The PoC Chronicles: Tier 1 The Reckoning

[Ultima_Reality]

Having gone through a quick read on this thread, I will just say this: Don't make decisions or revisions based on what you think the standards should or will be in the future, rather than what the standards presently are. As it stands, we allow a higher-dimensional space whose hypervolume is infinite to qualify for higher tiers.

Yes, I have initiated discussion regarding our standards about higher dimensions on another thread, but this is a topic that is of a much broader span than Devil May Cry alone, and that hasn't even fully developed, as of yet. So this single verse shouldn't preemptively adapt itself to some nebulous idea of a revision that still hasn't even happened. It should be revised based on precedent, instead, and if DMC happens to qualify for the above factors, then, so be it, and change it accordingly whenever a rewriting of the standards is formally accepted.

I don't know Devil May Cry, and I don't care much for debating in-verse specifics, so, I believe that will be all from me.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I guess the thing we just made up lmao :v found about demons being infinite and lesser demons only seemingly being infinite yet talking about the human world as insignificant isn't needed anymore?

@RedReaper i also blame your ass for my presence here

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

So I guess we enjoy 1C DMC for 1-2 months before standards change and we go back to 2C. Cool.

 

[Random-Helper323]

So I guess we enjoy 1C DMC for 1-2 months before standards change and we go back to 2C. Cool.

If that's definitely what will happen that seems kind of pointless, doesn't it?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Tell that mofos who got soccer balled and kicked between 3A DMC and 7A DMC for 4 years straight every month before 2019.

By mofos I mean Light, Klol and Tony among others not present on this thread.

1 month of 1C doesn't faze us nor will its reversal to 2C.

 

[Ibrahem]

Assuming DMC becomes 1C, i doubt it'd go back to 2C after the changes in standards. It should still be L1C at least

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

so what now is dmc get L1C or 1C ?

 

[CosmicWreck]

Having gone through a quick read on this thread, I will just say this: Don't make decisions or revisions based on what you think the standards should or will be in the future, rather than what the standards presently are. As it stands, we allow a higher-dimensional space whose hypervolume is infinite to qualify for higher tiers.

Yes, I have initiated discussion regarding our standards about higher dimensions on another thread, but this is a topic that is of a much broader span than Devil May Cry alone, and that hasn't even fully developed, as of yet. So this single verse shouldn't preemptively adapt itself to some nebulous idea of a revision that still hasn't even happened. It should be revised based on precedent, instead, and if DMC happens to qualify for the above factors, then, so be it, and change it accordingly whenever a rewriting of the standards is formally accepted.

I don't know Devil May Cry, and I don't care much for debating in-verse specifics, so, I believe that will be all from me.

I'm not going to lie. Considering this entire thread was hinging on this one poster, this was anti-climatic and almost completely useless.

Let's just go with Low 1-C likely 1-C as a compromise.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

None of it even adds to AP and won't show up on the actual profile. This entire endeavour was to make the hax 9D.

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

well nobody want the L1C ap for dmc though so it ok :v

 

[Random-Helper323]

It sounded like the question of the standards only made the difference between Low 1-C and proper 1-C. If the demon world is at least a five-dimensional structure which holds four-dimensional structures as tiny subsets, and Nightmare can lift and destroy it, then that should apply to AP, shouldn't it?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

None of it even adds to AP and won't show up on the actual profile. This entire endeavour was to make the hax 9D.

I think you are misunderstanding/mixing threads. Mine was to get only hax with a realm that was separated from the main cosmology, this thing basically made the Demon world (the world that every single God tier can **** up no problem) tier 1.

If only people had agreed with me there...

 

[KLOL506]

I think you are misunderstanding/mixing threads. Mine was to get only hax with a realm that was separated from the main cosmology, this thing basically made the Demon world (the world that every single God tier can **** up no problem) tier 1.

If only people had agreed with me there...

Unfortunately, Tony is right for once. Only the 9-D stuff was for hax assuming it was on a higher realm than DW and HW, but now we're discussing a completely different topic based on statements that already existed for the DW's size prior to PoC, like it being infinitely larger than the HW and it viewing the HW as an insignificant portion of its former self, and the like.

But even those standards are currently undergoing revisions so who the hell knows what's gonna happen next?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Unfortunately, Tony is right for once. Only the 9-D stuff was for hax assuming it was on a higher realm than DW and HW, but now we're discussing a completely different topic based on statements that already existed for the DW's size prior to PoC, like it being infinitely larger than the HW and it viewing the HW as an insignificant portion of its former self, and the like.

