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Yes did same that brought Morgoth was debunked didn't start destroy the unvierse?Waria Kambang said:
no hell what are talking about argument lore.
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The Dovahkiin vs Morgoth
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no hell what are talking about argument lore.
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Couldn't Morgoth still the replicate the power of the Dovahkiin's artifacts?
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This is what you said about Morgoth's first move. He starts with conceptual manipulation, which would give the Dovahkiin time to enslave or kill him. He doesn't start by using his enemy's stolen artifacts (which i doubt he can replicate)MasterOfArda said:
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Power Absorption is passive.
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you have already explained this extensively.MasterOfArda said:
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Again, he might replicate the artifacts passively, but it would require real movement to use said stolen artifacts, right? And if the power absorbtion ability requires him to absorb artifacts first, then he can just forget it because the Staff of Magnus would just drain and absorb his power faster than what Morgoth is capable of doing (literally can drain a low 1-C artifact).MasterOfArda said:
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If he can drain instantly, and the Staff of Magnus can drain instantly, than it would probably be inconclusive.
Plus, you said his gear is what survives conceptual attacks. If Morgoth drains his gear and then uses conceptual manipulation he has no defense (Unless there is a diffrent defense).
Plus, you said his gear is what survives conceptual attacks. If Morgoth drains his gear and then uses conceptual manipulation he has no defense (Unless there is a diffrent defense).
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He ain't touching the Daedric Artifacts.
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If the Dovahkiin has Low 1-C artifacts (And by exstension hax) of course he wins. But in that case this match is a stomp like Sans vs Voldemort would be a stomp.
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The artifacts aren't Low 1-C in the Dovahkiin's hands.
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What i'm asking is how Morgoth's power absorbtion works. Do he need to take the artifacts inside himself to absorb it? Or what? You need to explain this.MasterOfArda said:
No, the Staff of Magnus can easily drain a low 1-C artifact (Eye of Magnus) in a couple of seconds. Unless you are telling me that Morgoth can drain something that is low 1-C in nature, then he is not going to win. Again, this doesn't matter because the win condition of Bend Will shout is still valid and you need to address that first.
Yeah, not going to happen. All of Dovahkiin's artifacts that are worth mentioning are protected by their respective Daedric Princes and Divines (like Auriel's Bow and Auriel's Shield), and thus are an extension of their divine beings. Now, i would assume you already realise how powerful Daedric Princes and Divines are, so yeah, it's not going to work. I'm not saying it's low 1-C, but they sure as heck aren't going to get drained by Morgoth. This is the reason why i said i doubt his power absorbtion ability would work.
Morgoth still has a win condition (mainly death manipulation), it's not a stomp match, just a really decisive one.
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| 1. [T]he Staff of Magnus can easily drain a low 1-C artifact |
| 2. The artifacts aren't Low 1-C in the Dovahkiin's hands. |
| What i'm asking is how Morgoth's power absorbtion works. Do he need to take the artifacts inside himself to absorb it? Or what? You need to explain this. |
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Except it's not a stomp? A stomp thread means that Morgoth literally have no win condition, which is not true in this situation. He can still kill the Dovahkiin using his death manipulation. It's not a stomp, but rather a really, really decisive match. And no, my arguments are not inconsistent considering i've been saying that the Staff of Magnus can drain a low 1-C artifact since the beginning of this thread.
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| Except it's not a stomp? A stomp thread means that Morgoth literally have no win condition, which is not true in this situation. He can still kill the Dovahkiin using his death manipulation. It's not a stomp, but rather a really, really decisive match. |
| And no, my arguments are not inconsistent considering i've been saying that the Staff of Magnus can drain a low 1-C artifact since the beginning of this thread. |
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My vote goes to the dova for ALL the reasons stated above (damn 340 coments that i had to read)
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No, of course not. Otherwise he would already be at "the strongest characters for every tier".
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I want to clarify this part. Concepts are extensions of Godlike Beings in TES, and MK stated that they are simply indestructible as "you can't kill any idea in The Dream". All concepts and ideas are reflection of the Godhead, and directly connected to him. You may bury or modify an idea or a concept via Tonal Magic, Walking Ways, CHIM and plethfora of hax that commonly required from Low 1-C to 1-A to work. You can't absolutely erase any idea or concept, which it can be seen why Daedric Princes have True Immortality and 1-A level of regen (Check any Daedric Prince profile to see why).MasterOfArda said:
The only way of directly "destroy" a concept in TES is having 1-A level of Numidium. The World-Denial. I mean you have to have that specific hax, not just being an 1-A god alone.
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Go to Matthew profile to find his blog on canonicity
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Nah already over a month we should close Thread?
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Yes it seems that the win goes to the Dova, so this should get added
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This has been added to both of their profile by me.TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
Hsharpe
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I feel like a rematch for this needs to be made. Because True Form Morgoth has been upgraded to Low 1-C (and is awaiting further revision for 1-A due to R>F Transcendence), while Dragonborn DLC Dova is still stuck at Low 2-C.
Not to mention, this already exists:
vsbattles.fandom.com
And all LOTR characters have received the following:
I'm not sure of Dova is undergoing his own revisions, but...
Not to mention, this already exists:
Powers and Resistances of the Ainur
The Ainur are the primordial angelic spirits made by Eru Ilúvatar in Tolkien's Legendarium. The first creations ever produced by their God, the Ainur are the "Holy Ones" that existed before "aught else" as the offspring of Ilúvatar's thought. They would be the ones to sing the "Music of the...
vsbattles.fandom.com
And all LOTR characters have received the following:
- Acausality (Type 2, Type 4 for the True Form Ainur, and likely Type 5 for Eru)
- Resistance to Mind Manipulation (specifically mental penetration)
- Resistance to Soul Manipulation (specifically soul destruction and absorption)
I'm not sure of Dova is undergoing his own revisions, but...
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Bro, did you just necro a 5 year old thread over an outdated match that you can just request to be removed from the character's profile?I feel like a rematch for this needs to be made. Because True Form Morgoth has been upgraded to Low 1-C (and is awaiting further revision for 1-A due to R>F Transcendence), while Dragonborn DLC Dova is still stuck at Low 2-C.
Not to mention, this already exists:
Powers and Resistances of the Ainur
The Ainur are the primordial angelic spirits made by Eru Ilúvatar in Tolkien's Legendarium. The first creations ever produced by their God, the Ainur are the "Holy Ones" that existed before "aught else" as the offspring of Ilúvatar's thought. They would be the ones to sing the "Music of the...
And all LOTR characters have received the following:
- Acausality (Type 2, Type 4 for the True Form Ainur, and likely Type 5 for Eru)
- Resistance to Mind Manipulation (specifically mental penetration)
- Resistance to Soul Manipulation (specifically soul destruction and absorption)
I'm not sure of Dova is undergoing his own revisions, but...
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Wait the thread was that old?
My bad, man.
Edit: Oh god I just checked the dates on the replies, it really is that old.
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Reminder that we don't consider bumping old Vs Threads as necros anymore:
However, as the characters are indeed very outdated by this point, I will be closing this
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