TenSura LN Major Revision - Raphael is a Regeneration Device

[CelestialVortex01]

Can y'all take a break for a couple hours and stop yapping for once

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Basically: false accusation without evidence. I didn't change/edit my arguments at any point, at most I stopped arguing about one thing or another.

Are you sure about that?

I literally posted a scan of this, I know this very well, even if you are right that "heart" refers to the core, it is still stated that Raphael exists "in the right corner of Rimuru's soul", so unless there is something that refute this, if Rimuru is completely destroyed, so is Raphael.

Except, that ignores the counter-argument presented in the thread's OP, so ignorance once again.

I never said that hit was a direct hit,

Which I never claimed you did either

I said the "assumption" is still talking specifically about that hit, the "assumption" is if THAT hit caught on like it was supposed to.

To be exact, that hit + the additional conditions that Raphael and Rimuru added. Not exactly the exact same thing.

*Core

Editing your question with that, it becomes this:

How about you prove that when Rimuru uses the skill as a "shield" (sacrifices it), the skill remains existing ONLY in Rimuru's core? Which is what really needs to be proven here, despite the manga and LN pointing out that the sacrifice of skill causes the skill to be used as a "shield" that is in front of Rimuru's body.

Because there's nothing in the whole narrative where someone brings a skill outside their soul or heart core[on which the skill is engraved].
The thing that you're pointing out as "Shield" is only the non-physical phenomenon manifested through the skill, as explained in the Skills and Magic page.
Additionally, if a skill is in the heart core, it is considered "impossible to remove" even for someone like Ciel:

There are abilities that can seize skills from the enemy, but they only work if the skill is “in residence” like that. Some exceptional skills can reside in the soul instead, but those could be snatched away as well. So if a skill’s carved into a soul, that makes it much harder to steal?

Not for certain. However, if it has bonded to a heart core, it is impossible to remove.
~ Volume 18

And if you're gonna say "then how did Disintegration remove it", that's because:

• that's a unique property of Disintegration, its ability to reach the core and the information particles in that core. However, even Ciel, an upgraded version of Raphael, cannot do something like bringing the skill itself[the set of information] outside the heart core and info the physical world, and that holds true at least for Volume 18 Ciel, which is before Rimuru became a DLF.
• The context is about seizing skills directly without effecting the heart, which goes along your line of thought of "making the skill come to the hand outside the heart". Disintegration is outright destroying the skill by destroying the heart core, partially or completely.

From the moment the skill is being used outside of Rimuru's body, this goes against what you say, the skill is sacrificed at the same moment Beelzebuth consumes the Melt Slash, nothing indicates that the blow went through the skill and reached the core, just that the act of "consuming"/using the ability and sacrificing was the same act.

Not really. With your logic that means in all instances where Beelzebuth consumed something in the anime, it should also be sacrificed in each and every one of those moment.

The blow didn't "went through the skill and reached the heart core", but "went through the soul, reached the heart core, and than destroyed the skill". And again, that argument about "the skill coming to Rimuru's hand in its literal form" is nonsensical and contradicted by the physiology pages.

This does not prove that a "sacrificed" skill continues to exist only within the core,

Not really, that IS what a skill is, data engraved on the soul or the core.

it is one thing to say that just the use of the skill is just the phenomenon being brought into reality and that the skill continues to exist in the core, another thing is to say that the sacrificing a skill leaves it remaining only in the core, Rimuru is literally sacrificing the skill, not just invoking it, they are two different things.

Bro what
read the novel again rather then the manga and come again. And when you come back, give me ONE SCAN that says the same skill, as a set of data, can exist in both the heart core and outside in the physical world "on the arm of the user"....

And no, they are not different things. To sacrifice a skill you have to activate/invoke it and stop the incoming attack.

Report. It is suggested to sacrifice your ultimate skill Beelzebuth, Lord of Gluttony, to cancel out this attack.

