Tier Low 6-B Tournament of Regeneration 2022: Licht vs Yu Kanda

[Arnoldstone18]

Fought Boric while badly injured.

You said if it’s not one shot it’s not severely hurting him. Yet you say this.

Boric attacks with his strongest attack and Yu withstands it for a while but it kept getting stronger so his swords would be able to do similar feat to conquering eon or just flat out slap away weaker attacks. This was ofc with lvl 3, after he had already been fighting for a while.

i don’t remember him going stronger to the point of reaching 4.3 Terratons. So you can’t equate it to Sword Conquering eon. He just blasted him with a final attack.

infact I don’t think he got stronger at all, Yu just kept getting damaged as he hit Boris. He can’t tank any Boris’ AP. Even in level 3 he couldn’t tank it, he was even worried due to the fact that he couldn’t heal. He nearly passed out after a short fight because so much of his life was absorbed.

Well I’m so going off the fact that Asta and Yuno struggle with deflecting attacks from Zagred and Licht, if lifting strength doesnt correlate then its fine Yu ap would just allow him to deflect as well

You’re yet to prove this AP boost to be more significant than an amped Licht (reinforcement magic + negative mana enhancing that magic).


Yu is not tagging Licht and will suffer after a few muinites or so. He can’t fly, and jumping won’t do a damn thing because Licht has high mobility with his flight + all the other abilities I keep repeating.

Licht will not resort to melee once he notices his danmaku works.

Yu’s high tendency to use his life draining levels will be his undoing.

Licht speed is amped greatly.
If our amps cancel each other out
Then Licht is still superior with stealth mastery, resistance to ESP and precognition, teleportation, danmaku, and flight.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Alright

Licht FRA

me and speed voted

have I been able to convince you guys?

 

[DemonicDude]

I will update the vote in a few mins going outside right now..

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I will update the vote in a few mins going outside right now..

I need to do that too

need me some grass

 

[speedster352]

I need to do that too

need me some grass

Ping the people who voted for yu

 

[LordGinSama]

Yeah no, I'll reply to this when I get out of work because I'm seeing a lot of shit that's inherently wrong.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Licht has blitzed Zagred without any of his amps, using teleportation, flight and stealth effectively. This is why I asked you if some of Yu’s amps can work against a comparable character with teleportation, flight, stealth mastery, etc. Imagine if Licht uses reinforcement magic on top of that. with negative mana to boost his magic.

Okay so the part about Zagred isn’t relevant in the slightest. Whatever speed Licht’s base is = what Yu’s base is. That’s how speed equal works.

I know he uses them, but it’s a weakness more so than an advantage. these amps drain his life force.
and the after effects are pretty bad… well if he doesn’t die in the process.

Okay and he will kill Licht instantly if if he does use it so it’s only gonna drain his life force for half a second. This doesn’t counter the amps.

Negative mana is mana obtained from the underworld. It is used to cast forbidden magic. It boost the users’ magic tremendously, at the risk of curroption. Elves are capable of handling negative mana without any side effect except they use it at the highest level, in which they struggle and eventually turn into an Ancient Demon and go berserk.

so I was like Licht uses negative mana to amp his reinforcement magic even greater.

So the Negative Mana makes him stronger only? If so, this won’t get to come into play because of the blitz. If not, then it might be relevant depending on how much of an amp it is.

Nice quote. Albeit the elephant is dying while the rhino can fly and get fatter with more negative mana.

An analogy, not a quote. And the elephant still drops the Rhino on its neck immediately and takes it off the census.

Edit: whoops. Hit enter by accident. Gonna edit this with the proper response so don’t reply to this.

Edit 2: Respond now

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yeah no, I'll reply to this when I get out of work because I'm seeing a lot of shit that's inherently wrong.

I’ll be waiting

 

[Arkenis]

i don’t remember him going stronger to the point of reaching 4.3 Terratons. So you can’t equate it to Sword Conquering eon. He just blasted him with a final attack.

I'm not equating. Just saying that Boric's strongest attack which is already above Base Yu is able to be blocked by Yu in lvl 3. That final attack was also getting stronger.

I'll put it into better showing of scaling.

Base Yu's durability is 1.7 Teratons, Yu's illusions increase his ap and this can be used to block attacks, he'll block Conquering eon with his amps. And if you haven't realized 1.7 Teratons to 4.3 teratons is only a 2.5x difference and I'm arguing Yu's amps put him above attacks that would've one shot him.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Okay so the part about Zagred isn’t relevant in the slightest. Whatever speed Licht’s base is = what Yu’s base is. That’s how speed equal works.

Not sure why you hopped in without context.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Not sure why you hopped in without context.

Bro. You are the one who said he blitzed him without amps. That means it doesn’t mean shit here since speed equal makes Yu just as fast as Licht without amps.

 

[LordGinSama]

I’ll be waiting

You can rest easy knowing that I'll be thinking about u bby.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Pls no homo

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Okay so the part about Zagred isn’t relevant in the slightest. Whatever speed Licht’s base is = what Yu’s base is. That’s how speed equal works.

I was referring to Licht using the the abilities in his Arsenal to “blitz” Zagred, who is comparable to him.

since Licht can’t be sensed, spam-teleports + danmaku. He is able to blitz someone who is comparable to him

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Edit: whoops. Hit enter by accident. Gonna edit this with the proper response so don’t reply to this.

Oops

i already did my bad

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Base Yu's durability is 1.7 Teratons, Yu's illusions increase his ap and this can be used to block attacks, he'll block Conquering eon with his amps

Eon is 4.3 Terratons

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I'm arguing Yu's amps put him above attacks that would've one shot him.

