. And how the hell does Sans leaving a voicemail for Frisk mean Photoshop Flowey was in a different universe?Psychomaster35 said:It was never implied that Flowey destroyed all of Undertale when he closed the game while turning into Omega Flowey, and he never even said he did so. I can assume that it was just Flowey dragging the player to his save file (his universe where he has killed everyone) only to lose, causing everything to go back to normal again, and even people like Sans or Papyrus talk to the player after they leave the underground, proving that this fight WAS in a different universe, only after Floweys defeat did everything go back to normal.
I don't see STATs being talked about on that page. The only reason I've seen is that Read this Post wanted Asgore on the same tier as a Froggit. Stats have been mentioned by practically every character such as Sans talking about EXP and LOVE, ordinary people bringing up STATs in conversations, and Chara mentioning all STATs seperately. Hell, even the fight music, dialogue boxes, and fullscreen are mentioned or interacted with in the story.Psychomaster35 said:1. By this very wiki, no now. That should be treated as game mechanics as the scaling has been proven to not make any sense. This pretty much got talked about in a previous thread shown here.
2. No, the Anamoly DID exist. The game pretty much states a "you" when doing an action. For example... here and when you pick up items on the ground. Regardless of how you can even say that "Oh the player didnt defeat OF, the souls did!" No, thats because the player saved the souls which led them to team up and defeat OF.
3. And yet nothing even proves it that Base Asriel scales to Chara because no proof is even said about it. At a lowball, we DO have a confirmation that he is Low 2-C, but the reasoning of him being 2-B at base is litterally none at all. Infinite Stats do not mean anything. Furthermore, if you dare say that Stats are canon, nope. See here and here. If you really say that Asriel is infinity, then how is Asgore even doing the SAME AMOUNT IF DAMAGE AS HIM (Both deal 8 damage assuming no armor)? If you go by that logic, does that make Asgore 2-B? I dont think so.
Angel of Hyperdeath, Angel of Death, whatever. But I still agree that AoHD should keep the Multiverse rating as he scales to Chara, in which both of them had one thing in common: They were doing a True Reset. One that would destroy the entirety of Undertale, which theoretically, would contain up to 1000 universes (SAVEs) if you save the game many times, but at a lowball, at least less than 1000 universes, so 2-C likely 2-B AoHD Asriel it is.
Because I'm a busy man and because I forgot you made any new points because of whatever happened.ElixirBlue said:Dude, why the heck are you linking that thread to try to prove the Player isn't a character in Undertale? You've haven't even debunk everything I said about the Player being real and already you are using the thread to support your theory?
Is somebody willing to do this?Antvasima said:You should politely ask all of the staff members who have commented here previously to reply again via their message walls.
I agree with this but i question if charas tier will be changedPsychomaster35 said:Omega Flowey will be 2-C, likely 2-B ==> At least Low 2-C
Base Asriel will be 2-B ==> Low 2-C
Angel of Death Asriel will be 2-B ==> 2-C, likely 2-B
Is this what you are looking for, Zamasu?
One comment suddenly makes the downgrades invalid when it pokes innumerable holes in the validity of the entire premise of the thread and hasn't been properly debunked yet.Unoriginal Memes said:I don't see how one comment suddenly makes the downgrades invalid.
You're right.Psychomaster35 said:Who is it then that Flowey is talking about when you are about to do a true reset? Thats right: YOU. The one who has the power to reset everything. And before you say, "Uhhh nooo, its Frisk hes talking about", Flowey DOES say this:
"Let Frisk be happy."
That gives a sign that Flowey isnt talking to Frisk, so WHO is he talking to? I think we all know the answer.