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Tier Low 6-B Tournament of Regeneration 2022: Licht vs Yu Kanda

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Arnoldstone18 said:
Dark matter = devil magic

Both malicious forms of energy possessed by devil/akumas. Both capable of fighting saint stage/innocence, however they are still vulnerable to it.
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Doesn't matter towards this fight since Yu Kanda doesn't use anything that's comparable to Dark Matter.

Arnoldstone18 said:
Innocence = Saint Stage

Both are methods of purification and both are forms of holy manipulation

The more a mage/exorcist becomes synchronized with the Saint stage/innocence the more their spirit weapons (Yuno and Noelle’s spirit sword)/anti akuma are effective against Devils/Akumas or Devil magic/Dark matter.
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Sure.

Arnoldstone18 said:
Magic = magic

They function similarly. They can hinder but can not destroy Devils because they are invulnerable to magic so a mage/exorcist needs innocence/Saint stage’s holy manipulation and purification to destroy devils. They both can interact with Devil magic/dark matter (can’t be used to kill akumas/devils tho) and innocence/Saint stage (cross Marian can control Maria’s grave, a paracytic type innocence, with magic, etc)
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Magic does effectively destroy Akuma, its just that Innocence purifies the soul within the Akuma while magic doesn't. That isn't something to be used as proof that the verse's energy source can be equalized since both can be interacted with their respective "dark" energy sources of the verse, both aren't intangible and both physically exist which means literally anything can interact with it, Quirks can interact with Dark Matter and Negative Mana but it doesn't mean we would equalize the two because of it.

Honestly unless you could prove that Elf's Power Nullification could null Saint Stage stuff this isn't helping Licht at all.

Not that Licht's Power Nullification is any helpful here since Yu Kanda is extremely resistant towards Power Nullification and it seems like Elf's Power Nullification is based around having massively more mana than your opponent, which wouldn't be the case here since Yu Kanda is stronger than Licht in-terms of AP.
 
Deceived said:
Doesn't matter towards this fight since Yu Kanda doesn't use anything that's comparable to Dark Matter.


Sure.


Magic does effectively destroy Akuma, its just that Innocence purifies the soul within the Akuma while magic doesn't. That isn't something to be used as proof that the verse's energy source can be equalized since both can be interacted with their respective "dark" energy sources of the verse, both aren't intangible and both physically exist which means literally anything can interact with it, Quirks can interact with Dark Matter and Negative Mana but it doesn't mean we would equalize the two because of it.

Honestly unless you could prove that Elf's Power Nullification could null Saint Stage stuff this isn't helping Licht at all.

Not that Licht's Power Nullification is any helpful here since Yu Kanda is extremely resistant towards Power Nullification and it seems like Elf's Power Nullification is based around having massively more mana than your opponent, which wouldn't be the case here since Yu Kanda is stronger than Licht in-terms of AP.
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Licht can amp himself and has causality manipulation on his profile
 
speedster352 said:
Licht can amp himself and has causality manipulation on his profile
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Doesn't Matter at all.

It doesn't stop the speedblitz and one shot.

Especially since Demon Dwellers Causality Manipulation isn't even passive but rather action-based, which is useless as explained above.
 
Deceived said:
Doesn't Matter at all.

It doesn't stop the speedblitz and one shot.

Especially since Demon Dwellers Causality Manipulation isn't even passive but rather action-based, which is useless as explained above.
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Licht can teleport and he starts off with it and he has forcefield creation and supernatural luck
 
speedster352 said:
Licht can teleport and he starts off with it and he has forcefield creation and supernatural luck
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None of that matters as i explain previously in multiple post above.

Speedster, actually make a argument for Licht that doesn't used already addressed and debunked points.

This is getting annoying.
 
Can you give examples of what his luck does in battles? Cuz if you don’t have anything besides the 4 leaf clover statement, it doesn’t matter. His forcefield is basically just an aura that floats rocks around him. Teleporting is nice and all but blitz GG.
 
speedster352 said:
He starts of with teleport and speed<teleport all the time
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He needs to react to Yu Kanda before he can active his Teleportian since it isn't passive but rather requires his reaction and activation of the ability.

He doesn't get that chance.

That's the entire argument and you're not understanding that.
 
Deceived said:
Honestly unless you could prove that Elf's Power Nullification could null Saint Stage stuff this isn't helping Licht at all
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Power nullification still works on Saint stage. (Lucifero’s passive forcefield vs Yuno).


Deceived said:
while magic doesn't
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Saint Stage purifies, not the regular magic.

Okay below are points that will occur once the energies are equalized.

Demon Dweller & Demon Destroyer (Licht is very capable of dual wielding)

Licht can absorb the power of allies (Elves) or enemies (Yuno when they first met) and use it against them, with or without the need of absorbing the attacks themselves. As shown with Asta absorbing Noelle’s and Gauche’s magic with demon dweller without actually absorbing an attack. He can also infuse his power into the sword on top of what is already absorbed from the enemy to deal greater damage (similar to How he did it when he absorbed all the elves in the area in addition to his own power in the sword and When Asta mixing the properties of anti magic and Gauche magic to effectively deal with the salamander and the mud monster, cuz Gauche’s magic is utterly incompatible with those monsters). The amount of AP boost Licht will obtain as a result is 1.7 Teratons + 1.3 Teratons = 3 teratons (Low 6B). As a bonus he drains Yu’s powers if stabbed with demon dweller.



