Zhong Yue vs Dark Schneider: 1st 3B Battle non-smurf

[PainKiller07]

Zhong Yue vs Darsh
SBA and Speed Equalization

Chinamen:
Narcissist:
Incon:

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Why skip over Saint-Emperor

 

[PainKiller07]

Why skip over Saint-Emperor

My bad, I was literally blind having thought he wasn't also a chinaman

Either way, I'd do one more match if needed to qualify for the spot

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

My bad, I was literally blind having thought he wasn't also a chinaman

Either way, I'd do one more match if needed to qualify for the spot

No worries.

IIRC, Saint-Emperor has passive law, paralysis and I think time-stop. As for layers, you'll have to ask Zaratthustra or Planck69.

As for this match, Zaratthustra is the most knowledgably on Zhong Yue.

 

[Zaratthustra]

So:

Passive:

His Killing Intent will cause other's beings' mind to go blank/collapse, make them cry/tremble to freeze in fear which attacks the soul and spirit too - while also make them hallucinate to see nothing but darkness, hear nothing but howls of the souls to a degree that the more it stays the stronger it becomes and the soul will lose it that it make the foe go mad/berserk plus it will silence the skills, body and soul/spirit.​

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He will passively crush the dimension around him. Looking in his eyes will instantly suck your soul/spirit (abstract self) and bfr you to Hell.​

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His Saber Will will attack the mind, soul and spirit. His saber presence will nullify skills, and will instantly strike whoever feels is (basically as long as you're in his range you're hit making speed equal even a worse thing for his foe). It will also stun his foe's body, spirit, soul, mind, energy and skills.​

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His aura will attack the mind of his foe to make him look bigger as time passes, to miss their attacks, to make them hesitate, to feel like an eternity has passed to lose themselves; At the same time, it will nullify mind, soul and spirit making impossible to use these aspects, it will turn the void into a zone without any energy or power, will disintegrate the body, soul, spirit, and dimension and seal the vision and any visual prowess.​

Any attack of his creates Dao Wounds (Conceptual wounds) which will make so that the energy of his wounded foes will work against them by stopping the regeneration (basically yourself without wanting will make so that the wounds won't heal - you'll need to destroy the concept of this specific dao to stop it).​

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His luck is so high that it will devour the luck of others to make whatever situation/thing that may help them become his in the end.​

ZY has the best Analytical Prediction on the wiki (if you exclude infinite ones) as he can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits and their next points of attack as if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once which only got better as he got more experienced and stronger.

He can also calculate fate, karma (cause and effect), and time itself which make for a strong combo as he will understand almost anything just by seeing a thing (like instantly understanding what you will do, what you have done, copy whatever you may/will use and have used) making a really strong power mimicry. Then you have his instinctive reaction that is natural as breathing for him which then got even stronger as any action is as natural as the Dao (everything). Plus his accelerated development and reactive evolution making an even more frightening combatant going by these plus his analytical prediction.

What is even funnier is that he not only has over 11,500+ gods form (basically becoming an entirely new being and even becoming his foe down to whatever aura, body, physical, soul, spirit and racial skills they may have. He basically can become his enemy and gain their powers if his copying is not enough.

His attacks can reach through endless dimensions so Darsh won't be able to hide or run anywhere while ZY can and if Darsh can't do the same, he won't even be able to hurt him. Plus him ignoring the concept of space/distance will make even harder to even try to escape/dodge any attack in an equal speed match (not like it matters too much). He also has like 10+ different stat amps.

ZY can make the distance/space between himself and his foe be infinite (create countless layers of space), separate his foe through multiple dimensions making whatever they do be useless as while his foe is still connected and not hurt, it will hard to use anything when you're scattered across other dimensions, stop the time, reverse one's to a state where they never existed or increase their age till they die. Can summon 6 other him from the future, each 1 year older, so Darsh will have to fight not only 1 but 7 in total, each with more experience/power under its belt. Plus he can also summon millions of himself (present self).

