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Not a rebuttal. You haven't proven your point, therefore I can dismiss anything you say till you show me proof. Basic burden of proof fallacy.
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TF2: Atomizing weaponry.
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mental gimnastics clasic mental gimnastics you are overthing to absurd levels that and is funny the levels that you reach to dismiss me
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also stop changing the mean of my words yes i know that you want to avoid TF2 getting a upgrade but this is stupid
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Literally all you have to do is show one instance of them in-canon being hit by the weapon and surviving and this entire argument would be over
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question why being off screen make the argument invalid simple as that explain me
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Nice non-arguments.
You need to PROVE it. Literally just a single comic panel, a single scene, any bit of evidence is all you need to win this debate.
You need to PROVE it. Literally just a single comic panel, a single scene, any bit of evidence is all you need to win this debate.
None of which are accurate, but thank you for the ad hominem and appeal to motive fallacies to try to make our points look worse.
Because we don't have confirmation. It's that simple. Just prove it with literally anything.
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My argument is literally the entire plot of the comic your entire argument is
Is of screen so it means it valid
Because everything off screen is invalid by your logic
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Using things like claiming i'm desperate to avoid a TF2 upgrade, saying i'm purposefully using mental gymnastics, etc.
Ok. Prove it happened off screen.
Ok. Prove it happened off screen.
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i am just saying your motive but i never said that your motive make your arguments wrong if you thinked that via me horrible english then i apologize
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I don't have a motive for this other than I came here because that's a terrible argument.
I can stone wall you and just repeat "prove it" till you prove it.
I can stone wall you and just repeat "prove it" till you prove it.
Because you can't prove that they can't, so obviously they can. I'm using the same logic you're using.
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man stop changin my words my argument was a simple as scalling and you need to debunked it to make it invalid and now you are saying that i abuse fallacy which i never did because my counter arguments was just denbunk it other arguments
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I don't need to debunk it because you're using an argument from probability. You haven't proved it did actually happen, you've just claimed that it's likely.
I'm not changing what you're saying at all, stop misconstruing my point to your benefit. You're seriously strawmanning me and have been this entire time.
I'm not changing what you're saying at all, stop misconstruing my point to your benefit. You're seriously strawmanning me and have been this entire time.
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probality? is far far far more logical saying that they use 9-A weapons who is in character instead of saying that they never use who
1. totally out of character
2. is extremlly stupid
3. the argument is based on pure luck
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Your argument is an argument of probability. Which is a fallacy. Your argument is also all 3 of those things, if i'm being blunt.
Even if you are right, you have to show proof anyway. Show literally any proof and you win. Till then it's just you stonewalling and strawmanning.
Even if you are right, you have to show proof anyway. Show literally any proof and you win. Till then it's just you stonewalling and strawmanning.
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and also your argument saying that they never used without giving a prove about that is far more likelly saying that they use it that they never use it
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I never said that. Stop strawmanning me.
I'm literally only telling you that you need to prove it. If you can not definitively prove it, then you need to give up, because that isn't going to get through.
I'm literally only telling you that you need to prove it. If you can not definitively prove it, then you need to give up, because that isn't going to get through.
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what my argument is that been figthing because is literally the ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE GAME as simple as that i said it like 10 times in the thread
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Post. A. Scan. Of. Them. Surviving. The. Cow. Mangler. Outside. Of. Gameplay. Or. Stop. Arguing.
Having said that, this seems to have been rejected. If living is the only one still pushing for this, then I'm willing to close it if everyone else is on board.
Having said that, this seems to have been rejected. If living is the only one still pushing for this, then I'm willing to close it if everyone else is on board.
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Argument from probability again.
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I am entirely on board with that. It's a funny argument but it does have to stop for the sake of productivity.
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My dude, Doomguy is a 9-A who has been beating the shit out of tier 8 dudes for years. Doesn't mean we upgrade him. What is even your point?
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My entire point was scalling god damit not everything need pictures is literally a Absurdly big double standard my point was
the mercs figth agaist that weapons for atleast 4 years so it should be logically that they should tank it is literally simplest scale and no just because is off panel doesnt make it invalid
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nop my dude that is a false equivalance doomguy tanks the tier 8 with powerups and the mercs doesnt
also doomguy get one shotted by that and is far far more consistent that the mercs gettting One shotted
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Not scaling at all. You haven't proved that they did tank it. You're arguing that they probably did.
This can be closed if he doesn't post any scans. It's gone on long enough.
This can be closed if he doesn't post any scans. It's gone on long enough.
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Yeah, I'm done humoring this guy. This circular argument has gone on for literally pages at this point.
Final word, probability isn't an argument, feats are arguments. And you haven't shown any.
Final word, probability isn't an argument, feats are arguments. And you haven't shown any.
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OP has requested that this be unlocked. I'll monitor this in case it devolves into circular arguments again.
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Ok, so I wanna bring up the example that was shown here but mostly buried. Of course, mercs surviving the weapon but being later atomized is kinda sus, but just look at this . This thing is kinda consistent in TF2: Heavy has no visible damage from first two pipes, but gets torn to pieces by the third one. I know atomizing requires more AP, but it's often in TF2, a character survives first several shots with no apparent damage but is completely destroyed by the one that kills.
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That doesnt really help your case...
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Well, why doesn't it? Heavy is shown to tank the pipe in the cutscene, in the same cutscene he's torn apart by another pipe after seemingly not being damaged by first two. The story's exactly the same in the game, and cow mangler works similarly.
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...what pipe does he tank? Literally none of them are close enough in the cutscene besides the one that dropped basically between his legs, the one that blew him to pieces.
Either way, if you want to consider that first pipe one he "tanked", it gets directly contradicted because he went from taking no damage to being violently fragmented.
Either way, if you want to consider that first pipe one he "tanked", it gets directly contradicted because he went from taking no damage to being violently fragmented.
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