TenSura LN Major Revision - Slime-Verse Salvation - Tier 1 Upgrade

[Sebas-S.P-san]

That would have been true except that it's stated her cycles of time travel always took place in the same axis of time

Hahaha man, as you can tell you've missed the point.

Chloe's time cycles tended to work in a somewhat similar fashion, although there were often disparities here and there. Apparently, Hinata's death was always the key event, and the same thing happened this time as well.
"This time too...? I die every cycle, don't I?"
This made Hinata feel a little uncomfortable. She didn't know whether to feel sad or pathetic about it. But Chloe went on.
"But you know, this time is special. Every time I was sent to the past, Rimuru always died before
than me. And she never got to see me off-not once!"
Up until now, every time cycle involved Rimuru leaving everyone's life for one reason or
another. This time, however, he was still intact when the jump happened. Hinata knew that and, therefore, hoped that this would conclude in some new and different way. There were many differences from
from before.

Volume 11 chapter 4

I hope this is clear to you

 

[Mizuki67]

should I put this on hold for now because we have a tier 0 thread going on now

So, is it fine with you all if I lock this thread temporarily or wait for Elizhaa input

 

[Phasewave101]

Hahaha man, as you can tell you've missed the point.

Chloe's time cycles tended to work in a somewhat similar fashion, although there were often disparities here and there. Apparently, Hinata's death was always the key event, and the same thing happened this time as well.
"This time too...? I die every cycle, don't I?"
This made Hinata feel a little uncomfortable. She didn't know whether to feel sad or pathetic about it. But Chloe went on.
"But you know, this time is special. Every time I was sent to the past, Rimuru always died before
than me. And she never got to see me off-not once!"
Up until now, every time cycle involved Rimuru leaving everyone's life for one reason or
another. This time, however, he was still intact when the jump happened. Hinata knew that and, therefore, hoped that this would conclude in some new and different way. There were many differences from
from before.

Volume 11 chapter 4

I hope this is clear to you

Yes she explained this to Hinata but before she reached this part you're taking about she said this:
You mean you’ve been doing this same thing over and over?”

“I think so. I can only really recall things from the last time around, but

sometimes memories from elsewhere get mixed in…”

“Oh,” Hinata said, a bit relieved. If she was repeating the exact same life every

time, that’d be a sort of living hell. No one is strong enough to continue waging

a battle if you knew the end result.

So Hinata silently listened as Chloe continued. Apparently, her time travel

always took place in the same era, in the same axis of time—those were likely

the limitations of her skill. Exactly where she was taken depended on the timing

of her out-of-control episodes.

As u can see here, She was explaining to Hinata how her time travel always took place in the same axis of time and that was likely the limitations of her skills which I said meant that tensura having Infinite timelines because it was said in the blog that she went to a different time axis anytime she went back to the past is wrong. This is what I was trying to explain

 

[Georredannea15]

And this

Let me explain this one here, this also applies to the others.

But let me start by saying something that you all misunderstand, that perpendicularity in timelines is not very common, it usually happens in the temporal dimensions, in the time axis, and the timelines are elongated in the direction of these axes.

Anyway, let's go from what you explained, there's one timeline where Rimuru is the real dragon and doesn't die, the other one where Rimuru dies, etc.

The example you give means that these two timelines are just different and independent timelines, they do not mean perpendicular axis, there are even timelines that extend in different directions and are on the same axis.

For example, one from the past to the future and the other from the future to the past... these are still parts of the same axis, even though they are timelines with different directions of flow.

In the timeline example you gave, even though they are independent and different, they are still part of the same axis.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------> Time axis
-----------------> x Rimuru become True dragon.
-----------------> y Rimuru dies.

The example I gave here is a kind of modeled version of the example you gave, that is, two timelines that flow differently and independently from each other, 2 events that happen differently from each other, but two timelines that still extend on the same axis. In short, they are 2 alternative timelines that are different and independent of each other.

In order to "accommodate" two tetradimensional spaces that "flow" in non-orthogonal directions it becomes necessary to have a space in which to accommodate such a "change".

However, in order for this to be possible, and for each line to follow its direction properly, it is necessary that the newly added dimension be orthogonal to the first. This is because only orthogonal dimensions allow directions to be separated and represented without interfering with each other, intersecting or confusing each other. (Just as we know what happens with slime timelines).

This does not necessarily require perpendicularity, it does not provide perpendicularity by default, the model I gave above is already a good example of this.

If we put them both in a Euclidean space (X), which is the set of (x, y, z, t) i.e. a tetradimensional space (spacetime), and (Y), which is the same, although they look in the "same direction" (the future), Y is "tilted" at an "angle" with respect to (X). (Note that this "spatial" sounding way of explaining things is just a way of simplifying this matter, because explaining this is very difficult).

If they are facing in the same direction, we cannot talk about perpendicularity in any way.

Then since both look in "different directions" not orthogonal to the future, but not parallel as such, and "flow" in that direction, the idea of an extra dimension (u) reflecting that change becomes necessary, because if not, it is impossible for them to "flow" in that non-orthogonal "different direction".

No, it's possible very well...

This is 2 temporal dimensions that are not parallel, different than each other, not facing the same direction but still not perpendicular.

And it's orthogonality. Btw, these were Ultima's examples

 

[Digital_Franz]

Let me explain this one here, this also applies to the others.

But let me start by saying something that you all misunderstand, that perpendicularity in timelines is not very common, it usually happens in the temporal dimensions, in the time axis, and the timelines are elongated in the direction of these axes.

Anyway, let's go from what you explained, there's one timeline where Rimuru is the real dragon and doesn't die, the other one where Rimuru dies, etc.

The example you give means that these two timelines are just different and independent timelines, they do not mean perpendicular axis, there are even timelines that extend in different directions and are on the same axis.

For example, one from the past to the future and the other from the future to the past... these are still parts of the same axis, even though they are timelines with different directions of flow.

In the timeline example you gave, even though they are independent and different, they are still part of the same axis.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------> Time axis
-----------------> x Rimuru become True dragon.
-----------------> y Rimuru dies.

The example I gave here is a kind of modeled version of the example you gave, that is, two timelines that flow differently and independently from each other, 2 events that happen differently from each other, but two timelines that still extend on the same axis. In short, they are 2 alternative timelines that are different and independent of each other.



This does not necessarily require perpendicularity, it does not provide perpendicularity by default, the model I gave above is already a good example of this.


If they are facing in the same direction, we cannot talk about perpendicularity in any way.

No, it's possible very well...

This is 2 temporal dimensions that are not parallel, different than each other, not facing the same direction but still not perpendicular.

And it's orthogonality. Btw, these were Ultima's examples

Can you read my post on the previous page?

 

[Georredannea15]

As a scan of the OP shows, each timeline has a different time axis than the others. Also, a special time traveler (Velgrynd's) can access the prior versions of the world. This is to show that the world has two time dimensions.

Here's what you still don't understand.

Different temporal dimensions, different timeline or different time axis =/= perpendicularity in temporal dimensions.

They can be independent and different but still can flow in the same direction

Now why hyperspace?
Here is what the tiering system FAQ says:

The quote you made is not a hyperspace, it has nothing to do with hyperspace. Here, the "snapshots" in the space-time continuums essentially occur on an extended timeline, so for example, if you have 3-D space, the snapshots in the timeline are all 3-D, and there are an uncountably infinite number of those snapshots, which makes the timeline 4-D. .


If those snapshots are 4-D, that makes the timeline 5-D, but only if the snapshots show an entire multiverse, so consider a multiverse in all snapshots rather than a 3-D snapshot at every point.

Here, the timelines serving as "snapshots" all share the same temporal axis, but in our case the temporal axes are different. It is therefore to serve all these axes that the hyperspace with a higher temporal dimension is necessary.

1- The fact that each of these snapshots are in different timelines does not mean that they are different temporal axes, it just means that there are alternative different timelines and they all have their own snapshots, they are classic timelines. This only proves the existence of separate and independent timelines.