Can BFR his target within his Seven Path Reincarnation where he can do whatever he wishes and trap his foe into this layered dimension (endless) here he can become nonexistent at will making truly impossible to hurt him if you can't interact with such beings.

His Saber can work like a mirror that will show his foe deepest secrets, flaws, openings, the things they cultivate (powers), the body, spirit, soul, basically everything for him to know. This is not only done with the saber but himself in his true form - Fuxi Form will also have this ability but even stronger as each scale on his body will gain this property plus the ability to reflect back whatever technique/power will be used against him.

Then you have his Daos (Concepts) - Celestial, Demon, Sun, Moon, Lightning, Earth, Wood, Water, Fire, Metal, Mountain, Yin, Yang, Yi (Change), Time, Space, Heaven which he can manipulate. Plus 700 more Daos but not that much explained beyond several.

While he also has the Daoless Heaven which is something that exists beyond the Dao as it will null everything including Dao, eroding everything in the universe (every manifestation of a Dao), reducing anything to a state of non-being.

ZY doesn't even need to use his skills or attack himself as his Spirits can do it themselves making even of a harder fight.

The only problem I could see is Darsh High-Godly but a lot of the said things above can deal with it and other skills that ZY has (which are a lot)...in rest ZY has the statistics advantage, skill diversity advantage, item advantages, intellect and combat instinct advantage, etc...

 

[PainKiller07]

His Killing Intent will cause other's beings' mind to go blank/collapse, make them cry/tremble to freeze in fear which attacks the soul and spirit too - while also make them hallucinate to see nothing but darkness, hear nothing but howls of the souls to a degree that the more it stays the stronger it becomes and the soul will lose it that it make the foe go mad/berserk plus it will silence the skills, body and soul/spirit.

the astral body which covers DS's mental/emotional aspects resides in another dimension, that alone would skip those decent effects unless they can reach inter-dimensionally. Then, we have dispel bounds, which not only nullify all abilities that harm the user but also literally protect his astral body, requiring them to be destroyed at the very same time so that an opening is left for the opponent to even affect. The hax also needs to be on a conceptual level to affect souls in bastard!!.

Then Darsh has his own resistance towards illusion/hallucinating-like haxes, which is quite heavily layered. Not to mention at pretty early on in the series, he witnessed similar phenomena and even mastered souls from hell himself.

He will passively crush the dimension around him. Looking in his eyes will instantly suck your soul/spirit (abstract self) and bfr you to Hell.

Space-time distortion stuff gets resisted hard by any high-ranked angels/devils I would say, while DS in this form is a completely different beast from them, and DS has his own abilities to counter too. Oh, DS's metaphysical aspects of existence are already in hell tho. BFR and absorption/ee on astral and ideal levels would get resisted anyway.

His Saber Will will attack the mind, soul and spirit. His saber presence will nullify skills, and will instantly strike whoever feels is (basically as long as you're in his range you're hit making speed equal even a worse thing for his foe). It will also stun his foe's body, spirit, soul, mind, energy and skills.


His aura will attack the mind of his foe to make him look bigger as time passes, to miss their attacks, to make them hesitate, to feel like an eternity has passed to lose themselves; At the same time, it will nullify mind, soul and spirit making impossible to use these aspects, it will turn the void into a zone without any energy or power, will disintegrate the body, soul, spirit, and dimension and seal the vision and any visual prowess

Dispel bounds will handle those with its 5-6 layered nullification to all, up to a conceptual level. DS himself pretty much resists those as well. And, as already mentioned, break his DB first or none of his existential elements are going to be touched.

Any attack of his creates Dao Wounds (Conceptual wounds) which will make so that the energy of his wounded foes will work against them by stopping the regeneration (basically yourself without wanting will make so that the wounds won't heal - you'll need to destroy the concept of this specific dao to stop it).

Annoying yeah, since DS himself does have high-godly regen neg. That would be if he can inflict that first, of course, given nullifications and extreme resistance to concept type 1 level manip.

