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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation
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Noneless21
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Wow thanks for the elaboration, I know everything now!
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Should be at least 2nd given how DS put up quite a fight against ZY, even before several considerable upgrades recently
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Seriously tho, there's seemly a major lack of scrutiny for convoluted verses that most regular users and staff have little chance of understanding without relying on the "good faith"
But that's just another facet of the Vs community brain rot I guess?
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He also does just beaten by Bai who has CM1 and resistance to DS' hax to a profoundly dumb degree, as is typical with the chinaman
This is also ignoring the fact that Bai is from the same verse as Saint Emperor Bai and Saint emp should share a spot or second should be characters from Ergenverse
Ji Ning also has the same but on a lower level
So you know, chinaman just being chinaman
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Yeah, true. I feel like there should be a required explanation blog for anything claiming infinite layers, since it's kind of a huge deal. We wouldn't allow something like a 1-A rating or having all the verse powers to go unexplained, why would this be any different?
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Infinite stats is a new one to me. Is that from 1e/2e?
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No there aren't. Infinite layers would, at best, come from Abyss scaling. Every layer of the Abyss is made up of the bodies of demons that failed to merge with it. A demon lord is a demon that managed to claim control over the entire abyssal layer, where potentially infinite others failed.
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Yeah this is the infinite layers justifications for DnD
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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That sounds a little more solid, is there a more detailed explanation out there? I'd like to know more, if possible.
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Can gather the scans quickly.
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I myself participated in several threads against chinamen already so I can grasp their craziness, at least to some extent. His resistances to bastard dude haxes has been taken into account, though definitely not all of them as far as this site is concerned (and I'm not talking about stuff like CM1). Ji Ning is just a whole step below these guys so I am not really that aware of him TbH.
Regardless, I'd do the match one by one this time, since every of the opponents is worth considering
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Here are the scans with brief summaries/explanations.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Well I obviously get how this translate to hax layers (or at least resistance layers), but where does the infinite part come from? The only way I can see it is if the Abyssal layers absorbed demon lords infinitely, each one stronger than the last, but there doesn't seem to be an indication of that.
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Some (edit: abyssal layers) are infinite, the demon lord also can straight up make it so too
That's why I personally stopped using it either way (I was the one that brought it up originally), it's a "possibly" at the absolute best.
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Ji Ning's next 3-B key is his most potent one but at that point he's a 6-D smurf. His current 3-B key is strong but not as strong as the Ergen peeps and their 28+ hax layers and resistances.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Yeah ngl that's too much of a stretch for me. Are the D&D characters in 2-C only that high because of the infinite layers?
Might as well cover smurf hax as well.
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Fairly sure is because of stupid range in the case of non-smurf. Even demon lords just by appearing in the Prime Material spawns the existence of entire monsters across the multiverse (Demogorgon's lore, chimeras only exists because he appeared once in the material plane).
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Aren't most of those monsters like 9-A though? This feels like the "one trillion lions vs the sun" issue again, except this time it's one trillion chimeras vs Dracula.
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I mean if they don't have infinite layers Destiny whoops them with "basically infinite" layers
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The point is to show the abyssal lords have 2-A range even in 2-C
With D&D accepted as "above baseline" 2-A
With someone like Sertrous having stupid power null to people with even higher stuff than the abyss lords.
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Rimuru for 5th spot of 5b
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Rakih_Elyan
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I won't rest until Chinamen fill this entire list.
Noneless21
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take your China goonery here
Rakih_Elyan
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Nah it is just pure Chinamen there, I want Chinamen to dominate these list.
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i feel like people are correlating numbers with layers now
Numbers =/= layers
It was agreed upon that being above infinite people in terms of hax or haxing infinite people isn't going to be layers.
the only time you're gonna have infinite layered hax is by infinite recursion of hax or resistance where people adapt to each others hax in loop
i remember destiny being countless layers for farming each others hax for infinite amount of time thus they improved their hax and resistance by basically letting each other go above each others hax and resistance in a loop
idk about dnd
being above infinite amount of people with the same hax isn't layers
Numbers =/= layers
It was agreed upon that being above infinite people in terms of hax or haxing infinite people isn't going to be layers.
the only time you're gonna have infinite layered hax is by infinite recursion of hax or resistance where people adapt to each others hax in loop
i remember destiny being countless layers for farming each others hax for infinite amount of time thus they improved their hax and resistance by basically letting each other go above each others hax and resistance in a loop
idk about dnd
being above infinite amount of people with the same hax isn't layers
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They are pretty much the same, then. It's just D&D applies it to the entire residency of The Abyss.
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Y'all confusing the **** out of me with what you want me to do with Low 1-C
.Just create a list of who has what position in that tier and if the majority of people accept it then i'll add it to the OP.
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Tier Low 1-C:Y'all confusing the **** out of me with what you want me to do with Low 1-C
Just create a list of who has what position in that tier and if the majority of people accept it then i'll add it to the OP.
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2. Deceived3596
3. LephyrTheRevanchist
4. Rakih_Elyan
5. Goku (Speed Equal) / DaReaperMan (Speed Unequal)
You're welcome
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D Gray Man supporters did not comment in battle thread.
They can't even interact with Rimuru. (Abstract Existence Type 1) (İnformation Type 2, Embodiment of Laws )
Also, even if they interact, I don't think they can handle High Godly Regeneration.
Since I don't know anything about the D Gray Man characters, I'll write down some wincons that I think are definitive.
Layered İnformation Analyse and EE (İnformation Type 2) (Disintegration attacks or Spirit Particle based attacks can destroy souls and skills. Information particle is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it.)
Enhanced Sealing (Can trap his target in a complex number of spatial dimensions),
Madness Manipulation Type 3 via Demon Lord Haki (Aura).
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