2- Multiple different timelines do not necessarily require separate temporal dimensions for each, even a single temporal dimension can contain infinite timelines, so each verse with 2-A does not always have different temporal dimensions.

3- Even if we assume that each timeline has own and different temporal dimensions, you need to prove the orthogonality of these temporal dimensions, what I mean is; Even temporal dimensions that are different and independent from each other can still flow in the same direction, being independent of each other... just means that they are different from each other, that's all. Even if they don't flow in the same direction, they may not intersect perpendicularly, which is why I quoted from Ultima above.

Like that.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Here's what you still don't understand.

Different temporal dimensions, different timeline or different time axis =/= perpendicularity in temporal dimensions.

I did not in any way say otherwise.

They can be independent and different but still can flow in the same direction

Fair enough.

The quote you made is not a hyperspace, it has nothing to do with hyperspace. Here, the "snapshots" in the space-time continuums essentially occur on an extended timeline, so for example, if you have 3-D space, the snapshots in the timeline are all 3-D, and there are an uncountably infinite number of those snapshots, which makes the timeline 4-D. .

You don't always get the point.

If those snapshots are 4-D, that makes the timeline 5-D, but only if the snapshots show an entire multiverse, so consider a multiverse in all snapshots rather than a 3-D snapshot at every point.

Indeed.

1- The fact that each of these snapshots are in different timelines does not mean that they are different temporal axes, it just means that there are alternative different timelines and they all have their own snapshots, they are classic timelines. This only proves the existence of separate and independent timelines.

Here's where I say you don't always get it. Each timeline has its own time axis. It's mentioned in a scan. I didn't say that because they are independent they have different axes.

2- Multiple different timelines do not necessarily require separate temporal dimensions for each, even a single temporal dimension can contain infinite timelines, so each verse with 2-A does not always have different temporal dimensions.

No one said otherwise. It was the novel that said they each have a different time dimension.

3- Even if we assume that each timeline has own and different temporal dimensions, you need to prove the orthogonality of these temporal dimensions,

You had already brought this topic up in a staff thread and you were told that when universes each have their own time dimension then the time dimension that serves them is a higher time dimension. I'm going to quote something here:

Spoiler: Yap

Is orthogonality a requirement?
Yes, but not in the sense that it's required evidence. If a substantial space-time continuum under an overarching timeline is recognized as being serviced by its own time dimension, then the overarching timeline is automatically considered orthogonal: hence why the wording for the temporal dimension standards was revised compared to the citation above. A statement for the overarching timeline being orthogonal is all in all: supporting or alternative evidence, but not required evidence if a lesser space-time is already recognized as harboring a self-contained temporal dimension.

what I mean is; Even temporal dimensions that are different and independent from each other can still flow in the same direction,

It doesn't matter.

being independent of each other... just means that they are different from each other, that's all.

Nah that's not all.

Even if they don't flow in the same direction, they may not intersect perpendicularly, which is why I quoted from Ultima above.

Like that.

 

[Georredannea15]

Here's where I say you don't always get it. Each timeline has its own time axis. It's mentioned in a scan. I didn't say that because they are independent they have different axes.

No one said otherwise. It was the novel that said they each have a different time dimension.

You had already brought this topic up in a staff thread and you were told that when universes each have their own time dimension then the time dimension that serves them is a higher time dimension. I'm going to quote something here:

Spoiler: Yap

Is orthogonality a requirement?
Yes, but not in the sense that it's required evidence. If a substantial space-time continuum under an overarching timeline is recognized as being serviced by its own time dimension, then the overarching timeline is automatically considered orthogonal: hence why the wording for the temporal dimension standards was revised compared to the citation above. A statement for the overarching timeline being orthogonal is all in all: supporting or alternative evidence, but not required evidence if a lesser space-time is already recognized as harboring a self-contained temporal dimension.

Different temporal dimensions, different timeline or different time axes =/= perpendicularity in temporal dimensions.

 

[Meli_Tempest]

Let me explain this one here, this also applies to the others.

But let me start by saying something that you all misunderstand, that perpendicularity in timelines is not very common, it usually happens in the temporal dimensions, in the time axis, and the timelines are elongated in the direction of these axes.

Anyway, let's go from what you explained, there's one timeline where Rimuru is the real dragon and doesn't die, the other one where Rimuru dies, etc.

The example you give means that these two timelines are just different and independent timelines, they do not mean perpendicular axis, there are even timelines that extend in different directions and are on the same axis.

For example, one from the past to the future and the other from the future to the past... these are still parts of the same axis, even though they are timelines with different directions of flow.

In the timeline example you gave, even though they are independent and different, they are still part of the same axis.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------> Time axis
-----------------> x Rimuru become True dragon.
-----------------> y Rimuru dies.

The example I gave here is a kind of modeled version of the example you gave, that is, two timelines that flow differently and independently from each other, 2 events that happen differently from each other, but two timelines that still extend on the same axis. In short, they are 2 alternative timelines that are different and independent of each other.



This does not necessarily require perpendicularity, it does not provide perpendicularity by default, the model I gave above is already a good example of this.


If they are facing in the same direction, we cannot talk about perpendicularity in any way.

No, it's possible very well...

This is 2 temporal dimensions that are not parallel, different than each other, not facing the same direction but still not perpendicular.

And it's orthogonality. Btw, these were Ultima's examples

No no no no, you assumed I was saying that both directions are perpendicular when I explicitly said the opposite, no no no, you got it all wrong.

I'll get back to you in a few hours, I'm out of the house.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Yes she explained this to Hinata but before she reached this part you're taking about she said this:
You mean you’ve been doing this same thing over and over?”

“I think so. I can only really recall things from the last time around, but

sometimes memories from elsewhere get mixed in…”

“Oh,” Hinata said, a bit relieved. If she was repeating the exact same life every

time, that’d be a sort of living hell. No one is strong enough to continue waging

a battle if you knew the end result.

So Hinata silently listened as Chloe continued. Apparently, her time travel

always took place in the same era, in the same axis of time—those were likely

the limitations of her skill. Exactly where she was taken depended on the timing

of her out-of-control episodes.

As u can see here, She was explaining to Hinata how her time travel always took place in the same axis of time and that was likely the limitations of her skills which I said meant that tensura having Infinite timelines because it was said in the blog that she went to a different time axis anytime she went back to the past is wrong. This is what I was trying to explain

Brother, you're confusing more, in fact that's when he wonders why when he travelled again he didn't make it and was still in the same timeline, that's why the following is mentioned below:

In the previous cycle, Hinata apparently died in the Jura Forest.

"Sensei had died and Veldora revived-"

"Huh? Rimuru died? Who did it and how? She's practically impossible to kill."

"Um, well, with this cycle, my memories between when I 'received' at the Spirit Abode and when I was taken to the past are when I was taken into the past, are working quite differently. In fact, this is the first time Rimuru is still alive when it happens to me."

In short, your arguments are out of context

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

should I put this on hold for now because we have a tier 0 thread going on now

So, is it fine with you all if I lock this thread temporarily or wait for Elizhaa input

Agreed by me

 

[Phasewave101]

Brother, you're confusing more, in fact that's when he wonders why when he travelled again he didn't make it and was still in the same timeline, that's why the following is mentioned below:

In the previous cycle, Hinata apparently died in the Jura Forest.

"Sensei had died and Veldora revived-"

"Huh? Rimuru died? Who did it and how? She's practically impossible to kill."

"Um, well, with this cycle, my memories between when I 'received' at the Spirit Abode and when I was taken to the past are when I was taken into the past, are working quite differently. In fact, this is the first time Rimuru is still alive when it happens to me."

She only implied her memories from this current cycle when she was taken to the past and and when she was received at the spirit abode are working differently and its the first time rimuru was alive because he did in the last cycle she went through. This doesn't change that the cycles she goes through all happens in the same time axis. Where are you guys seeing timelines from?

In short, your arguments are out of context

Huh?

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

She only implied her memories from this current cycle when she was taken to the past and and when she was received at the spirit abode are working differently and its the first time rimuru was alive because he did in the last cycle she went through. This doesn't change that the cycles she goes through all happens in the same time axis. Where are you guys seeing timelines from?