His luck is so high that it will devour the luck of others to make whatever situation/thing that may help them become his in the end.

What are the feats/potent level of that specifically? Negation of causality/fate manip from dispel bounds also would help.

ZY has the best Analytical Prediction on the wiki (if you exclude infinite ones) as he can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits and their next points of attack as if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once which only got better as he got more experienced and stronger.

He can also calculate fate, karma (cause and effect), and time itself which make for a strong combo as he will understand almost anything just by seeing a thing (like instantly understanding what you will do, what you have done, copy whatever you may/will use and have used) making a really strong power mimicry. Then you have his instinctive reaction that is natural as breathing for him which then got even stronger as any action is as natural as the Dao (everything). Plus his accelerated development and reactive evolution making an even more frightening combatant going by these plus his analytical prediction.

Quite impressive for an ability. However, dispel bounds null esp/detection/precognition shenanigans and he won't be able to perceive Darsh's true essence-the soul which is a type 1 concept. DS also has reactive power/evolution to the point that he could negate the regeneration on the level of mid-godly that have previously resisted his skill that easily neg normal mid-godly regen, all with a normal punch and matter of seconds. His power-up kept up with a person who is in rage mode and increased hundreds to thousands of times in power level in tenths seconds or so. Also, the astral body is free from time so that might as well troublesome for him to calculate the spirit's path/moves.

Basically what I'm saying here is DS's own AD/RE can counter that of ZY as the former's capacity of hax is quite superior initially. To elaborate, ZY is much more skilled/experienced and while he knows what to do to deal with, the gap is a bit out of reach considering DS would probably end the fight with just an attack, and ZY would have to act perfectly in reacting to every of DS's moves and practically make zero mistakes since he won't have a chance to redo.

What is even funnier is that he not only has over 11,500+ gods form (basically becoming an entirely new being and even becoming his foe down to whatever aura, body, physical, soul, spirit and racial skills they may have. He basically can become his enemy and gain their powers if his copying is not enough.

Ok is this like passive or sth? And I'm assuming it only extends to the level of the astral body as ZY has yet reached type 1 concepts domain

His attacks can reach through endless dimensions so Darsh won't be able to hide or run anywhere while ZY can and if Darsh can't do the same, he won't even be able to hurt him. Plus him ignoring the concept of space/distance will make even harder to even try to escape/dodge any attack in an equal speed match (not like it matters too much). He also has like 10+ different stat amps.

ZY can make the distance/space between himself and his foe be infinite (create countless layers of space), separate his foe through multiple dimensions making whatever they do be useless as while his foe is still connected and not hurt, it will hard to use anything when you're scattered across other dimensions, stop the time, reverse one's to a state where they never existed or increase their age till they die. Can summon 6 other him from the future, each 1 year older, so Darsh will have to fight not only 1 but 7 in total, each with more experience/power under its belt. Plus he can also summon millions of himself (present self).

Well DS obviously can't affect that insane number of dimensions, it seems like ZY has to actively create them, however. So can he just snap and exactly infinite spaces will appear out of nowhere, separating his foe from him (cuz I see you're using countless and multiple, which is not really infinite). Time/Space stuff is either resisted or nullified btw.

Do all of that versions have to be defeated to win or just the original one?

Can BFR his target within his Seven Path Reincarnation where he can do whatever he wishes and trap his foe into this layered dimension (endless) here he can become nonexistent at will making truly impossible to hurt him if you can't interact with such beings.

BFR is resisted. Darsh basically resists this with layers.

His Saber can work like a mirror that will show his foe deepest secrets, flaws, openings, the things they cultivate (powers), the body, spirit, soul, basically everything for him to know. This is not only done with the saber but himself in his true form - Fuxi Form will also have this ability but even stronger as each scale on his body will gain this property plus the ability to reflect back whatever technique/power will be used against him.

Does this open to the level of understanding type 1 concepts? Atk reflection is resisted too.

