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Dovahkiin starts with Bend Will and mindhaxes Morgoth, and Morgoth starts with destroying the universe, which does nothing to the Dovahkiin.Jimboydejuan12 said:well guess again people pick off voted.
start what could do compare both Dovahkiin and Morgoth.
how far AP level?
how far Durability level?
How far Speed level?
Now we wait for a counter argument. If there is none, we will request this matchup to be added.Jimboydejuan12 said:yep whatever Dovahkiin is pretty High Low 2-C our no such like Morgoth.
Alright now do?
I never said Morgoth starts with destroying the universe. He starts with conceptual manipulation. Which, again, the Dovahkiin has no defense.Ogbunabali said:Not to mention that Dovahkiin mindhaxes, and I thought you said Morgoth starts with destroying the universe? How come every time a point is refuted he starts with something else?
He wouldn't have the chance to absorb it because by the time he is done destroying the universe, Bend Will shout would have already mindhax him. And yes, it can affect Morgoth since the final word of Bend Will shout is the reaso why we can even surpass Miraak's strength in the first place, which is noted by Hermaeus Mora in his dialogue.MasterOfArda said:Is there a reason why Morgoth can't replicate all of the Dovahkiin's powers with power absorption?
Because if not I really can't see how the Dovahkiin could win this.
You said that the Dovahkiin's doesn't have conceptual manipulation while giving no reason. I'm not saying that he has information manipulation that manipulate things at conceptual level, i'm saying that the Thu'um is a literal conceptual manipulation. It manipulate the inner tones which shape all of reality including things such as concept. I already give you the reason why the Thu'um is a conceptual manipulation, so kindly give yours.MasterOfArda said:Snips
Uh, it literally impose the concept of mortality toward an Immortal being.MasterOfArda said:Just manipulating reality is reality warping. Was he ever explicitly shown creating and/or destroying a concept like Morgoth (Specfically Discord).
No, Alduin literally doesn't have the concept of mortality at all.MasterOfArda said:That's just deat/life manipulation at a very strong level.
You just explained this better than i can ever possibly able to. So, Arda, do we agree that the Dovahkiin resist conceptual manipulation?Ogbunabali said:The Thu'um is actually Tonal Architecture. And Tonal Architecture is basically altering the song of Aurbis. The Aurbis is the interplay of Anu and Padomay and it is the whole of reality residing of which include Aetherius, Oblivion, Mundus, and of course, Nirn. Aurbis is the everything in the Elder Scrolls universe and it is described like a song, while in the real world everything has particles and sub particles, in the Elder Scrolls everything, both physical and metaphysical, is comprised of "musical notes" or "tunes". Tonal Architecture, and by extension the Thu'um, allows one to control and manipulate this "tunes" of which encompass everything from the grass, to concepts themselves.
Tonal Architecture, and by extension the Thu'um, allows one to control and manipulate this "tunes" of which encompass everything from the grass, to concepts themselves. |
Things like Dragonrend and Bend Will is conceptual. It's implied that the Dovahkiin can resist the effect of Bend Will shout in the Dragonborn DLC. And i'm pretty sure that Slow time shout is also conceptual, though, i'm not entirely sure.MasterOfArda said:Then what Thu'um is conceptual, and which did the Dovahkiin resist.
I think you misunderstood. That was poor wording on my part.Waria Kambang said:As far as i'm aware, Dovahkiin's body naturally resist conceptual manipulation. He doesn't need to use the Thu'um to resist conceptual manipulation.
A Daedric Prince. Trust me, they are far stronger than Morgoth is. Just look for one of them in this wiki.MasterOfArda said:Who is Mehrunes Dagon and how is his conceptual manipulation any stronger than Morgoth's.
Also, Morgoth doesn't start with destryoing the universe.
And, can the Dovahkiin resist passive power absorption?