Huh?

You just affirmed my point, but you still don't understand that if it were the same timeline there would be nothing different from the "PREVIOUS" one.

 

[Phasewave101]

You just affirmed my point, but you still don't understand that if it were the same timeline there would be nothing different from the "PREVIOUS" one.

Timeline and time cycle are two different concepts on their own. I don't understand why you're using them Interchangeably

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

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Timeline and time cycle are two different concepts on their own. I don't understand why you're using them Interchangeably

What do you think a cycle is

 

[Digital_Franz]

@Georredannea15 no one said that it is. Even the OP didn't say that the timeline directions are perpendicular. Reread the spoiler of the 6D explanation.

So let's look at it differently. Going back to what the Tiering System FAQ says, we have:

A spacetime continuum with two time axes, instead of just one, could likewise be visualized as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the entire regular timeline with 3 space and 1 time dimension. It would hence be one uncountably infinite level above a timeline and as such baseline Low 1-C.

Here each "snapshot" is a 3-D space with "one time" and all snapshots share the same time. But in our case, each "snapshot" is 4-D and has its own time axis. In doing so, the "one time" that serves these snapshots is therefore a higher time dimension.

Spoiler: YAP

You can model a cosmology with an overarching timeline in a way that makes it a larger hypervolume rather than a greater infinity. What determines spatiotemporal separation is the capacity for space-times to exist in parallel and therefore never intersect in space and [infinite] time. Since it has nothing to do with different time dimensions inherently, this means multiple space-time continuums can be serviced by a single time axis. The model in question takes advantage of this fact. The idea is, since spatiotemporal separation doesn't inherently introduce new time dimensions, you can assume that a single time axis (that of the overarching timeline) is a singular time dimension that services all of space-time. Therefore, a cosmology with an overarching timeline doesn't need to be modeled as a construction of two temporal dimensions. This means in order to prove that an overarching timeline makes a cosmology Low 1-C, you need evidence that the lesser space-times harbor their own time dimensions.

Which already gives 5-D. By adding the additional time dimension, we get 6-D.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

should I put this on hold for now because we have a tier 0 thread going on now

So, is it fine with you all if I lock this thread temporarily or wait for Elizhaa input

Yeah, the tier 0 thread is far more important, so I'm fine with closing this one for now.
To be honest, I didn't expect the tier 0 thread to be opened so soon, since 2 other tier 0 threads were open as well.

Let me explain this one here, this also applies to the others.

But let me start by saying something that you all misunderstand, that perpendicularity in timelines is not very common, it usually happens in the temporal dimensions, in the time axis, and the timelines are elongated in the direction of these axes.

Anyway, let's go from what you explained, there's one timeline where Rimuru is the real dragon and doesn't die, the other one where Rimuru dies, etc.

The example you give means that these two timelines are just different and independent timelines, they do not mean perpendicular axis, there are even timelines that extend in different directions and are on the same axis.

For example, one from the past to the future and the other from the future to the past... these are still parts of the same axis, even though they are timelines with different directions of flow.

In the timeline example you gave, even though they are independent and different, they are still part of the same axis.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------> Time axis
-----------------> x Rimuru become True dragon.
-----------------> y Rimuru dies.

The example I gave here is a kind of modeled version of the example you gave, that is, two timelines that flow differently and independently from each other, 2 events that happen differently from each other, but two timelines that still extend on the same axis. In short, they are 2 alternative timelines that are different and independent of each other.



This does not necessarily require perpendicularity, it does not provide perpendicularity by default, the model I gave above is already a good example of this.


If they are facing in the same direction, we cannot talk about perpendicularity in any way.

No, it's possible very well...

This is 2 temporal dimensions that are not parallel, different than each other, not facing the same direction but still not perpendicular.

And it's orthogonality. Btw, these were Ultima's examples

Please don't take it as an offense at all, my brother, but I think you typed allat for something the OP never proposed
The OP is proposing that time axes extend in different yet still non-orthogonal directions for individual timelines.
Quoting myself from the OP

So basically, if Timeline A extends towards the 4th Dimension, if we think of that as a line extending in a one-dimensional plane, or say, "filling" said plane, we will realize that to draw another line that is not synchronized to that line, we HAVE to make the other line in a 2-Dimensional plane instead. Though, this does not repeat more the once, since an infinite amount of unsynchronized lines can be drawn in a 2-Dimensional plane, each having their own distinct[but not orthogonal] direction, extending in said directions in a significant way.

I can simply say that no justification here provides a perpendicular temporal direction that would give you extra axis. It just means that what I have read and what I have seen are just different timelines, so they are not different temporal dimensions flowing in different directions. That is, time still flows back and forth in the same direction, even though different timelines are different from each other. So, it's not a perpendicularity.


In short, I don't see tier 1 here.

I also don't understand why hyperspace was given, it seems like a very random scale.

I already explained the back and fourth part previously in the thread. Think it was page 3.
And, for the bolded part, not quite. Although not a "Hyperspace" to be exact, but its the very base of the 5-D reasoning, as explained above.

It's said "there are so called other words residing in alternate dimensions" so how does other world refer to dimension when it's already residing in a dimension?

I don't see what is so hard to understand here. "Worlds" exist inside Dimensions, and in the scan I sent, "Another World" was containing different Worlds. That's simple in itself, so much

What are you debunking when it's simply stated there? It was never used Interchangeably lol. You're just using head canon because the statement is very clear that her time travel takes place in the same axis of time. That was the limitations of her skills

One thing, mate. Grammar. The quote was "took place in the same era, in the same axis of time", anyone with a bit of knowledge on grammar can understand that the "," here means they are using two words interchangeably. It would've been another case, however, if there was "and" instead of ",".

Yes the world contradicts that from happening but if you have enough power (as Chloes mask have) you can shove in any paradox u like as stated here after that statement of the world contradicting stuff

Read. "I mean, there is no other way to explain the existence of the mask", so contradictions are, in fact, verboten. If Chloe had the power to shove the paradoxes aside, Chloe and Luminous wouldn't have to use Holy Arc to seal Chloe every time she travels[since her identity would overlap with child chloe otherwise]. Or to be precise :

• According to your analogy, she travels in the same timeline every time. However, we already know that Luminous creates the Holy Arc every time just before Child Chloe is summoned to the timeline so they both do not overlap. However, if the timeline was the same, then lets say in the very first loop. Chloe travels back in time to point A, and experiences the first cycle. After failing the first cycle, she travels in time again to point A for the second time. However, if she does that, there would be already a chloe that exists in that point, aka the chloe that travelled in time for the first time. This means every time, Luminous would need to make a new holy arc FROM THE VERY START, rather then just before chloe gets summoned to this world. Additionally, this also means that the holy arcs would keep stacking and stacking, until they reach infinity[I already explained before why the cycles are infinite], but that's not the case here at all. We don't see any Chloe other then the first Chloe.
• Now, going by my analogy. If each cycle is a different timeline, then when Chloe from the first timeline, say A, travels to timeline B, there is no existing chloe in the past and everything goes normal, she gets sealed just before child chloe is summoned to that timeline. Then, when she goes back in time again, to timeline C, there won't be any issue either, since Timeline C is an entirely new timeline, there's no "pre-existing time travelling versions" of adult chloe existing in the past of those timelines. Thus, everything goes normal.

That's the simplest way I can explain it to you. And I believe this is as simple as one can get when explaining this type of thing. So simple that even cartoons like Doraemon used this analogy in some episodes[I remember watching some years ago]

First that your interpretation that it has existed since an infinite amount of time is very vague but let's say we even take the Infinite cycle stuff at face value. It won't still change anything because it's stated that her time travel always took place in the same time axis and not different timelines as you're implying lol so it still doesn't mean tensura has infinite timelines

Its not that vague, its directly stated. Its just only you thinking its vague because you can't believe it. Argument from belief.
Additionally, your "only one timeline" is already debunked, as explained above.