Then you have his Daos (Concepts) - Celestial, Demon, Sun, Moon, Lightning, Earth, Wood, Water, Fire, Metal, Mountain, Yin, Yang, Yi (Change), Time, Space, Heaven which he can manipulate. Plus 700 more Daos but not that much explained beyond several.

What do these do? Surfing his profile and only the next part has practical uses it seems. Forgot to mention but darsh has his own passive reflection that can absorb and reflect things on a conceptual level.

While he also has the Daoless Heaven which is something that exists beyond the Dao as it will null everything including Dao, eroding everything in the universe (every manifestation of a Dao), reducing anything to a state of non-being.

Dispel bounds gg I would say, giving direct protections as well as negating/nulling that. DS also has his own resistance to concept manip and HGR is just icy on the top.

The only problem I could see is Darsh High-Godly but a lot of the said things above can deal with it and other skills that ZY has (which are a lot)...in rest ZY has the statistics advantage, skill diversity advantage, item advantages, intellect and combat instinct advantage, etc...

While it's true ZY is probably one of the most skilled/combat-experienced characters I've ever seen (like lol it's crazy), I'd like to point out that despite all that Daos *****, ZY can't deal with type 1 concept abstraction apparently. Those skills won't make up that gap so interacting with DS's highest essence is probably out of question for ZY IMO.

As a result, offensive abilities that work on CM1 level from DS (which are also a lot, I'll be going through them as the debate goes on), might be tough for ZY himself to deal with individually.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Any of his attacks can reach through dimensions, is nothing special in-verse, vastly weaker people have it too, and it only gets stronger as one increases in cultivation.

Nothing new for him to fight with such beings, even the weakest qi cultivator needs to learn to attack the body/soul and the spirit to be effective (as the spirit is an abstract being).

Basically, most of the abilities said excluding the Dao are things all cultivators have from earlier stages and only got more layered and stronger/complex as they rise in cultivation and have a better understanding of Dao. Easily 10+ layers for casual cultivators, here for ZY is 16 as this is the peak of his key before Creator Realm so you will need some serious stuff to block his techniques.

His BFR (and other offensive hax) is not that simple as it even works on Imperial Monarchs which are the second last realm of cultivation making it the 19th. It sends them to the Hell where his powers are augmented further as ZY's Yuan Shen is more potent there. While his Seventh Realm BFR is even stronger, is his second or third strongest ability after Daoless Heaven (1st) and Six Dao Art (2nd or 3rd).

His luck could eat the luck of the Heavenly Monarch who was the most blessed being in the new universe and the ruler of it thanks to Zhong Yue's luck/fate being half of the entire Fuxi Race who had 72 such Monarchs.

His Analytical Prediction is done through calculations who could even calculate stronger foes in cultivation than him by large margins, he's 1st on this. Just by calculations alone he could keep up and overpower a being who passively learned/copied and adapted to anything as naturally as breathing for the Dao itself was giving her whatever it was needed. He will know whatever plan/attack Darsh has before Darsh even know of it himself (done this to 28 guys at the same time who were stronger/faster than him and with a higher realm of cultivation than him). He fought with a guy that was alive since the near beginning of the old universe and they fought for 8 months without stopping each time using a new technique, a new attack, a new defensive, etc as to use the same one would mean death, and he won...this was a vastly weaker him.

ZY has countless god transformations but the most complete are 11,500 which he improved several keys lower. He basically gather the information from what he see/feels and other shenanigans that is basically on how good he can calculate and then transform in the same being his foe is including their skills, soul, body, etc.

Never said infinite dimensions but endless/countless. Like I said above he has more layers and his space/time hax is more varied and complex which Darsh lacks.

You need to defeat the original but the other will remain till the hax-time has ended which only make worse as I said, each him is one year older than the previous him, basically the last one will be 6 years from future.