I knew I could rely on old Professor Raphael at a time like this. As much as I hated to let go of Beelzebuth, I didn’t have much choice here. Out of all the suggestions it had, this was the most likely one to work, so there wasn't much point wavering on a decision. At this speed, besides, aiming practically didn’t matter. It’s not like I could adjust my trajectory midway. Raphael used Predict Future Attack to calculate the point Hinata aimed at, activating Beelzebuth at that exact spot. The moment her sword hit me, Beelzebuth would swallow it all up—or so the plan went. Pretty simple. No reason to waver. And in another few scant moments, Hinata’s skill crossed paths with Beelzebuth.

And again, your whole "another thing is to say that the sacrificing a skill leaves it remaining only in the core" is baseless because skills, to begin with, exist in the heart core. A Skill is a Soul power.

Whether it belongs to a human being or a monster, all souls have a set quality and quantity. It is composed of matter known as dataparticles, and through managing and applying certain forces to them, it’s possible to control life and death to some extent.

The souls of plants and animals house only a very tiny amount of energy. Human souls, meanwhile, have tons and tons. We’vealready confirmed that a certain amount is given to everyone equally, and the ability to fully hardness that soul energy leads to the manifestation of soul powers—or what we call special skills. This data, engraved in your soul since birth, is the source of those powers.

So is the data written directly onto this energy? Not exactly. First, there’s the ego, a set of amorphous wavelengths within the soul, and the group of data particles that surrounds it. This is known as the heart, and that’s where all the data is stored. The crystallized energy that covers this heart is what we call the soul.

So there's nothing in the novel that says a skill can exist both inside the core and outside in the physical world at the same time, insofar as that when a skill is "scarified", only the part in the physical world is scarified.

"another thing is to say that the sacrificing a skill leaves it remaining only in the core" itself means that before the sacrifice, the skill existed somewhere outside the core in the physical world and in the core at the same time, which is contradictory because the things/visuals we see when skills are activated are the non-physical phenomenon that are realized through the usage of those skills; it's not the skill itself.

A skill itself[data] is different from the visuals that are "on the arm" that you're so talking about.

Same thing as before.
No, my argument does not contradict the page, the page mentions that skills/magic are phenomena brought into reality, while the real skill remains existing in the core, but nothing says about the sacrifice being the same thing as just invoking the skill,

Which I never said either -_-
The sacrifice is the skill itself.
The invoked skill produces phenomenon in real life realized through the skill.
That is the whole point I'm arguing with you.

the point "Sacrificing" is literally taking the existing ability in the core itself and causing it to be destroyed by actually invoking it as a "shield" (something that can be seen in the LN itself).

And I never said something against that. My point is that for the "existing ability in the core" to be destroyed, you have to reach the core itself. The "shield" that Rimuru involved in front of his body was the non-physical phenomenon realized in the real world through the usage of the skill, but to destroy the skill itself, you have to reach the heart.

If the sacrifice were just the invocation of a spell/skill existing in the core into reality, as it normally is, then there would be no sacrifice of the ability itself, since the ability itself would still only exist in the core, this would be a serious contradiction with the act of "sacrificing" a skill, then it is quite obvious that the act of using/invoking the skill is about taking the skill itself and using it as a shield bringing it into reality as a sacrifice.

Yep, and I never said anything against that except the last point I bolded out. The thing being used as a "shield" is the non-physical phenomenon; Skills rooted in the heart cannot just "be removed from the core and bringing the skill itself into reality". The reason why the skill was destroyed to begin with was because disintegration reached the heart core, which is proved[and which I quoted many times] in Volume Nineteen.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Can y'all take a break for a couple hours and stop yapping for once

I want a break too y'know, I ain't yapping just because I want to

 

[Meli_Tempest]

How is it possible that people don't even know that it is impossible to separate a skill from the core? It's so hard to read? it's on the page!