I've already explained the contradicting stuff above and why are you separating the words? I only said that the "infinite cycle" can be a metaphorical statement and not cycle or infinte alone so I don't understand why you're seperating both lol

I don't quite get what you're even trying to mean here -_-


Anyways, for everyone. I'mma be fully focusing on the Tier 0 thread, so this thread has to be closed temporarily. I will ask a staff to open this thread again when the prior is over.

 

[Phasewave101]

don't see what is so hard to understand here. "Worlds" exist inside Dimensions, and in the scan I sent, "Another World" was containing different Worlds. That's simple in itself, so much

What? It only said there are so called other world residing in alternate dimensions. How was another world containing different worlds?

One thing, mate. Grammar. The quote was "took place in the same era, in the same axis of time", anyone with a bit of knowledge on grammar can understand that the "," here means they are using two words interchangeably. It would've been another case, however, if there was "and" instead of ",".

One thing, mate. Grammar. The quote was "took place in the same era, in the same axis of time", anyone with a bit of knowledge on grammar can understand that the "," here means they are using two words interchangeably. It would've been another case, however, if there was "and" instead of ",".

The quote was "always took place in the same era in the same axis of time" Why are you ommiting the first word "always" just to suit your argument lol and it isn't used Interchangeably. Stop cherry picking and interpreting that statement wrongly

Read. "I mean, there is no other way to explain the existence of the mask", so contradictions are, in fact, verboten. If Chloe had the power to shove the paradoxes aside, Chloe and Luminous wouldn't have to use Holy Arc to seal Chloe every time she travels[since her identity would overlap with child chloe otherwise]. Or to be precise :

It stated "well not quite, its not that contradictions are verboten, it's is that anything that cause the world to unravel is" so contradictions are not verboten. I don't know why you're rephrasing the statement to suit you

• According to your analogy, she travels in the same timeline every time. However, we already know that Luminous creates the Holy Arc every time just before Child Chloe is summoned to the timeline so they both do not overlap. However, if the timeline was the same, then lets say in the very first loop. Chloe travels back in time to point A, and experiences the first cycle. After failing the first cycle, she travels in time again to point A for the second time. However, if she does that, there would be already a chloe that exists in that point, aka the chloe that travelled in time for the first time. This means every time, Luminous would need to make a new holy arc FROM THE VERY START, rather then just before chloe gets summoned to this world. Additionally, this also means that the holy arcs would keep stacking and stacking, until they reach infinity[I already explained before why the cycles are infinite], but that's not the case here at all. We don't see any Chloe other then the first Chloe.
• Now, going by my analogy. If each cycle is a different timeline, then when Chloe from the first timeline, say A, travels to timeline B, there is no existing chloe in the past and everything goes normal, she gets sealed just before child chloe is summoned to that timeline. Then, when she goes back in time again, to timeline C, there won't be any issue either, since Timeline C is an entirely new timeline, there's no "pre-existing time travelling versions" of adult chloe existing in the past of those timelines. Thus, everything goes normal.

That's the simplest way I can explain it to you. And I believe this is as simple as one can get when explaining this type of thing. So simple that even cartoons like Doraemon used this analogy in some episodes[I remember watching some years ago]

First they mentioned time cycles not timelines so I don't know where u got timelines from. Both are different concepts so I'm not gonna talk about this part again

Its not that vague, its directly stated. Its just only you thinking its vague because you can't believe it. Argument from belief.
Additionally, your "only one timeline" is already debunked, as explained above.

It only stated that the mask compression is Infinity hence why I say your explanation where you concluded it has existed since an infinite amount of time from that statement there is vague because it's just from your own analogy not what is written there lol.

 

[Georredannea15]

@Georredannea15 no one said that it is. Even the OP didn't say that the timeline directions are perpendicular. Reread the spoiler of the 6D explanation.

So let's look at it differently. Going back to what the Tiering System FAQ says, we have:

Here each "snapshot" is a 3-D space with "one time" and all snapshots share the same time. But in our case, each "snapshot" is 4-D and has its own time axis. In doing so, the "one time" that serves these snapshots is therefore a higher time dimension.

Spoiler: YAP

You can model a cosmology with an overarching timeline in a way that makes it a larger hypervolume rather than a greater infinity. What determines spatiotemporal separation is the capacity for space-times to exist in parallel and therefore never intersect in space and [infinite] time. Since it has nothing to do with different time dimensions inherently, this means multiple space-time continuums can be serviced by a single time axis. The model in question takes advantage of this fact. The idea is, since spatiotemporal separation doesn't inherently introduce new time dimensions, you can assume that a single time axis (that of the overarching timeline) is a singular time dimension that services all of space-time. Therefore, a cosmology with an overarching timeline doesn't need to be modeled as a construction of two temporal dimensions. This means in order to prove that an overarching timeline makes a cosmology Low 1-C, you need evidence that the lesser space-times harbor their own time dimensions.

Which already gives 5-D. By adding the additional time dimension, we get 6-D.

We have 2 problems...

1- There's nothing for the 4-D snapshots, literally. What the quote is talking about is that basically "if each timepoint has its own space-time continuum, so a 4-dimensional universe or multiverse, it means this timeline is 5-D", but you... You just have different events and therefore different time points in each timeline, which is basically equivalent to alternate timelines.

Different events on different timelines flowing differently from each other, and therefore different time points =/= 4-D time points and snapshots...

And the second one ;

As I have explained many times above.

In fact, if we go into the verse itself, it only says that there is a different flow of time. So basically what is being talked about is not “different temporal dimension”. The verse is just saying that there are timelines with different streams. And a single temporal dimension can hold multiple timelines with different flows than each other.

Well, even if we think, as you say, that every timeline has its own axis, and even if we think that these axes are independent of each other and have different flows, that still doesn't give you perpendicularity and hyper-timeline, you still thinking the timeline or temporal dimension flowing in different directions as a hyper-timeline, but no.

Just read the general revision I made for this... Thank you!

Anyway... I'm going.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Since you said you were leaving I wanted to not answer but I think it is necessary to correct some points for other people who may also want to object.

1- There's nothing for the 4-D snapshots, literally. What the quote is talking about is that basically "if each timepoint has its own space-time continuum, so a 4-dimensional universe or multiverse, it means this timeline is 5-D", but you... You just have different events and therefore different time points in each timeline, which is basically equivalent to alternate timelines.

Once again you don't take. What I quoted concerns timelines that all share the same time axis while in our case each timeline has its own time axis. These are not alternative timelines but parallel and very distinct timelines.

Different events on different timelines flowing differently from each other, and therefore different time points =/= 4-D time points and snapshots...

Each point is a universe with its own time axis making each point 4-D.

And the second one ;

As I have explained many times above.

In fact, if we go into the verse itself, it only says that there is a different flow of time. So basically what is being talked about is not “different temporal dimension”. The verse is just saying that there are timelines with different streams. And a single temporal dimension can hold multiple timelines with different flows than each other.

I don't know why this is still a problem. It literally says in this scan: with each Timeline having its own Time Dimension[5]. If you want to refute even here that it refers to the flow of time then we can go and consider for all the cosmologies of the wiki that when they talk about time axes it is just the flow of time and therefore not different axes.

Well, even if we think, as you say, that every timeline has its own axis, and even if we think that these axes are independent of each other and have different flows, that still doesn't give you perpendicularity and hyper-timeline, you still thinking the timeline or temporal dimension flowing in different directions as a hyper-timeline, but no.

Always with the same thing. As I have been saying since, if a multiverse contains several universes each with its own time axis, then the time axis of this multiverse is a higher time dimension. No need to prove any orthogonality for this higher time dimension and it is a standard.

Just read the general revision I made for this... Thank you!

Anyway... I'm going.

Thank you!

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

In fact, if we go into the verse itself, it only says that there is a different flow of time. So basically what is being talked about is not “different temporal dimension”. The verse is just saying that there are timelines with different streams. And a single temporal dimension can hold multiple timelines with different flows than each other.

Correction, Timelines are never stated to have a "different flow of time". There's the "Different axis of time" and then there is the "Different direction of future".
"Different flow of time" is used for another construct, not timelines.