Currently, his Concept is type 2 on wiki but will be type 1 (as when the key was made for ZY, Type 1 was for tier 1 guys just) once I reach some things (have several other verses first) but till then its just type 2 on threads. But he could understand concepts of the new and old universe very easy thanks to his comprehension, intelligence and vast amount of knowledge plus if he truly needs an even more boost he could create millions of avatars of himself in his psyche each with millions of heads thus an even higher amount of computations done.

Like I said previously the only trouble is High-Godly as its hard to kill him but you don't need to kill him to defeat someone in a match. He could seal him, bfr him and thanks to the endless dimenions he will not be able to come back and even worse if he were to use the Seventh Realm which is on steroids. Concept type 1 is troublesome but ZY has more hax, a higher variety of powers, ways to win, experience and intelligence.

Plus as long as his mind can comprehend something he could visualize it, this is basic stuff anyone in the verse does and ZY has the best computation in his one.

Then if somehow he manages to kill ZY which is hard, even harder with the Seventh Realm which will make him be a nonexistent being, there is also his old body (he shed his old body) making another true him - Gu Yue which is in another Universe (3000 Path Realm), so nothing that Darsh can do will reach him which could simply use his Seventh Realm or the Revival Dao Language to revive ZY endlessly.

Then he also has his other exoteric hax like Yin-Yang which will reverse his attack into nothing. Mirror Art that will reveal his foe Past, Spine Spear that can interact and kill nonexistent beings, his Divine Pupils that will let him see the truth of things, hidden things, arrays, seals, powers, magical things, stacked dimensions, etc, erase the Yuan Shen (abstract self) from the cycle of reincarnation ignoring resistances, protective spells and arrays but this one will not kill Darsh permanently thanks to High-Godly but still effective, it also let him see the time as a physical substance and the trace of Dao in everything. Dao Worshipping where he takes control of others (or even their foe powers from within themselves) in a limited way, but still enough to win. Dao Song which is another power/skill nullification, Art of Reflection which will reflect and shatter the attacks.

Six Dao Art which will destroy all things with forms with a form, surpass all techniques with a technique and defeat all arts with an art. Or use the Daoless Heaven to turn all concepts to nothingness.

 

[PainKiller07]

Currently, his Concept is type 2 on wiki but will be type 1 (as when the key was made for ZY, Type 1 was for tier 1 guys just) once I reach some things (have several other verses first) but till then its just type 2 on threads. But he could understand concepts of the new and old universe very easy thanks to his comprehension, intelligence and vast amount of knowledge plus if he truly needs an even more boost he could create millions of avatars of himself in his psyche each with millions of heads thus an even higher amount of computations done.

Then it's simply concluded that ZY as he is now has no way to cope with type 1 concepts.

Like I said previously the only trouble is High-Godly as its hard to kill him but you don't need to kill him to defeat someone in a match. He could seal him, bfr him and thanks to the endless dimenions he will not be able to come back and even worse if he were to use the Seventh Realm which is on steroids. Concept type 1 is troublesome but ZY has more hax, a higher variety of powers, ways to win, experience and intelligence.

The thing is DS's soul which is a type 1 concept is the utmost important aspect of his very being, it literally treats even the spirit/astral body as a physical vessel. So basically it is the only element needed, the only ''real'' body in a sense, bastard!! characters were granted mid-godly for that same reason. While ZY's hax would probably beat the shit out of DS's other bodies, as long as the soul/concept type 1 remains, he won't properly defeat darsh as the latter can work as the ethereal source that will technically create ''new'' lower aspects, effortlessly.

Souls can work independently from other components that's why I said so.

Basically, most of the abilities said excluding the Dao are things all cultivators have from earlier stages and only got more layered and stronger/complex as they rise in cultivation and have a better understanding of Dao. Easily 10+ layers for casual cultivators, here for ZY is 16 as this is the peak of his key before Creator Realm so you will need some serious stuff to block his techniques.

it's unconventional resistance granted by dispel bounds because you'd have to physically break through every layer, one by one, to touch any of his existential aspects.