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Again reread your scan and mark this headcanon you are spitting and resend the scan it you can even find the word in there.

disintegration can destroy peoples souls ,the scan literally says what remained after hinatas soul was crushed was her skill ,where is the headcanon.
Even the profile pages says disintegration has conceptual and information destruction

 

[Berga14]

disintegration can destroy peoples souls ,the scan literally says what remained after hinatas soul was crushed was her skill ,where is the headcanon.
Even the profile pages says disintegration has conceptual and information destruction

Again reread your scan and mark this headcanon you are spitting and resend the scan it you can even find the word in there.

Disintegration DESTROYS souls, there isn't a possibility to unlock souls as it was a "possible" target.

 

[Dog3352]

Are you sure about that?

Yes, it remains a false accusation, most of my comments are edited, I use Google translate, which makes mistakes in several words and I have to fix it, so unless you show my comment before editing with a different argument , these are now two false accusations.

I'm not going to argue with you about the sacrifice thing, but mentioning that there is no moment that says or shows that it is possible to separate the skill from the core doesn't prove anything, the sacrifice of skill is a unique thing and different from all other things related to magic/skill, if the sacrifice only brought the phenomenon of the skill to reality like the normal use of any common magic/skill, the sacrifice of the skill completely loses its meaning in all aspects, and the LN (Rimuru) itself makes it very clear that Rimuru would ask for the core skill, since he even gets confused when Raphael uses the skill again, everything in the LN points out that Rimuru used the core's own skill as a shield, and the sacrifice is about losing the skill that is in the core permanently, and him using the skill does not refute the point of the "sacrifice" clearly not being just the use of the skill (Raphael literally states that the activation of beelzebuth to consume Melt Slash and the sacrifice used to cancel the attack were two different things that happened at the same time, so him using the ability proves nothing, since him using the skill is not the sacrifice in itself)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yes, it remains a false accusation, most of my comments are edited, I use Google translate, which makes mistakes in several words and I have to fix it, so unless you show my comment before editing with a different argument , these are now two false accusations.

I only pointed out the SS earlier because you said you hadn't edited your replies while for me it showed it was edited.
Mind you, I'm not arguing against you changing your argument via the edit, just, the point of you "editing" your posts.

I'm not going to argue with you about the sacrifice thing, but mentioning that there is no moment that says or shows that it is possible to separate the skill from the core doesn't prove anything, the sacrifice of skill is a unique thing and different from all other things related to magic/skill, if the sacrifice only brought the phenomenon of the skill to reality like the normal use of any common magic/skill, the sacrifice of the skill completely loses its meaning in all aspects, and the LN (Rimuru) itself makes it very clear that Rimuru would ask for the core skill, since he even gets confused when Raphael uses the skill again, everything in the LN points out that Rimuru used the core's own skill as a shield, and the sacrifice is about losing the skill that is in the core permanently, and him using the skill does not refute the point of the "sacrifice" clearly not being just the use of the skill (Raphael literally states that the activation of beelzebuth to consume Melt Slash and the sacrifice used to cancel the attack were two different things that happened at the same time, so him using the ability proves nothing, since him using the skill is not the sacrifice in itself)

You're not really understanding anything once again.
It's not just "there's no moment that says or shows that it is possible to separate a skill", but there's also Ciel's direct statement that such a thing is impossible, even for her, despite Ciel obviously being superior to both Rimuru and Raphael [their Volume 7 versions] in all aspects, the most important one being knowledge.
We're given a "it's impossible to separate them" statement from the evolutionary higher state of the literal thing that suggested to "sacrifice" the skill in the earlier volumes. So saying otherwise is outright saying Ciel or Raphael is wrong.