Well, even if we think, as you say, that every timeline has its own axis, and even if we think that these axes are independent of each other and have different flows, that still doesn't give you perpendicularity and hyper-timeline, you still thinking the timeline or temporal dimension flowing in different directions as a hyper-timeline, but no.

Again, the point of this thread isn't "Perpendicularity between timelines"
Please read this carefully

In such a case, the Time Axes between those Worlds, while not parallel or overlapping, would also not be Orthogonal to each other. However, there is indeed the fact that if those Time Axis are independent of each other in the sense of having a different direction, even if not orthogonal, then they can qualify for additional higher Dimensions, which would be needed for those time axes to extend to.

Basically, this is because you can draw as many "Lines" on top of each other in a 1-Dimensional Plane, and all those lines would still be in the same direction, even Anti-Parallel Lines would essentially be extending in the same direction, only difference being, simply in reversed flow. Therefore, they can still be represented in a 1-D plane. This is also why in cases where there's a Multiversal construct containing many Space-Time Continuums, by default, we assume that the Time Dimension of each of those Space-Times extends in the same direction, and therefore would not qualify for an additional Higher Dimension, as there's no need for such a higher Dimension to exist for those individual temporal Dimensions to extend to.

However, what if you draw 2 lines that are non-Parallel or not "completely" overlapping? This results in you requiring a 2-Dimensional Plane to contain or draw those lines, because those lines, even if intersecting, must have some "Space" between them, if they are not parallel or completely overlapping. Even if one of the lines is parallel or overlapping with the X-Axis (and thus having its Y-coordinates as 0), the second line, which is not parallel or overlapping to it, must have "some" Y-Coordinates. Resultantly, 2 such lines would always require a 2-Directional plane to represent. A graphical representation would preferably explain better, I suppose.

However, this would not extend to the need of additional Higher Dimensions for each additional Time Axis, because while two lines having different directions need a 2-D plane to be presented, infinite such lines can also be held within the same 2-D plane. We know that Time by nature is Orthogonal to Space, therefore, a Multiverse fulfilling this case must be at least 5-D, the 3-D Space of such a Multiverse would hold the Spatial Aspects of all the Space-Time Continuums it holds, whereas the latter 2-D Plane will hold all the Time Axes of those Space-Times extending in their respective direction. Resultantly, the totality of the Hyperspace would be 5-D. Additionally, in case the Hyperspace also has an overarching Time Dimension, then the Hyper Space-Time would, in this case, be 6-D on total.

So basically, if Timeline A extends towards the 4th Dimension, if we think of that as a line extending in a one-dimensional plane, or say, "filling" said plane, we will realize that to draw another line that is not synchronized to that line, we HAVE to make the other line in a 2-Dimensional plane instead. Though, this does not repeat more the once, since an infinite amount of unsynchronized lines can be drawn in a 2-Dimensional plane, each having their own distinct[but not orthogonal] direction, extending in said directions in a significant way.

Additionally, for the "Overlapping part", we're told that Timelines are never overlapping, thus why no two individuals can overlap on the same time axis. Note that this is the OTL. However, the Kanji used for "Parallel worlds" in the raws is the same as the "parallel universes" used in Volume 11 describing the multiverse theory of parallel universes for each plane of existence.

Raws :

い。また、平行世界が重なり合って存在する事はないので、同一時間軸に同じ存在が重複するのは不可能だ。つまり、一度行ったからといって、同じ場所に行けるという訳ではないのである。ヴェルグリンドが存在する次元の同一時間帯ならば、正確な時空間座標を認識出来ている。だがしかし、そこにはその時点のヴェルグリンドが存在している訳で、究極能力アルティメットスキ『ル炎神之王クトゥグア』の『時空間跳躍』でも跳べないのだ。

Translated :

Also, parallel worlds do not overlap, so it is impossible for the same entity to overlap on the same time axis. In other words, just because you have been there once does not mean you can go to the same place. If it is the same time line in the dimension where Velgrynd exists, we are able to recognize the exact spatio-temporal coordinates. However, the Velgrynd of that time existed there, and therefore she could not jump even with the “space-time leap” of the ultimate ability Ultimate Suki “Cthugua, the King of the Flame Gods”.

And this is the RAWs of Volume 11 of parallel universes, and this is the OTL
Text form :

Raws :

多元宇宙論のように、新しい宇宙がどんどん生まれており、幾つもの平行世界が多数重なって存在するとするならば、そこに矛盾は存在せず、二人のクロエは同時に出会う事が可能だろう。

Translated :

If, as in the many-universe theory, new universes are continually being created, and if there are many parallel worlds overlapping each other, then there is no contradiction, and it would be possible for two Chloes to meet at the same time.

Know that the "Overlapping each other" in the Volume 11 scan was an "IF" from Rimuru, meanwhile the first one I showed was a matter of fact during Velgrynd's own experience.

What? It only said there are so called other world residing in alternate dimensions. How was another world containing different worlds?

Is bro serious right now
That's the very reason I said "World" and "Dimension" are sometimes used interchangeably.

The quote was "always took place in the same era in the same axis of time" Why are you ommiting the first word "always" just to suit your argument lol and it isn't used Interchangeably

LMAO, the "always" has notihng to do with "axis of time" and "era" being used interchangeably. That's a wild red herring you're bringing up
Also, "isn't used interchangeably" isn't an argument. You're merely saying it isn't but not giving the reasoning on why it isn't.

It stated "well not quite, its not that contradictions are verboten, it's is that anything that cause the world to unravel is" so contradictions are not verboten. I don't know why you're rephrasing the statement to suit you

I didn't rephrase it, I merely quoted the line used in the scan. I might have missed the "Possibly" part, but that does not change the meaning of the sentence. Also, I think you're not quite getting the point here. So lemme word it differently.
The "Well not quite, its not that contradictions are verboten" is the second theory Rimuru made due to "I mean, there's no other possible way to explain that mask". It's not a fundamentally accepted fact or necessarily true theory unlike his first statement on "One single World" which he in fact stated as "It seemed, once everything was said and done, that the “one single world” theory was correct—and the world thus would never allow contradictions."

Now, lemme prove myself with another scan, Source is Volume 17 :

Raws :

い。また、平行世界が重なり合って存在する事はないので、同一時間軸に同じ存在が重複するのは不可能だ。つまり、一度行ったからといって、同じ場所に行けるという訳ではないのである。ヴェルグリンドが存在する次元の同一時間帯ならば、正確な時空間座標を認識出来ている。だがしかし、そこにはその時点のヴェルグリンドが存在している訳で、究極能力アルティメットスキ『ル炎神之王クトゥグア』の『時空間跳躍』でも跳べないのだ。

Translated :

Also, parallel worlds do not overlap, so it is impossible for the same entity to overlap on the same time axis. In other words, just because you have been there once does not mean you can go to the same place. If it is the same time line in the dimension where Velgrynd exists, we are able to recognize the exact spatio-temporal coordinates. However, the Velgrynd of that time existed there, and therefore she could not jump even with the “space-time leap” of the ultimate ability Ultimate Suki “Cthugua, the King of the Flame Gods”.

So, it is indeed a matter of fact that the "Overlapping" kind of conditions are indeed factual, and beings cannot overlap in the same parallel world, and parallel worlds themselves do not overlap either.

First they mentioned time cycles not timelines so I don't know where u got timelines from. Both are different concepts so I'm not gonna talk about this part again

Sure, don't talk about it, because you haven't proved a single time why the Time Cycles of Chloe are not different timelines, meanwhile I have, with scans and analogies. This is my last attempt to put some knowledge into you :
The Kanji used for "Parallel Worlds" when talking about timelines in Volume 17 is the same as "Parallel Worlds" being talked about in context to Chloe's time travels and the Multiversal theory in Volume 11. See the scans above, I quoted them for Geor and I'm not gonna do it again, simply because it prolongs the comment unnecessarily.

Also, here, you literally completely ignored my perfectly fine analogy, which is now even more backed up by the scans I showed in this reply. Timelines being called Time Cycles is not much of a thing when its logically[via analogy] and objectively[via the RAW Kanji] proven to be the same thing.

