This small problem I have with the Final Egg Blaster and the Chaos Emeralds

[Rodri_"Dante"]

IMPORTANT: I'm not trying to make the Super Forms drop tiers (They would still be 4-A if this is accepted), I'm just trying to adjust their AP.

So here's the deal:
The Chaos Emeralds are treated as supperior to the Final Egg Blaster for reasons that have been repeated over and over. Simple, right?
There's a small problem though. When Emerl copies the Final Egg Blaster, it takes a full minute to charge and fire. If the power output of the Chaos Emeralds was truly superior to the fully charged Final Egg Blaster, then the charge should be instantaneous.

What I propose:
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Scale the Chaos Emeralds to 1/60 of the power of the Final Egg Blaster (AKA, the energy the Final Egg Blaster could build in one second). This downgrades the 4-A characters from 5.7080720809357496588257095579433 ExaFoe to 95.13453468 PetaFoe.

The justification would change to "Multi-Solar System level (Can build up the energy required to fire the Final Egg Blaster in a single minute)"

That's all.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'm... Confused. You do know the Final Egg Blaster isn't powered by the Chaos Emeralds, correct?

 

[ShakeResounding]

To boot, there's even a note on the profile as to why we scale the Chaos Emeralds above the FEB due to there being about three threads on it in the past and contention about the Chaos Emeralds scaling to it. And after about two months of arguing (give or take some weeks) across multiple threads, it was deemed valid.

 

[Rodri_"Dante"]

I'm... Confused. You do know the Final Egg Blaster isn't powered by the Chaos Emeralds, correct?

Yes, I'm saying that if the Chaos Emeralds are superior to the fully loaded Final Egg Blaster, then Emerl, who has all 7, should be able to charge the attack immediately

And "Eggman calls their power 'unimaginable' and he can build 4-A weapons" is fine until you realize that:
1. The statement was made 4 full games before Battle.
2. The 4-A weapon that he build has a lightyears-wide range and a single shot per minute, meaning it isn't useful under mosts contexts.

 

[Theuser789]

Yes, I'm saying that if the Chaos Emeralds are superior to the fully loaded Final Egg Blaster, then Emerl, who has all 7, should be able to charge the attack immediately

Emerl has all seven inside of him to unlock his abilities, he wasn't using any emeralds to power the FEB, this argument is non sensical

And "Eggman calls their power 'unimaginable' and he can build 4-A weapons" is fine until you realize that:
1. The statement was made 4 full games before Battle.
2. The 4-A weapon that he build has a lightyears-wide range and a single shot per minute, meaning it isn't useful under mosts contexts.

No, the statment is made in Sonic Advance 3, a game canonically after Battle, you are ignoring context

 

[Rodri_"Dante"]

Emerl has all seven inside of him to unlock his abilities, he wasn't using any emeralds to power the FEB, this argument is non sensical

Every attack he ever copied is implemented in his body and, by extension, powered by the Chaos Emeralds.

Unless... he didn't actually copy the FEB and just pointed it at Earth. Which would be weird.

No, the statment is made in Sonic Advance 3, a game canonically after Battle, you are ignoring context

Then why when I look the image up I end up reading the Sonic Advance manual?

 

[Theuser789]

Unless... he didn't actually copy the FEB and just pointed

That's literally what he did, you DO know that Emerl isn't 4-A, right?

 

[Rodri_"Dante"]

Any other attack he copies is impemented inside his body, why would I assume the FEB is different?

 

[Theuser789]

Because the power caused him to overload? The exact reason he isn't 4-A?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Emerl wasn’t using the Emeralds to charge the FEB so I don’t get this premise.

1. The statement was made 4 full games before Battle.

It’s repeatedly stated Eggman seeks the Emeralds for their “ultimate power” before and after Battle, they should be superior to his inventions.

Any other attack he copies is impemented inside his body, why would I assume the FEB is different?

There’s a limit to Emerl’s absorption. After capturing an unknown amount of energy from the FEB’s blast Emerl was overloaded, which of course ultimately resulted in his death. He couldn’t successfully replicate the weapon’s power and ended up destroying himself as a result.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I think it is more of a Final Egg Blastor problem than anything to do with Chaos emeralds, analogously like a faucet size being unaffected even if you increase the volume of water in tank.

Or take Colt M4 for example, even if you increase the magazine capacity and increase the gunpowder in the shell to increase bullet momentum when shot, the rate of fire remains the same of the gun mechanism.
That does not mean we downgrade the muzzle energy and capacity of the gun.

So I disagree with downgrades.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This thread’s premise is kinda just completely false since the Emeralds weren’t charging the FEB.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Well then have to firmly disagree then.....

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Disagree FRA

The Chaos Emeralds didn't charge the FEB, so the entire premise of this CRT is false

 

[Rodri_"Dante"]

This thread’s premise is kinda just completely false since the Emeralds weren’t charging the FEB.

The premise was based on Emerl copying the FEB inside his body like any other technique he aquires, I didn't know his copying ability suddenly worked different for a singular weapon during the entire game.

 

[Theuser789]

That's literally why Emerl doesn't have a 4-A rating

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Obvious Disagree FRA

 

[Rodri_"Dante"]

That's literally why Emerl doesn't have a 4-A rating

I mean, I personally would have handled him "5-B, 4-A with the Final Egg Blaster", not outright 4-A, but whatever.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I mean, I personally would have handled him "5-B, 4-A with the Final Egg Blaster", not outright 4-A, but whatever.

actually, he WAS going to use the Final Egg Blaster, so yeah he being 4-A with it seems okay

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So....

Are we done here?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Yep.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yep.

Alright then. Close the thread.