I wonder how you are going to argue this ethically

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I was referring to Licht using the the abilities in his Arsenal to “blitz” Zagred, who is comparable to him.

since Licht can’t be sensed, spam-teleports + danmaku. He is able to blitz someone who is comparable to him

Explain what Arsenal is. Also if you put blitz in air quotes, that means it isn’t actually a blitz so your argument falls apart.

 

[Arkenis]

Eon is 4.3 Terratons

Is eon and conquering eon two different attacks?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

speed equal makes Yu just as fast as Licht without amps.

And I’m saying with teleportation, danmaku, FLIGHT, stealth mastery, etc should “blitz” Yu. Not in the sense of raw speed, more like Yu can’t dodge danmaku from above him, Yu can’t easily detect him, and Teleportation negs the time it takes to cross distances.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Is eon and conquering eon two different attacks?

No

that means it isn’t actually a blitz so your argument falls apart.

No. It simply means there is context

Refer to me post above for context

 

[Arkenis]

And I’m saying with teleportation, danmaku, FLIGHT, stealth mastery, etc should “blitz” Yu. Not in the sense of raw speed, more like Yu can’t dodge danmaku from above him, Yu can’t easily detect him, and Teleportation negs the time it takes to cross distances.

Pick one or the other, first you argue he's gonna fly around now he's gonna teleport?

 

[Arkenis]

No

Then why say that? Please reread what I said so you understand my ap argument for Yu's illusions.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Then why say that? Please reread what I said so you understand my ap argument for Yu's illusions.

Ignore, I responded too quickly.
Refer to the post below my response.
Or
How do you intend to make an argument quantifying the boost past 2.5?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Pick one or the other, first you argue he's gonna fly around now he's gonna teleport?

Why can’t I argue for multiple wincons

 

[speedster352]

Why can’t I argue for multiple wincons

Licht can fly and teleport

Pick one or the other, first you argue he's gonna fly around now he's gonna teleport?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yep

 

[speedster352]

Yep

Yep what?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You can rest easy knowing that I'll be thinking about u bby.

Be gentle.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yep what?

Oh speedster

i was responding to you

 

[DemonicDude]

LordGin x Arnold

 

[AnonymousBlank]

And I’m saying with teleportation, danmaku, FLIGHT, stealth mastery, etc should “blitz” Yu. Not in the sense of raw speed, more like Yu can’t dodge danmaku from above him, Yu can’t easily detect him, and Teleportation negs the time it takes to cross distances.

1. So he doesn’t blitz which means my statement in the other post you quoted is true and you are simply wrong. Context doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t blitz.

2. Yu thinks and he is too fast for any of this to even affect him. Teleportation may be instant but that doesn’t mean Licht’s reactions and thinking speed scale to it. If he did, Yu would simply scale above the teleportation and wouldn’t that be absolutely hilarious.

 

[Arkenis]

Why can’t I argue for multiple wincons

if he teleports then he's in Yu's range so he's getting smacked by Yu's attacks.

 

[speedster352]

if he teleports then he's in Yu's range so he's getting smacked by Yu's attacks.

Which licht can absorb but he will most likely range spam

 

[Arnoldstone18]

1. So he doesn’t blitz which means my statement in the other post you quoted is true and you are simply wrong. Context doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t blitz.

2. Yu thinks and he is too fast for any of this to even affect him. Teleportation may be instant but that doesn’t mean Licht’s reactions and thinking speed scale to it. If he did, Yu would simply scale above the teleportation and wouldn’t that be absolutely hilarious.

My argument is equivalent to those saying those anapredict is faster than those without at speed equalized.

Since you don’t want me to use the word, fine.

explain why Yu’s amps are vastly above negative mana enhanced reinforcement magic

Licht amps his speed with reinforcement and further borrows power from the underworld to amp his reinforcement magic even further.

I’m tired of repeating myself.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

if he teleports then he's in Yu's range so he's getting smacked by Yu's attacks.

He can teleport undetected and strike, unless yu has someone to push him out of the way.. I don’t see why Licht won’t get an amped strike in. Like I said before, if they are at a distance, Licht throws danmaku and you have yet to prove how Yu has amped his durability.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

My argument is equivalent to those saying those anapredict is faster than those without at speed equalized.

That’s not the argument at all though …

explain why Yu’s amps are vastly above negative mana enhanced reinforcement magic

I’ve already explained that Yu has a blitzworthy amp with a further two amps on top of that. All you’ve said is that reinforcement makes Licht faster.

Licht amps his speed with reinforcement and further borrows power from the underworld to amp his reinforcement magic even further.

Okay and you still haven’t told me or anyone else about how much of an amp this is. Unless you can show Licht is able to blitz someone comparable to him with an amp, he isn’t going to be faster than Yu.

I’m tired of repeating myself.

No one is making you repeat yourself. We want you to tell us how much faster Licht’s speed amps make him. Slightly? Considerably? Let’s him fight a dozen comparable people on equal footing? Blitzes an army of comparable people who precog a thousand steps ahead? It’s not that hard.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Arno, you don't need to create multiple comments at once. Read everything first, and then make an argument in a single comment

 

[Nierre]

NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF A STOMP EVERYONE MAKES IT SEEM, DO NOT GIVE UP TILL YOU HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL YOUR OPTIONS…

SURPASS YOU LIMITS!!!!!!

 

[Nierre]

Arnold, DD, fanta, nierre, me and should I keep going?

I never say it should be equalized