But even those standards are currently undergoing revisions so who the hell knows what's gonna happen next?

This thread runs with the idea of the Demon world containing chaos as per the Manga and its infinite size. Kinda like mine but the world that was supposed to be disconnected is now only part of the Demon world

 

[Random-Helper323]

I think you are misunderstanding/mixing threads. Mine was to get only hax with a realm that was separated from the main cosmology, this thing basically made the Demon world (the world that every single God tier can **** up no problem) tier 1.

If only people had agreed with me there...

The thing that might change this is future DMC titles featuring beings from a higher dimension. But for now that higher dimension existing is uncertain, we know a 9D dimension of chaos exists and we know the demon world is higher dimensional. We don't know if there is anything above the demon world, so with what we currently have it seems to point to the demon world. At least for now.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The thing that might change this is future DMC titles featuring beings from a higher dimension. But for now that higher dimension existing is uncertain, we know a 9D dimension of chaos exists and we know the demon world is higher dimensional. We don't know if there is anything above the demon world, so with what we currently have it seems to point to the demon world. At least for now.

I meant the threads I made with Gilver.

My idea (and the one I still believe) is that chaos is the higher dimension that farts souls into existence and its beyond the Demon world while the Demon world by itself is beyond the human world.

Something like chaos was 1C, Demon world L1C and human world being L2C with DMC capping at L1C at best.

 

[Sevil Natas]

Based on everything ive read i think we should take ultmas advice and apply the current standards IE just 1C since the demon world is infinite. Also i should note that this upgrade does affect AP as nightmare is able to destro the entire demon world

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

None of it even adds to AP and won't show up on the actual profile. This entire endeavour was to make the hax 9D.

You seem to have traveled back in time to wrong month and wrong thread. Come back to us Mr Ovens... come back to present.

We ALREADY have..... 9D hax...... since 4-5 months. Even though it was just smurf range...not potency.

Now its gonna be 1C AP and 1C hax potency....for limited time....

Let's just go with Low 1-C likely 1-C as a compromise.

I don't understand under what disadvantage DMC must hinge on low1C after Ultima's comment.
Its 1C in full... even if only untill standards remain in current state. OP proposed 1C DW only...nothing low1C, that is what Ultima addressed primarily.

I do not support a compromise, AT ALL.

 

[Sevil Natas]

Now its gonna be 1C AP and 1C hax potency....for limited time....

Its also important to note that this is not necessarily the case if standards do change there other ways dmc can qualify. Me and ultima discussed some of them even

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

So there is a possibility of bright future ahead indeed... nice to know we may keep qualifying in future.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Well then I guess then it's done? If Ultima says it's ok then where are we left at? 1-C AP for all the characters?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

OP explains who and under what logic 1C AP applies Sir....

Nightmare and people above him, and a lone sword called Devil Sword Sparda.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Here's a proper list.

All Devil King equivalents...
Pluto, Mundus, Argosax, Urizen, Abigail, Sparda.

All half breeds..
DMC1 Dante onwards, Vergil(Nelo Angelo) onwards, Nero( EoG DMC5, Awakened Key), Chen.

All weapons of mass destruction:-
Nightmare.

A lone sword:-
Devil Sword Sparda.

An Energy Structure...
Nexus.

Everything else will remain as is.

Of everyone having anything to do with Nexus will have 1C smurf resistance etc. But that's not AP.

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

want to ask again,so dmc will have 1-C tier in a short period time ???,don't it cool or sad though :v

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Mixed feelings about this thread LOL

 

[Sevil Natas]

Well then I guess then it's done? If Ultima says it's ok then where are we left at? 1-C AP for all the characters?

If everybody agrees on this then yeah. And no only people that scale to nightmare get their Ap upgraded read the op the relevant changes are in there. Also come on man. I feel like you're being unfairly biased towards this thread just because it leads towards tier 1. We should try to not do that. Accuracy is more important than anything cus this is an indexing wiki

 

[Sevil Natas]

want to ask again,so dmc will have 1-C tier in a short period time ???,don't it cool or sad though :v

Not necessarily. depends on how the standards change

 

[CosmicWreck]

I feel like you're being unfairly biased towards this thread just because it leads towards tier 1. We should try to not do that. Accuracy is more important than anything cus this is an indexing wiki

There's no need to throw accusations man. The higher the tier the more the evidence is held under scrutiny. It's a site standard to make sure we don't get exaggerated profile ratings. You should be glad you're getting so many responses to be honest, since most people don't even bother with threads that deal with higher dimensions.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Okay so we have one staff ok with it, how about we call a few more and see what they have to say ?