Moreover, Licht causality breaking should work on Yu’s amps and revert him back to normal (Asta was capable of reverting Patri back from an amped state with demon destroyer’s causality breaking. Patri’s amped state was known as Dark Elf). Licht stomps Yu’s base state with amps of his own (reinforcement magic, utilizing the mana in the surrounding to aid him and boosting his magic even higher with Forbidden Magic). As a bonus Licht can EVEN outlast Yu’s level 3/4/5 amp that excessively drains his life force.



Yes, he outlasts, cuz Yu’s speed amps are not a problem. Licht will keep up with Yu by enhancing his speed (and power) with reinforcement magic. Additionally, passive forcefield, teleportation, stealth mastery, range spamming + danmaku light slashes while flying acrobatically (yo can Yu even fly???) will help Licht keep away or pseudo blitz Yu.

Level 2/3/4/5 amps are unquantifiable, so there is no way of knowing how these amps are above reinforcement magic, extreme boosting with Forbidden magic and using the natural mana from the surroundings.

Summary:
Licht’s wincons are as follows:



  1. Capable of outlasting Yu’s life draining Level 3/4/5 with flight, teleportation, reinforcement magic (that amps speed and power), stealth mastery, etc. the after effects of using those amps should weaken him heavily for Licht to stomp him. Assuming he doesn’t kill himself first.
  2. Capable of landing a 3 Teraton attack with Demon dweller (Yu’s power combined with Licht’s).
  3. Capable of Negating Yu’s amp levels with causality breaking so that reinforcement magical attacks will defeat him, as well as utilizing the surrounding natural mana to aid him, and boosting his magic power tremendously with forbidden magic
  4. This will be revealed later.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Power nullification still works on Saint stage. (Lucifero’s passive forcefield vs Yuno).



Saint Stage purifies, not the regular magic.

Okay below are points that will occur once the energies are equalized.

Demon Dweller & Demon Destroyer (Licht is very capable of dual wielding)

Licht can absorb the power of allies (Elves) or enemies (Yuno when they first met) and use it against them, with or without the need of absorbing the attacks themselves. As shown with Asta absorbing Noelle’s and Gauche’s magic with demon dweller without actually absorbing an attack. He can also infuse his power into the sword on top of what is already absorbed from the enemy to deal greater damage (similar to How he did it when he absorbed all the elves in the area in addition to his own power in the sword and When Asta mixing the properties of anti magic and Gauche magic to effectively deal with the salamander and the mud monster, cuz Gauche’s magic is utterly incompatible with those monsters). The amount of AP boost Licht will obtain as a result is 1.7 Teratons + 1.3 Teratons = 3 teratons (Low 6B). As a bonus he drains Yu’s powers if stabbed with demon dweller.



Moreover, Licht causality breaking should work on Yu’s amps and revert him back to normal (Asta was capable of reverting Patri back from an amped state with demon destroyer’s causality breaking. Patri’s amped state was known as Dark Elf). Licht stomps Yu’s base state with amps of his own (reinforcement magic, utilizing the mana in the surrounding to aid him and boosting his magic even higher with Forbidden Magic). As a bonus Licht can EVEN outlast Yu’s level 3/4/5 amp that excessively drains his life force.



Yes, he outlasts, cuz Yu’s speed amps are not a problem. Licht will keep up with Yu by enhancing his speed (and power) with reinforcement magic. Additionally, passive forcefield, teleportation, stealth mastery, range spamming + danmaku light slashes while flying acrobatically (yo can Yu even fly???) will help Licht keep away or pseudo blitz Yu.

Level 2/3/4/5 amps are unquantifiable, so there is no way of knowing how these amps are above reinforcement magic, extreme boosting with Forbidden magic and using the natural mana from the surroundings.

Summary:
Licht’s wincons are as follows:



  1. Capable of outlasting Yu’s life draining Level 3/4/5 with flight, teleportation, reinforcement magic (that amps speed and power), stealth mastery, etc. the after effects of using those amps should weaken him heavily for Licht to stomp him. Assuming he doesn’t kill himself first.
  2. Capable of landing a 3 Teraton attack with Demon dweller (Yu’s power combined with Licht’s).
  3. Capable of Negating Yu’s amp levels with causality breaking so that reinforcement magical attacks will defeat him, as well as utilizing the surrounding natural mana to aid him, and boosting his magic power tremendously with forbidden magic
  4. This will be revealed later.
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I'll address this in a couple hours since there's a lot wrong here but i currently don't have the free time to do so.
 
Give me the arguments for both sides, because at the moment the Litch's votes seem like total bull shit to be frank.


