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Rules:
No kryptonite
No fire
Win Condition: knockout or death
I also ask that u put your reasoning alongside who wins
I personally vote Superman
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The new 52 superman vs the post flashpoint martian manhunter
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Rules:
No kryptonite
No fire
Win Condition: knockout or death
I also ask that u put your reasoning alongside who wins
I personally vote Superman
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Why do u think supes winWe got to see a glimps of this in trinity war but superman had a kryptonite shard in his brain.
Rules:
No kryptonite
No fire
Win Condition: knockout or death
I also ask that u put your reasoning alongside who wins
I personally vote Superman
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Clark. Generally stronger and faster, resists J’ohn’s big boy options and can exploit his fire weakness
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I don’t think he resists mind manip. How hot is supes heat vision(ik I’m reaching here)
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I think I saw it being 900 000 000 Celsius somewhere
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Is this with SBA (aka willing to kill), or fully in character?
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Because supes is resistant to majority if not all of mm’s hax. And we saw zod blitz and knock out mm even when he had hawk man and vibe helping
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Why not do both
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You can't, it's either or for one thread.
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He actually is.
here’s a bunch of hax mm has that superman has been shown to counter.
1. telepathy: he does this by having an empty head and relying on instinct oj some goku shit.
2. image projections(basically genjutsu):He literally just said no and it went away.
3. astral projection: when he fought graves he was able to overpower and push the spiritual parasites.
4. Intangibility: freeze breath or phasing himself.
5. invisibility: he has danger perception by super hearing
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Couldn’t it just be round 1 and 2
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VS threads with rounds can't be added to pages, but if you don't care about that sure.
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Wdym
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Ok then I guess in character is fine here cuz blood lusted would be too one sided. What are your thoughts on this match up tho?
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Unlike rebirth era, pretty sure new 52 one didn't shy away from using his tp as quickly as possible. He can just create some illusions and use his stellar LS to end the fight.
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... Wait, what the ****? MMH having better LS is wack. Probably should be fixed, scaling Rebirth supes from the Post-Crisis one is wack
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Well... Rebirth supes is post crisis one. And iirc in Snyder's run, they scale to one another stat wise.
But either way, they are probably gonna get downgraded to Class Y at best. Someone said they will make it soon.If not then ig I will do it
But either way, they are probably gonna get downgraded to Class Y at best. Someone said they will make it soon.
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Anyway, I think that with them being in-character Superman will probably pull his punches a little but he still has his speed advantage. If MMH can't track him then he would struggle to use his powers, if that makes sense, and he would be able to put MMH down pretty quick. But MMH can just kinda mindhax, can't he?
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Yeah his mindhax is wayyyyy faster. Plus got better reactions
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Actually no. When superman is conscious about u having mind Hax which he is in this case, he can break out of it
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He doesn’t have better reactions imo. He got blitzed by zod.
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Here’s proof of the things I said.
him countering telepathy and telekinesis:
him countering more mind hax:
Zod makes the jla(mmh included)look like fodder:
him countering telepathy and telekinesis:
him countering more mind hax:
Zod makes the jla(mmh included)look like fodder:
https://***************.li/Comic/Superman-Wonder-Woman/Issue-3?id=33020
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Yeah back then, but since then he got upgraded. Look at him in Snyder's JL
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What feats does he have and also shouldn’t he get another key if he became that much stronger?
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Not really? Unless we start downgrading new 52 to tier 5 and remove 4b scaling. Rn they pretty much sales to the same values for practically everything.
Also I don't see the need for another key, just started using his hax more instead of not.
Also I don't see the need for another key, just started using his hax more instead of not.
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If he just started using his hax more then it’s not a physical amp like u made it seem. Also, what are his feats
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Its speed related, and it's on his file already.
As for physicals... He compares to the same value essentially. They all scale to the same 4-B stuff rn
As for physicals... He compares to the same value essentially. They all scale to the same 4-B stuff rn
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Yeah they can both be 4B but in verse scaling superman has been shown to be stronger physically and from what I remember he saved John many times against those giants from snyders jl
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Just checked his profile and it says nothing about a speed upgrade.
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The Planck time reactions and tp came from rebirth
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Yeah but it doesn’t say that he got faster in rebirth like u claim is what I’m saying.
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I mean... His new 52 version didn't show anything like this. But rebirth one did. So....
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Is there any real proof he wouldn’t get blitzed by zod in rebirth? Also remember just because their both 4B doesn’t mean they’re the same strength. The difference between 4B and 4A is literally almost 200million times
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Can you prove Zod can move faster than those that can react at planck time? Well, no because his feats are lower than that from what I can remember. So...
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Yes. He blitzed Martian Manhunter. There is no confirmed amp so all this would mean was his rebirth feats would scale to his new 52 since it’s the same character. He was also shown to react to and harm superman who can tag flash.
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If he didn't show it back then, you can't just assume bruh
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You’re the one who’s assuming he got a power up tho
. Just because I have a feat now doesn’t mean I was weaker in the past. There is no statement of Mmh getting stronger or faster and he is also not shown training or anything. The wiki accepts zod blitzing mmh as post flashpoint and not just new 52 which is what this vsbattle is based on if I’m not mistaken. If u think that new 52 doesn’t scale to rebirth or smth then make a thread to sort it out but for now can we move on to smth else?Similar threads