His BFR (and other offensive hax) is not that simple as it even works on Imperial Monarchs which are the second last realm of cultivation making it the 19th. It sends them to the Hell where his powers are augmented further as ZY's Yuan Shen is more potent there. While his Seventh Realm BFR is even stronger, is his second or third strongest ability after Daoless Heaven (1st) and Six Dao Art (2nd or 3rd).

Passive nullification up to a conceptual level is still a thing, and it would only be capable of BFR DS's material and/or astral body, as long as the soul-the most fundamental component of existence is intact, those lower essences don't really matter since he can technically create new bodies easily. DS also has D travel so I'm not sure what is keeping him from escaping assuming that works.

His Analytical Prediction is done through calculations who could even calculate stronger foes in cultivation than him by large margins, he's 1st on this. Just by calculations alone he could keep up and overpower a being who passively learned/copied and adapted to anything as naturally as breathing for the Dao itself was giving her whatever it was needed. He will know whatever plan/attack Darsh has before Darsh even know of it himself (done this to 28 guys at the same time who were stronger/faster than him and with a higher realm of cultivation than him). He fought with a guy that was alive since the near beginning of the old universe and they fought for 8 months without stopping each time using a new technique, a new attack, a new defensive, etc as to use the same one would mean death, and he won...this was a vastly weaker him.

Had he ever tried to read the movements of someone who is outside time and space as well as having resistance/nullification to analysis/precognition? The battle between darsh and Uriel occurred in quite the same fashion, they even have their regeneration evolved onto a whole new level (mid-godly -> high-godly) in literal minutes.

Then if somehow he manages to kill ZY which is hard, even harder with the Seventh Realm which will make him be a nonexistent being, there is also his old body (he shed his old body) making another true him - Gu Yue which is in another Universe (3000 Path Realm), so nothing that Darsh can do will reach him which could simply use his Seventh Realm or the Revival Dao Language to revive ZY endlessly.

Although I did see he lacks soul and concept on profile, if he isn't conceptual non-existent to type 1, that aspect would still going to be done ***** by DS. HGR regen neg which is pretty much equal to that considering both are conceptual regeneration/resurrection but one is type 1 and the other is 2.
That true body is a hard obstacle though which makes me wonder why residing in another universe is counted as smurf.

Then he also has his other exoteric hax like Yin-Yang which will reverse his attack into nothing. Mirror Art that will reveal his foe Past, Spine Spear that can interact and kill nonexistent beings, his Divine Pupils that will let him see the truth of things, hidden things, arrays, seals, powers, magical things, stacked dimensions, etc, erase the Yuan Shen (abstract self) from the cycle of reincarnation ignoring resistances, protective spells and arrays but this one will not kill Darsh permanently thanks to High-Godly but still effective, it also let him see the time as a physical substance and the trace of Dao in everything. Dao Worshipping where he takes control of others (or even their foe powers from within themselves) in a limited way, but still enough to win. Dao Song which is another power/skill nullification, Art of Reflection which will reflect and shatter the attacks.

These are nice and all but no, ZY can't even put Darsh down once, not really. Aside from the fact that bastard!! deals with those causally (on a concept level I'd mind), I've already mentioned above, only his soul is the ''true-est'' body and others are just merely vessels, you don't count killing avatars as literally killing the person themselves. So long as ZY can't affect type 1 concept then he won't really kill DS.

Six Dao Art which will destroy all things with forms with a form, surpass all techniques with a technique and defeat all arts with an art. Or use the Daoless Heaven to turn all concepts to nothingness.

now this is something DS's HGR would definitely work as an extreme countermeasure, but it's not that essential as stated above.

Okay wuhh, took me around 2-3 hours to write a post like this, debating with chinamen is so depressing I'll admit.
Btw, I'd like you to do me a favor. IRL works are coming soon so I won't have time to debate on threads anymore, especially ones of this type. Can you close this for now? You can reply before that. As it is now, I don't exactly want to continue the fight between two hax gods characters due to the lack of mental strength and time.
Thank you