 

[GrathOfLux]

Tier 1 Devil May Cry

What exactly happened while I wasn't looking..?

Jokes aside, I simply do not have the time to look through everything here at the moment, as I'm currently in exam period at university. However, I should be finished with pretty much everything on my end by around Wednesday. To avoid the temptation of slacking off on stuff where I can likely give meaningful input, I'll state here that I promise to start looking through this stuff by Wednesday/Thursday at the latest.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I don't know Devil May Cry, and I don't care much for debating in-verse specifics, so, I believe that will be all from me.

I retract this statement, by the way. I have a question I want to make now.

So, I was reading through this thread out of boredom, and stumbled upon this linked statement:

https://imgur.io/a/qSixUyE

Chaos Boundary Stone
The legendary material needed to forge Dante's weapons
Until the first light split the world in half, such stones were nowhere to be found. They are full of the power of the original chaos, but now they are becoming increasingly rare.

So, it appears the implication here is that the original chaos that preceded reality was split in half, and these halves became the two realms of the Devil May Cry setting: The Human World and the Demon World. This has some awkward implications, if placed alongside the interpretation of the cosmology that's been expounded here.

By definition, something being split in half means that it was divided into two parts of equal size. And yet, the whole idea behind these revisions is that the Demon World is an infinite realm of darkness, inside of which the Human World was born as a tiny ray of light. These two ideas are obviously mutually exclusive, and I shouldn't heve to explain why.

Furthermore, if the Demon World itself is a 9-dimensional void that preceded reality, then the Human World being the result of it being split in half makes even less sense. If you take an object of n dimensions, and then remove from it a n - 1-dimensional cross-section, then you didn't divide it in half: You didn't do anything to it, actually, the object will remain the exact same as before.

So, I would appreciate clarification on that matter.

 

[CosmicWreck]

I retract this statement, by the way. I have a question I want to make now.

That's nice of you. Ironically I don't think people even noticed you took a neutral stance on the matter though tbh.

 

[Sevil Natas]

So, it appears the implication here is that the original chaos that preceded reality was split in half, and these halves became the two realms of the Devil May Cry setting: The Human World and the Demon World. This has some awkward implications, if placed alongside the interpretation of the cosmology that's been expounded here.

By definition, something being split in half means that it was divided into two parts of equal size. And yet, the whole idea behind these revisions is that the Demon World is an infinite realm of darkness, inside of which the Human World was born as a tiny ray of light. These two ideas are obviously mutually exclusive, and I shouldn't heve to explain why.

Furthermore, if the Demon World itself is a 9-dimensional void that preceded reality, then the Human World being the result of it being split in half makes even less sense. If you take an object of n dimensions, and then remove from it a n - 1-dimensional cross-section, then you didn't divide it in half: You didn't do anything to it, actually, the object will remain the exact same as before.

So, I would appreciate clarification on that matter

Its just a figure of speech. The manga makes the difference between the two very clear "endless darkness a crucible of chaos but even in such a world there came a ray of light" not every word is to be taken literally a slight implication in an item description cannot override what was clearly stated in the manga

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

So, it appears the implication here is that the original chaos that preceded reality was split in half, and these halves became the two realms of the Devil May Cry setting: The Human World and the Demon World. This has some awkward implications, if placed alongside the interpretation of the cosmology that's been expounded here.

Hmmm. Here's the thing tho.
Light is Human World. Its not half of Darkness.
Remembering this fact,
It would imply Human World split the Drakness in half, and one half of Darkness becomes Human World and other half is Demon World.
So we have two Human Worlds, one made of small ray of light, other made of half darkness.

That doesn't sound right does it?
Well cuz it isn't.

Human World is explicitly the ray of light, not the half of Darkness. How and why the Demon World was split before going back to normal is unknown.
But this isn't the only instance for Demon World being divided in half. When Mundus and Despair Embodied (2 equally powerful demon kings) faught each other in old times..they ended up dividing the Demon World in half as well. Before it somehow once again went back to being one realm.

So in conclusion, no Human World isn't half of anything, not does it compare to Demon World in size and scope.

 

[RedReaper616]

Bump.

 

[Sevil Natas]

bump..

 

[Thehunter077]

Bump

 

[Megaraptor149]

Bump this

 

[Random-Helper323]

It looks like everyone's waiting for the standards to be refined before finishing this thread. Alternatively if it needs to be finished, has it definitely satisfied the requirements for 1-C, or failing that, Low 1-C?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

I thought this was ignored but i'm glad it wasn't