Not for certain. However, if it has bonded to a heart core, it is impossible to remove. ~ Volume 18

"and the sacrifice is about losing the skill that is in the core permanently" and I never argued against that.
"Raphael literally states that the activation of beelzebuth to consume Melt Slash and the sacrifice used to cancel the attack were two different things that happened at the same time" which doesn't go anything against what I said either The point is, you're continuously assuming that the skill must come out of the core and onto Rimuru's hand just for the "sacrifice" and "skill destruction" to happen when that can fully well happen even without that happening. Disintegration is a spiritual attack, as I've said multiple times, it reaches the heart core as well, that's why it could destroy Beelzebuth. That is pointed out very clearly in Volume 19 in the scan I sent earlier and you cannot deny that. Just because "the skill's activation" and "sacrifice" happened in the same scene, does not mean the skill itself came out of the core and onto Rimuru's hand. You're basing your argument on a single manga panel when, once again, your whole point is contradicted throughout the novel.

 

[Dog3352]

I only pointed out the SS earlier because you said you hadn't edited your replies while for me it showed it was edited.
Mind you, I'm not arguing against you changing your argument via the edit, just, the point of you "editing" your posts.

You're not really understanding anything once again.
It's not just "there's no moment that says or shows that it is possible to separate a skill", but there's also Ciel's direct statement that such a thing is impossible, even for her, despite Ciel obviously being superior to both Rimuru and Raphael [their Volume 7 versions] in all aspects, the most important one being knowledge.
We're given a "it's impossible to separate them" statement from the evolutionary higher state of the literal thing that suggested to "sacrifice" the skill in the earlier volumes. So saying otherwise is outright saying Ciel or Raphael is wrong.

"and the sacrifice is about losing the skill that is in the core permanently" and I never argued against that.
"Raphael literally states that the activation of beelzebuth to consume Melt Slash and the sacrifice used to cancel the attack were two different things that happened at the same time" which doesn't go anything against what I said either The point is, you're continuously assuming that the skill must come out of the core and onto Rimuru's hand just for the "sacrifice" and "skill destruction" to happen when that can fully well happen even without that happening. Disintegration is a spiritual attack, as I've said multiple times, it reaches the heart core as well, that's why it could destroy Beelzebuth. That is pointed out very clearly in Volume 19 in the scan I sent earlier and you cannot deny that. Just because "the skill's activation" and "sacrifice" happened in the same scene, does not mean the skill itself came out of the core and onto Rimuru's hand. You're basing your argument on a single manga panel when, once again, your whole point is contradicted throughout the novel.

So Ciel completely contradicts his own actions in volume 7, it's one thing for Ciel to say such a thing while nothing in the LN shows a skill itself coming out of the nucleus, it's another thing for Ciel to declare such a thing when Rimuru and Raphael make it clear several times that the skill in itself is being sacrificed to stop the attack as a shield, not that Rimuru is letting the blow reach its core to specifically destroy that skill.
I didn't deny that disintegration affects the core, but nothing in vol 7 says that such a thing happened, as I said, the meaning of "sacrificing" the skill completely loses its meaning, and the point is for the core skill to be destroyed/erasing to defend the core attack, nothing shows/evidences/declares that Melt Slash destroyed the invocation/use of Beelzebuth and directly destroyed the core skill, the sacrifice/erasure/destruction of the skill iself was something that Rimuru/Raphael himself did, not Hinata.

And I looked at the context, and Ciel doesn't say that it's impossible for the user itself of the skill to remove it, but rather that it's impossible for someone else to remove/steal it.

 

[Berga14]

Ciel to declare such a thing when Rimuru and Raphael make it clear several times that the skill in itself is being sacrificed to stop the attack

At this point you are just refusing the evidence, idk how astral can even answer to you anymore.
THE SKILL DOESN'T NEED TO EXIT THE CORE. DISINTEGRATION REACH BOTH PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL ASPETC OF THE TARGET. Also the skill can't get out the core. Also not once was sayd or shown that the skill went out, what you see is just the normal effect of the skill that absorb Hinata attack. The sacrifice is just a word not some special tecnique or something, Raphael just wanted to save rimuru and analize Melt Slash/spiritrons but she knew that absorbing and tanking an attack that erase info would result in belzebub getting erased.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Ok, I've fully gone through the blog and I'm ready to give a response now, will probably also refute what was said in the counter arguments section.