It only stated that the mask compression is Infinity hence why I say your explanation where you concluded it has existed since an infinite amount of time from that statement there is vague because it's just from your own analogy not what is written there lol

Again, not an argument. You're just calling my analogy vague without providing any reason why it is vague or false whatsoever.

Edit : I'll also be adding the Overlapping scan to the OP, ya'll.

 

[Phasewave101]

Is bro serious right now
That's the very reason I said "World" and "Dimension" are sometimes used interchangeably.

Worlds and dimensions were never used Interchangeably in that statement lol. Stop quote mining that statement just for it to suit your narrative

MAO, the "always" has notihng to do with "axis of time" and "era" being used interchangeably. That's a wild red herring you're bringing up
Also, "isn't used interchangeably" isn't an argument. You're merely saying it isn't but not giving the reasoning on why it isn't.

"Apparently her time travel always took place in the same era, in the same axis of time, those were likely the limitations of her skills " The always in this statement is to prove that her time travel always occur in the same era and time axis. Easy as ABC to understand. Nothing to analyse there like you're doing

didn't rephrase it, I merely quoted the line used in the scan. I might have missed the "Possibly" part, but that does not change the meaning of the sentence. Also, I think you're not quite getting the point here. So lemme word it differently.
The "Well not quite, its not that contradictions are verboten" is the second theory Rimuru made due to "I mean, there's no other possible way to explain that mask". It's not a fundamentally accepted fact or necessarily true theory unlike his first statement on "One single World" which he in fact stated as "It seemed, once everything was said and done, that the “one single world” theory was correct—and the world thus would never allow contradictions."

First it was Hinata not rimuru in that scenario and also and also is stated

"well not quite its not that contradictions are verboten- it's anything that causes the world to unravel is. But if you have enough power to force the issue, you can shove in any paradox you like. I mean, there's no other possibile way to explain the mask."

The next line states "Hinata was relieved her guess was correct but at the same time the future began to look much gloomier to her"


U can see it states that her guess was correct. Stop cherry picking lol

Now, lemme prove myself with another scan, Source is Volume 17 :
So, it is indeed a matter of fact that the "Overlapping" kind of conditions are indeed factual, and beings cannot overlap in the same parallel world, and parallel worlds themselves do not overlap either.

I don't know where u saw time axis from because even in deepl it says timeframe for the raw scan not time axis and also vol 17 official translation states :

"No parallel worlds overlapped each other in the universe, so there were never duplicates of the same existence within the same timeline"
not time axis I don't know where you saw or got time axis from in that raw scan.

Sure, don't talk about it, because you haven't proved a single time why the Time Cycles of Chloe are not different timelines, meanwhile I have, with scans and analogies. This is my last attempt to put some knowledge into you :
The Kanji used for "Parallel Worlds" when talking about timelines in Volume 17 is the same as "Parallel Worlds" being talked about in context to Chloe's time travels and the Multiversal theory in Volume 11. See the scans above, I quoted them for Geor and I'm not gonna do it again, simply because it prolongs the comment unnecessarily

In vol 11of TL it states parallel universes not "parallel worlds" in Hinata guess about the multiverse theory. In. Vol 17 official translation its stated " No parallel worlds overlap each other in the universe" so I don't understand what you're trying to imply here and timecycles havs never been used interchangeably with timeline. You're just quote mining

Again, not an argument. You're just calling my analogy vague without providing any reason why it is vague or false whatsoever.

That's just your own explanation lol. It can also mean that the mask grant control over time (like chronos mask in Greek mythology). Thats just your own interpretation so I still have the right to interprete it too in my own explanation lol

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Worlds and dimensions were never used Interchangeably in that statement lol. Stop quote mining that statement just for it to suit your narrative

"Apparently her time travel always took place in the same era, in the same axis of time, those were likely the limitations of her skills " The always in this statement is to prove that her time travel always occur in the same era and time axis. Easy as ABC to understand. Nothing to analyse there like you're doing

First it was Hinata not rimuru in that scenario and also and also is stated

"well not quite its not that contradictions are verboten- it's anything that causes the world to unravel is. But if you have enough power to force the issue, you can shove in any paradox you like. I mean, there's no other possibile way to explain the mask."

The next line states "Hinata was relieved her guess was correct but at the same time the future began to look much gloomier to her"


U can see it states that her guess was correct. Stop cherry picking lol

I don't know where u saw time axis from because even in deepl it says timeframe for the raw scan not time axis and also vol 17 official translation states :

"No parallel worlds overlapped each other in the universe, so there were never duplicates of the same existence within the same timeline"
not time axis I don't know where you saw or got time axis from in that raw scan.

In vol 11of TL it states parallel universes not worlds in Hinata guess about the multiverse theory. In. Vol 17 official translation its stated " No parallel worlds overlap each other in the universe" so I don't understand what you're trying to imply here and timecycles havs never been used interchangeably with timeline. You're just quote mining

That's just your own explanation lol. It can also mean that the mask grant control over time (like chronos mask in Greek mythology). Thats just your own interpretation so I still have the right to interprete it too in my own explanation lol

I should probably leave this to someone else,but I doubt anyone is going to respond to you anymore as it seems like you are purposely trying to derail the thread with arguments that have been continuously debunked.i will respond to two points.


1.) it always being the same time axis is just false.which I believe they have given enough evidence of.

Ah. Well, if someone out there managed to kill Hinata, then whacking me before I became a demon lord didn't seem outrageous.


"I've evolved into a demon lord, but that's no reason to let my guard down."


It may have been a different axis of time, but if someone's killed me once, then of course I was gonna be on the lookout for 'em. If we wound up facing off against the Empire, I'd have to watch out.



2.) the part about her guess being correct was referring to the theory of 1 single world

seemed, once everything was said and done, that the "one single world" theory was correct-and the world thus would never allow contradictions.

She then says in reference to her guess being correct.

the future began to look much gloomier to her. From here on out, she realized, it'd all come down to luck and the efforts of other people.


*..And the thing is, I have zero memories from beyond the moment that happens. If I had to guess, Hinata, you probably take over later and help out Ms.


Izawa for me, but..."

This confirms that what she was talking about was the theory of One single world.

But who knows. I could be wrong. After all it is just my interpretation

 

[Phasewave101]

it always being the same time axis is just false.which I believe they have given enough evidence of

First. It's already stated there that her time travel always took place in the same time axis an those were likely the limitations of her skills so what is there to prove wrong when it's literally stated in the LN official translation?

the part about her guess being correct was referring to the theory of 1 single world

seemed, once everything was said and done, that the "one single world" theory was correct-and the world thus would never allow contradictions.

She then says in reference to her guess being correct.

First it has already stated that her one single world theory was correct before the next statement about her explanation of the mask in which it's also stated her guess was correct

I should probably leave this to someone else,but I doubt anyone is going to respond to you anymore as it seems like you are purposely trying to derail the thread with arguments that have been continuously debunked.i will respond to two points.

I didn't derail anything if u read all my points which are valid.

Anyways I'm out. This has gone on long enough

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Worlds and dimensions were never used Interchangeably in that statement lol. Stop quote mining that statement just for it to suit your narrative

Did I say they were used interchangeably in the same statement? My point is, in different scans and at different instances in the novel, "Dimensions" can sometimes be called Worlds as well. That is pretty clear to anyone who can see the co-relation between those two scans I sent.

"Apparently her time travel always took place in the same era, in the same axis of time, those were likely the limitations of her skills " The always in this statement is to prove that her time travel always occur in the same era and time axis. Easy as ABC to understand. Nothing to analyse there like you're doing

The "Always" is not the point of that part of argument of ours, its the part about Time Axis and "Era" being used interchangeably. Now you're just changing the topic -_-

First it was Hinata not rimuru in that scenario and also and also is stated

"well not quite its not that contradictions are verboten- it's anything that causes the world to unravel is. But if you have enough power to force the issue, you can shove in any paradox you like. I mean, there's no other possible way to explain the mask."

