Darkseid VS Sauron

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

Darkseid (DC Comics) VS Sauron (Lord of the Rings)

Both are Low 1-C (Godhead Darkseid and Prior to entering Eä Sauron are used here)

Speed is equalised

Darkseid:

Sauron:

Inconclusive:

 

[Eseseso]

Darkseid is 6D, Sauron is only 5D

 

[Hsharpe]

I wouldn't advise doing Versus Matchups while a character is undergoing revisions. Sauron is the one undergoing said revisions, and he'll soon be upgraded to 1-A soon due to the new Reality-Fiction Transcendence. And arguments are being made for High 1-A+

But if I were to give my current thoughts on this, Sauron would stomp solely because of R>F, which as I mentioned, would put him at 1-A.

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. Necro(Don't comment on old threads if they're not still fair)

2. You speak with such confidence for not actually knowing for sure if Sauron is gonna be 1-A lol

 

[Hsharpe]

1. Necro(Don't comment on old threads if they're not still fair)

2. You speak with such confidence for not actually knowing for sure if Sauron is gonna be 1-A lol

1. It wasn't actually a necro, this thread is only almost two weeks old, unless the necro time period is much shorter than I originally think.

2. Rest assured, he is getting 1-A because as mentioned earlier, he and the other Ainur in their True Forms have R>F conditions. Just ask @Tyranno223 or @Ultima_Reality about it (sincere apologies for bringing you two into this)

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. It wasn't actually a necro, this thread is only almost two weeks old, unless the necro time period is much shorter than I originally think.

It's still a thread you could have very easily just left to rot

2. Rest assured, he is getting 1-A because as mentioned earlier, he and the other Ainur in their True Forms have R>F conditions. Just ask @Tyranno223 or @Ultima_Reality about it (sincere apologies for bringing you two into this)

What if there's sufficient debate about it and it gets denied? Can you see the future?

And no, blue names can't ping, only staff can

 

[Hsharpe]

What if there's sufficient debate about it and it gets denied? Can you see the future?

No I can't see the future, but the only reason it hasn't been implemented yet is because Tyranno is still arguing for High 1-A+. But so far there is evidence for 1-A scalings and it has been approved. But basically, to quote Tyranno:

"Well LotR qualifies as Tier 1-A for three (maybe more) reasons:

1. Tolkien uses the same language to differentiate Eru's and the Ainur's level of existence to Eä (the universe) as he does to differentiate between reality and mythology
2. Eru holds all of Eä as mere thought, being able to maintain it in his mind. To Him, it is on the same level as fiction is, as an entire space-time is but merely thought in His mind (indeed, the language is used describes Eä as but one finite fictional sub-creation under Eru/God's infinite creative potential. Meanwhile Tolkien states both space and time in Eä being limitlessly extensive, aka infinite. In essence a 4-D Space-Time is finite and fractional compared to Eru)
3. Eru is described as an author, with his interventions being that of an Author, as is his role, level of existence, etc.

The Ainur qualify for this for a few simple reasons.

1. Eru regards them as "real" existences he can interact with compared to Eä which is but fiction to him
2. They shake the Timeless Halls and Void with their Music, they can thus affect a realm of existence that is "primary" to Eä which is "secondary". The difference being between that of fiction and mythology to Tolkien
3. They are sub-creators that inhabit a similar cosmological position to authors like Tolkien (within cosmology, Tolkien exists as the sub-creative force to the Legendarium)."

Source: https://vsbattles.com/threads/lord-of-the-rings-discussion-thread.146119/post-6437339

Like I said, just approach either Tyranno or Ultima if you have any arguments or questions.

 

[DaReaperMan]

And we as Warhammer supporters were confident in High 1-A 40K the first time round(When the Cosmologies were merged)

We did not get High 1-A

 

[Tyranno223]

No I can't see the future, but the only reason it hasn't been implemented yet is because Tyranno is still arguing for High 1-A+. But so far there is evidence for 1-A scalings and it has been approved. But basically, to quote Tyranno:

"Well LotR qualifies as Tier 1-A for three (maybe more) reasons:

1. Tolkien uses the same language to differentiate Eru's and the Ainur's level of existence to Eä (the universe) as he does to differentiate between reality and mythology
2. Eru holds all of Eä as mere thought, being able to maintain it in his mind. To Him, it is on the same level as fiction is, as an entire space-time is but merely thought in His mind (indeed, the language is used describes Eä as but one finite fictional sub-creation under Eru/God's infinite creative potential. Meanwhile Tolkien states both space and time in Eä being limitlessly extensive, aka infinite. In essence a 4-D Space-Time is finite and fractional compared to Eru)
3. Eru is described as an author, with his interventions being that of an Author, as is his role, level of existence, etc.

The Ainur qualify for this for a few simple reasons.

1. Eru regards them as "real" existences he can interact with compared to Eä which is but fiction to him
2. They shake the Timeless Halls and Void with their Music, they can thus affect a realm of existence that is "primary" to Eä which is "secondary". The difference being between that of fiction and mythology to Tolkien
3. They are sub-creators that inhabit a similar cosmological position to authors like Tolkien (within cosmology, Tolkien exists as the sub-creative force to the Legendarium)."

Source: https://vsbattles.com/threads/lord-of-the-rings-discussion-thread.146119/post-6437339

Like I said, just approach either Tyranno or Ultima if you have any arguments or questions.

For the record, the discussion is currently at the stage of securing the evidence.

We currently seem to believe High 1-A+ Ainur is actually arguable. But regardless, this fight doesn't really work with current or possible future ratings.