First and foremost, the CRT used the same repeated arguments from this CRT in the past, which had already been rejected. You can read the counterarguments against the OP from there for more details.

From the previous CRT, the reason for the removal of the rating initially was:

• Infinite Regeneration is a Skill; how can it work even if the Heart Core would be supposedly destroyed by Disintegration?
• Disintegration has limits; it might have not destroyed Rimuru's Heart Core, and he could be a similar case to Veldora.
• Infinite Regeneration takes Magicules, how could it be deployed if Rimuru's entire being was destroyed, including his Magicules?

First off, no, the arguments from my thread back then were not refuted. The thread was closed as a compromise as a result couldn't be reached between either side along with the supporters not even answering the main argument so I don't appreciate the use of my past failure as a stepping stone to pass off something like this.

1st Argument Counter​

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For some reason you started off contradicting yourself. "Infinite regeneration doesn't use up massive amounts of energy" goes on to show scans of it using massive amounts of energy. Either way, the amount of magicules it requires was never a prerequisite to whether it qualifies for HGR in the first place.
As I mentioned previously, the existence of soul energy as a replacement for magicules still goes against the standard for HG as having soul energy still indicates the existence of one's core and consequently, it not being destroyed.

2nd Argument Counter​

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Well, to be clear, the Heart Core was (and would be) destroyed, COMPLETELY, because Rimuru did take Disintegration/Melt Slash completely Head On. That would naturally include Infinite Regeneration since that's a Skill too. However, what was not (and would not be) destroyed was Raphael.​

The OTL missed the Kanji "直撃", which means "Direct Hit". Yes, the assumption that Rimuru would have survived Melt Slash via Infinite Regeneration was based on a "Direct Hit" principle, not some "Could have been dodged" one. Melt Slash, under this assumption, would have really destroyed Rimuru, Soul and All.

Nobody ever once confused what "direct hit" means neither did anyone think he would dodge. The fact the regeneration skill was brought up by Raphael already makes it clear it was in context of Rimuru being hit, simple deductive reasoning.
Where is the assumption Infinite regeneration was destroyed too even coming from? Only one skill was destroyed that being Beelzebuth and the only reason it was destroyed in the first place was because Rimuru defended himself with it. It is not only a massive leap of logic to assume the attack destroyed all other skills but then still contradict oneself by saying Raphael, another skill wasn't destroyed.

This also means that Raphael would have made a backup for Infinite Regeneration as well. Now, you might be wondering, then how would Rimuru's Heart Core be completely destroyed if Raphael, a Skill that is supposed to be INSIDE the Heart Core, was not (and would not be) destroyed?

Well, simple, because Raphael isn't in Rimuru's Heart Core, it's DIRECTLY and VERY CLEARLY clarified as an exception to that rule:

Did reading comprehension go on vacation or something? Even if Raphael got a separate core, it is still inside Rimuru not to mention nothing in the scan says Raphael is a exception.

But deep down, in a heart he should never have had, in a corner of Rimuru’s soul—a will was born. A self, to put it another way. There had to be one there or else a skill wouldn’t evolve in such rogue fashion in order to fulfill its master’s wishes

I smelt bull from this so I went in search of the full context and this isn't talking about Raphael gaining some heartcore of it's own, it's about it becoming sentient, gaining emotions. Either way, this doesn't make it some separate existence from Rimuru when it is still part of his soul.

Regardless of his internal conflicts, Raphael continued with his incomparably accurate work. He analyzed and assessed nearly a hundred monsters at the same time, repairing their bodies, regenerating their souls, and finally resurrecting them. It was a seamless flow, not a single extraneous motion involved, and everything was handled at the right place and time. Before the monsters in town realized it, the miracle had secretly completed itself.