The next line states "Hinata was relieved her guess was correct but at the same time the future began to look much gloomier to her"

Hmm, I'll admit I didn't think it through for whose POV was the italic thoughts. Though, that doesn't change anything, in fact, since in the end, its not whether it was Rimuru or Hinata saying it, but whether the theory, and exactly which part of it, was correct or not. Why? Precisely because a more valid source of Information said otherwise in Volume 17

U can see it states that her guess was correct. Stop cherry picking lol

The image you're requesting does not exist or is no longer available, so it says. Tho, I think I can guess which scan this image was supposed to be.

I don't know where u saw time axis from because even in deepl it says timeframe for the raw scan not time axis and also vol 17 official translation states :

"No parallel worlds overlapped each other in the universe, so there were never duplicates of the same existence within the same timeline"
not time axis I don't know where you saw or got time axis from in that raw scan.

Broken link again
Tho, I can also guess what this image is supposed to be.
However, Errors can exist even in OTL. Example.
The Kanji used is 時間軸, 時間 means Time, and 軸 means Axis/Shaft, the result is the same in different translators as well. A single translation is not always correct, and its always better to use multiple. Though, if you're using DeepL, you wouldn't even need to use another one because DeepL itself provides all the alternative meanings of a word you can get, this is why one should always check the Japanese meaning and THEN the Eng alternatives to see what word is the best translation for it.

Also, I wonder why bro is literally ignoring/trying to dodge the main point of my argument, because it seems you are

My argument, quoting myself : So, it is indeed a matter of fact that the "Overlapping" kind of conditions are indeed factual, and beings cannot overlap in the same parallel world, and parallel worlds themselves do not overlap either.

Your argument, from what I understood from this specific part : "Oh, the time axis part which is not even the main argument, seems to be mistranslated even tho different translations exist, even though the whole point of the opponent's argument is the overlapping part"

In short, you completely ignored the overlapping part that I was discussing about what kind of contradictions can or cannot exist, and instead shifted to another thing.

In vol 11of TL it states parallel universes not worlds in Hinata guess about the multiverse theory. In. Vol 17 official translation its stated " No parallel worlds overlap each other in the universe" so I don't understand what you're trying to imply here and time cycles havs never been used interchangeably with timeline. You're just quote mining

Does bro know how to read
Lemme quote myself again, the terms clearly are used interchangeably here.

If, as in the many-universe theory, new universes are continually being created, and if there are many parallel worlds overlapping each other, then there is no contradiction, and it would be possible for two Chloes to meet at the same time.

The "No contradiction" part proves that "Parallel Worlds" here are talking about Cycles that Chloe looped in. Also, just in case you decide to yap about the "But its calling it parallel worlds, not parallel universes", the kanji can be translated as Parallel Universes, so not even a big thing.

Also, once again, the official translation can have errors, as exemplified above. Why else do you think I'm using the RAWs. The Kanji used for "In the Universe" is 存在, which generally means Existence and can be translated as such. The kanji for parallel universes/worlds however is 平行世界, clearly different for anyone to see.

And, once again, you're also ignoring the whole overlapping thing again, which is one of the main arguments on why the cycles are separate timelines, yet you still continue to yap about how cycles are not separate timelines. You instead chose to believe that "her guess was correct" part which isn't even fully stating to what extent her guess was correct, and even the fact that Hinata is far less reliable and knowledgeable of a source as Velgrynd and her literally travelling between timelines but still stating that two identities cannot overlap in the same parallel world, and nor are parallel worlds overlapping to begin with -_-

That's just your own explanation lol. It can also mean that the mask grant control over time (like chronos mask in Greek mythology). Thats just your own interpretation so I still have the right to interprete it too in my own explanation lol

I can say the same for you. No, actually, while your interpretation is completely separate and just calling it "vague", my case is actually backed up by the "Infinite cycle of death and rebirth" which along with the "its time compression is infinity" clearly means the age of the mask is Infinite, and so are Chloe's loops. The staff has already accepted that way before when the Cosmology was updated to 2-A, so the only one having problems with it is you, and only you so far.

I didn't derail anything if u read all my points which are valid.

Anyways I'm out. This has gone on long enough

Be my guest, because at this point, you're not even bringing up any new points and just dead set on the already debunked ones.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

First. It's already stated there that her time travel always took place in the same time axis an those were likely the limitations of her skills so what is there to prove wrong when it's literally stated in the LN official translation?

First it has already stated that her one single world theory was correct before the next statement about her explanation of the mask in which it's also stated her guess was correct

I didn't derail anything if u read all my points which are valid.

Anyways I'm out. This has gone on long enough

1.) they have already clearly explained that in that sentence it was just talking about the era.

you ignored the scan that directly says they are different.Is it invisible or something?

It may have been a different axis of time, but if someone's killed me once, then of course I was gonna be on the lookout for 'em.

2.) yes it says that her guess was correct before that statement,but the scan you are trying to use to prove your point LITERALLY SAYS

Hinata was relieved that her guess was correct,

All it is saying is ,my theory is correct and I am relieved about it .

Definition:no longer feeling distressed or anxious; reassured.


The reason she is relieved is cause if the theory was wrong then it would be like this.


Chloe’s Unique Skill ‘Time Travel’ was an abnormal case, to the extent that the notion of multiple worlds shouldn’t be surprising. In any case, it was still hard to believe for Hinata.
It was more logical to think that the world was being remade. Or else, if many versions of themselves existed in many worlds, Hinata and Chloe’s efforts would be meaningless in the grand scale of things.
If there is a world that will be saved, then there is another that will perish—Hinata found this idea hard to accept.

 

[Phasewave101]

The "Always" is not the point of that part of argument of ours, its the part about Time Axis and "Era" being used interchangeably. Now you're just changing the topic -_

When were they used interchangeably? Keep quote mining

The "No contradiction" part proves that "Parallel Worlds" here are talking about Cycles that Chloe looped in. Also, just in case you decide to yap about the "But its calling it parallel worlds, not parallel universes", the kanji can be translated as Parallel Universes, so not even a big thing.

It's parallel universe that was stated in the official translation and in vol 17 it stated no parallel worlds overlaps each other in the universe

And, once again, you're also ignoring the whole overlapping thing again, which is one of the main arguments on why the cycles are separate timelines, yet you still continue to yap about how cycles are not separate timelines. You instead chose to believe that "her guess was correct" part which isn't even fully stating to what extent her guess was correct, and even the fact that Hinata is far less reliable and knowledgeable of a source as Velgrynd and her literally travelling between timelines but still stating that two identities cannot overlap in the same parallel world, and nor are parallel worlds overlapping to begin with

First velgrynd time travel to different timelines and Chloes time cycle or loop in the same time axis are two different aspects. Why are you relating them together when time cycles and time lines are two different aspects?.

can say the same for you. No, actually, while your interpretation is completely separate and just calling it "vague", my case is actually backed up by the "Infinite cycle of death and rebirth" which along with the "its time compression is infinity" clearly means the age of the mask is Infinite, and so are Chloe's loops. The staff has already accepted that way before when the Cosmology was updated to 2-A, so the only one having problems with it is you, and only you so far.

How does that statement mean the age of the mask is Infinite? Anyways this is also your own explanation too and I have mine. The staff can accept it tho doesn't still make it correct. This verse is just overwanked

Be my guest, because at this point, you're not even bringing up any new points and just dead set on the already debunked ones

Debunking what is literally said in the LN by quote mining and cherry picking all these while? Sure bud
I'm already tired of you trying to debunk what is literally said with your own headcanon. No need to take more time here

 

[Phasewave101]

1.) they have already clearly explained that in that sentence it was just talking about the era.

you ignored the scan that directly says they are different.Is it invisible or something?

It may have been a different axis of time, but if someone's killed me once, then of course I was gonna be on the lookout for 'em.

2.) yes it says that her guess was correct before that statement,but the scan you are trying to use to prove your point LITERALLY SAYS

Hinata was relieved that her guess was correct,

All it is saying is ,my theory is correct and I am relieved about it .