I really don't see how he's countering a FTE (Via illusions.) opponent with a massive skill advantage amongst hax that'll one shot him.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Dark matter = devil magic

Both malicious forms of energy possessed by devil/akumas. Both capable of fighting saint stage/innocence, however they are still vulnerable to it.
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No, Dark Matter is not based upon negative emotions, that's only part of it which stems upon the ability to draw power and stamina upon negative emotions in general. Dark Matter and Devil Magic are both very different from one another, Magic in general already exists within DGM and it's completely different than Dark Matter and Innocence. Dark Matter is the polar opposite of Innocence and Innocence isn't based upon anything magical based.


Not that it really matters here given that Yu doesn't use Dark Matter.
Arnoldstone18 said:
Innocence = Saint Stage
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I fail to see how they equalize. Saint Stage doesn't passively Manipulate causality itself to create unexplainable phenomenons, nor is it power given by a portion of God. The only similarities are that both are "Holy." which is not enough for the energies to be equalized.


Even if it were to be equalized, Innocence still has hax that Saint Stage cannot replicate nor resist, so again irrelevant.
Arnoldstone18 said:
Both are methods of purification and both are forms of holy manipulation.
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Not enough for equalization.
Arnoldstone18 said:
The more a mage/exorcist becomes synchronized with the Saint stage/innocence the more their spirit weapons (Yuno and Noelle’s spirit sword)/anti akuma are effective against Devils/Akumas or Devil magic/Dark matter.
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Which is attributed to Reactive Evolution / adaption for Saint Stage.
 
Yu fra. not seeing how Licht's dealing with the ap amps Yu gets, nor how he's gonna deal with the explosions he can make in his wounds
 
Also why Yu gotta fly? He blocking all Licht's attacks and plus lichts best attacks come from his swords I thought
 
LordGinSama said:
No, Dark Matter is not based upon negative emotions, that's only part of it which stems upon the ability to draw power and stamina upon negative emotions in general. Dark Matter and Devil Magic are both very different from one another, Magic in general already exists within DGM and it's completely different than Dark Matter and Innocence. Dark Matter is the polar opposite of Innocence and Innocence isn't based upon anything magical based.
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Yeah… No. but I won’t go further for reasons you’ve already said below


LordGinSama said:
Not that it really matters here given that Yu doesn't use Dark Matter.
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LordGinSama said:
Flight is irrelevant whenever Yu can jump high as shit into the air amongst speed blitzing worthy amps.
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Can he jump as high as the clouds tho…

I’ve tackled this speed blitzing shenanigans in my argument below.
Arnoldstone18 said:
Demon Dweller & Demon Destroyer (Licht is very capable of dual wielding)

Licht can absorb the power of allies (Elves) or enemies (Yuno when they first met) and use it against them, with or without the need of absorbing the attacks themselves. As shown with Asta absorbing Noelle’s and Gauche’s magic with demon dweller without actually absorbing an attack. He can also infuse his power into the sword on top of what is already absorbed from the enemy to deal greater damage (similar to How he did it when he absorbed all the elves in the area in addition to his own power in the sword and When Asta mixing the properties of anti magic and Gauche magic to effectively deal with the salamander and the mud monster, cuz Gauche’s magic is utterly incompatible with those monsters). The amount of AP boost Licht will obtain as a result is 1.7 Teratons + 1.3 Teratons = 3 teratons (Low 6B). As a bonus he drains Yu’s powers if stabbed with demon dweller.



Moreover, Licht causality breaking should work on Yu’s amps and revert him back to normal (Asta was capable of reverting Patri back from an amped state with demon destroyer’s causality breaking. Patri’s amped state was known as Dark Elf). Licht stomps Yu’s base state with amps of his own (reinforcement magic, utilizing the mana in the surrounding to aid him and boosting his magic even higher with Forbidden Magic). As a bonus Licht can EVEN outlast Yu’s level 3/4/5 amp that excessively drains his life force.



Yes, he outlasts, cuz Yu’s speed amps are not a problem. Licht will keep up with Yu by enhancing his speed (and power) with reinforcement magic. Additionally, passive forcefield, teleportation, stealth mastery, range spamming + danmaku light slashes while flying acrobatically (yo can Yu even fly???) will help Licht keep away or pseudo blitz Yu.

Level 2/3/4/5 amps are unquantifiable, so there is no way of knowing how these amps are above reinforcement magic, extreme boosting with Forbidden magic and using the natural mana from the surroundings.

Summary:
Licht’s wincons are as follows:



  1. Capable of outlasting Yu’s life draining Level 3/4/5 with flight, teleportation, reinforcement magic (that amps speed and power), stealth mastery, etc. the after effects of using those amps should weaken him heavily for Licht to stomp him. Assuming he doesn’t kill himself first.
  2. Capable of landing a 3 Teraton attack with Demon dweller (Yu’s power combined with Licht’s).
  3. Capable of Negating Yu’s amp levels with causality breaking so that reinforcement magical attacks will defeat him, as well as utilizing the surrounding natural mana to aid him, and boosting his magic power tremendously with forbidden magic
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