Definition:no longer feeling distressed or anxious; reassured.


The reason she is relieved is cause if the theory was wrong then it would be like this.


Chloe’s Unique Skill ‘Time Travel’ was an abnormal case, to the extent that the notion of multiple worlds shouldn’t be surprising. In any case, it was still hard to believe for Hinata.
It was more logical to think that the world was being remade. Or else, if many versions of themselves existed in many worlds, Hinata and Chloe’s efforts would be meaningless in the grand scale of things.
If there is a world that will be saved, then there is another that will perish—Hinata found this idea hard to accept.

So I should believe his own headcanon over what is said in the LN. Nah I can't do that and your quote here is literally a fan translation. I sent the official in the posts above. Goodluck

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

So I should believe his own headcanon over what is said in the LN. Nah I can't do that and your quote here is literally a fan translation. I sent the official in the posts above. Goodluck

It isn’t head canon have already proven it with scans from the novel. And since you want to use OTL vol 12 chapter 1 literally says DIFFERENT AXIS OF TIME. you will get reported if you continue to derail the thread. I downloaded official translation just to see what it says


“I’ve evolved into a demon lord, but that’s no reason to let my guard down.”
It may have been a different axis of time, but if someone’s killed me once, then of course I was gonna be on the lookout for ’em. If we wound up facing off against the Empire, I’d have to watch out.
“That’s a good idea,” said Chloe. “The Empire’s a lot more dangerous than you think, Rimuru. Veldora went berserk after you were killed, but the Empire repelled him, too.”

Excerpt From
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, Vol. 12
Fuse and Mitz Vah
This material may be protected by copyright.

 

[Phasewave101]

It isn’t head canon have already proven it with scans from the novel. And since you want to use OTL vol 12 chapter 1 literally says DIFFERENT AXIS OF TIME. you will get reported if you continue to derail the thread. I downloaded official translation just to see what it says


“I’ve evolved into a demon lord, but that’s no reason to let my guard down.”
It may have been a different axis of time, but if someone’s killed me once, then of course I was gonna be on the lookout for ’em. If we wound up facing off against the Empire, I’d have to watch out.
“That’s a good idea,” said Chloe. “The Empire’s a lot more dangerous than you think, Rimuru. Veldora went berserk after you were killed, but the Empire repelled him, too.”

Excerpt From
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, Vol. 12
Fuse and Mitz Vah
This material may be protected by copyright.

The same way that chloes time travel always took place in the same era and time axis so. I don't understand what you're trying to prove here and how is Rimuru statement in vol 12 related to Chloe's explanation about her time travel to Hinata in vol 11 lol? If u want to report me, be my guest lol. Most of u here are tensura fans so I understand the situation here

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

The same way that chloes time travel always took place in the same era and time axis so. I don't understand what you're trying to prove here and how is Rimuru statement in vol 12 related to Chloe's explanation about her time travel to Hinata in vol 11 lol? If u want to report me, be my guest lol. Most of u here are tensura fans so I understand the situation here

I will take that as a concession. Your only argument was that it was ftl,but now that it is otl you have a different contention.even though rimuru’s knowledge literally came from being told

 

[Tempestdragon6]

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

Just a minor note, if you wish to report someone who is obnoxious, it is preferable to report them here. It's more effective than simply pushing report button on their comments.

 

[Phasewave101]

I will take that as a concession. Your only argument was that it was ftl,but now that it is otl you have a different contention.even though rimuru’s knowledge literally came from being told

First i only said how is Chloe's explanation to Hinata about her time travel travel skills in vol 11 which you people chose to ignore related to what rimuru said in vol 12? Take it as a concession or however you want. since you guys are not even considering my own opinion. No need to waste my time here lol

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

First i only said how is Chloe's explanation to Hinata about her time travel travel skills in vol 11 which you people chose to ignore related to what rimuru said in vol 12? Take it as a concession or however you want. since you guys are not even considering my own opinion. No need to waste my time here lol

I should not even need to explain the relation. It is very clear to anyone who can read. I think everyone would appreciate you leaving as you are continuing to derail. I will not be responding anymore

 

[Georredannea15]

Since you said you were leaving I wanted to not answer but I think it is necessary to correct some points for other people who may also want to object.

Once again you don't take. What I quoted concerns timelines that all share the same time axis while in our case each timeline has its own time axis. These are not alternative timelines but parallel and very distinct timelines.

I don't know how many times I've said it, but even if this timelines have their own different axes and different flows, they don't give you perpendicularity.

Also saying that they are “parallel” refutes this in the first place and cuts any argument. If the verse states that they are parallel (which it does) then there can be no discussion of any hypertimeline in the first place.

Each point is a universe with its own time axis making each point 4-D.

The argument is good, but it is not in the verse. The best example of a single time points and snapshots containing an entire multiverse and being 4-D is in the DBH, but it is not here.

I don't know why this is still a problem. It literally says in this scan: with each Timeline having its own Time Dimension[5]. If you want to refute even here that it refers to the flow of time then we can go and consider for all the cosmologies of the wiki that when they talk about time axes it is just the flow of time and therefore not different axes.

Even if they all have their own time dimension or axis, it still doesn't give you “perpendicularity”. I even gave you Ultima's example above, it doesn't change anything.

Always with the same thing. As I have been saying since, if a multiverse contains several universes each with its own time axis, then the time axis of this multiverse is a higher time dimension. No need to prove any orthogonality for this higher time dimension and it is a standard.

No, the general revision I edited earlier was already arguing that this was completely wrong and should be removed from the standards and it passed...

Re:evulation of temporal dimension standards

Alr, here we go! I'd like to mention that I obtained permission from @Qawsedf234 🙏 This structure can then be generalized to any number of dimensions, which is why destroying a spacetime continuum is a greater feat than destroying only the contents of the physical universe (Low 2-C, rather...

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Imagine multiple different 1D lines, if they extend in parallel or “not perpendicular” you will never be able to form a 2D geometric object from them, the same logic applies here. In short, this argument is just wrong and not valid in the standards.

Thank you!

And also ;

Correction, Timelines are never stated to have a "different flow of time". There's the "Different axis of time" and then there is the "Different direction of future".
"Different flow of time" is used for another construct, not timelines.

They are basically same things...

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

It isn’t head canon have already proven it with scans from the novel. And since you want to use OTL vol 12 chapter 1 literally says DIFFERENT AXIS OF TIME. you will get reported if you continue to derail the thread. I downloaded official translation just to see what it says


“I’ve evolved into a demon lord, but that’s no reason to let my guard down.”
It may have been a different axis of time, but if someone’s killed me once, then of course I was gonna be on the lookout for ’em. If we wound up facing off against the Empire, I’d have to watch out.
“That’s a good idea,” said Chloe. “The Empire’s a lot more dangerous than you think, Rimuru. Veldora went berserk after you were killed, but the Empire repelled him, too.”

Excerpt From
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, Vol. 12
Fuse and Mitz Vah
This material may be protected by copyright.

Brother it's useless, I showed him scans of the same quote he thinks debunks the "different timelines" with OTL and yet he keeps fighting with debunked arguments and the worst thing is he thinks he's right

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

The same way that chloes time travel always took place in the same era and time axis so. I don't understand what you're trying to prove here and how is Rimuru statement in vol 12 related to Chloe's explanation about her time travel to Hinata in vol 11 lol? If u want to report me, be my guest lol. Most of u here are tensura fans so I understand the situation here

I've never seen someone ignore so much evidence from the same volume that makes that point clear, you'd better create your own thread soon, though it won't last to be debunked.

 

[Berga14]

I've never seen someone ignore so much evidence from the same volume that makes that point clear, you'd better create your own thread soon, though it won't last to be debunked.

Can you all please stop debating over nothing? OP currently has a tier 0 thread open and all arguments here have been addressed. So for now i ask everyone to stop writing here untill staff comes.

 

[Fixxed]

That statement on its own isn't indicative lf two temporal direction. Since it's still moving forward-backward.

I was asked to say this

Soo when you guys count @Qawsedf234 disagreement???