I may not be an avid slime reader but I have read through volumes 1-6/7, followed the anime from the first season and this comes from volume 5. This is simply resurrection as their bodies are still there, Raphael isn't regenerating their souls, the anti-magic (?) erected in tempest prevented their souls from dissipating and Rimuru further strengthened the barrier so their souls are still very much there. They aren't being regenerated from scratch but are being repaired at best similar to their bodies.

On the topic of contradictions..."The term used here is also "Regeneration", not "Resurrect"." Doesn't that scan say he resurrected them?

So, to summarize, this simply means Raphael has backed up all of Rimuru's Skills, and questionably, even Rimuru himself (his memories, ego and all).

Now we have two assumptions here of how Rimuru would survive a direct hit from Melt Slash:

1. Raphael would have regenerated Rimuru's Ego(questionable if it was destroyed to begin with), Heart Core and Soul itself, and then regenerate his Physical Body via Infinite Regeneration.
2. Raphael would have regenerated Infinite Regeneration alone, and afterwards, use Infinite Regeneration to regenerate everything, including the Heart Core, Soul, and Physical Body.

More leaps in logic and assumptions. At this point, one might as well self proclaim themselves the author.
I also find something here interesting. Every mention of infinite regeneration is always in reference to the physical body be it Raphael saying Rimuru can regenerate his physical body instantly, Shion being said to be physically immortal, Rimuru not being sure he can regenerate by saying he can probably (emphasis on probably) regenerate his body if it's reduced to goo (Vol. 6 Ch. 5 Pg. 270). It's hard to believe that Raphael in all it's wisdom would make a significant distinction for regenerating just the body for no reason.

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That brings an end to the portion about the blog and as for the OP...

• Raphael still resides in Rimuru's Soul; Even if it has a different heart, it should still be a part of Rimuru's aspects!

Answer: Not even close. Raphael is not only stated to be an entirely separate Heart Core from Rimuru's, it is also directly called "Soulless". Therefore, there's a clear distinction made and Raphael, albeit Rimuru's skill that resides IN his soul, is not a part of it and is independent of it entirely.

Raphael is never stated to be separate, just sentient, gained emotions. Stop saying what isn't mentioned or implied in the scans, you're already notorious for this.
"Heart" is clearly referring to emotions here not the nucleic heart and even if Raphael did gain a nucleic heart of it's own, it is literally said to be in a corner of Rimuru's soul. Wouldn't being soulless further disprove the existence of a heartcore?
You put a box within another box and shoot disintegration at it, why won't both boxes get nuked? Raphael cannot be in hos soul and not part of it, even if one concedes and says Raphael is not part of Rimuru's soul, it's still inside him.

• How would Raphael not be erased as well if Rimuru were to experience a "direct hit" from Disintegration/Melt Slash?

Answer: There can be a few reasons to that. Either Raphael would separate itself from Rimuru's Soul before Disintegration erases it, or Raphael has a backup for itself in the Laws of the World, since Raphael is, ultimately, and so are all skills, part of the Set of Laws of the World (World System).

They call him 007, 0 statements, 0 feats, 7 contradicting assumptions backed by no scans. Where has Raphael separated itself before? Where is it said it backed itself up to the VoTW? We only allow assumptions such as these when they are backed by statements that support it.

• Regarding the first assumption, how could it separate itself faster then Disintegration/Melt Slash hits it when Speed of Light is supposed to be the maximum Physical Speed as stated in-verse?

Answer: The Heart Core is made up of Information Particles (which travel at Immeasurable Speed when forced to move by a will/ego), or simply say, they can travel any spatial or temporal distance in 0 time. So its plausible.

Funny, suddenly there's no speed cap anymore. It was said infinite regen could regenerate rimuru faster than disintegration, meltslash can destroy him and the SoL cap was brought up. Since infinite regen can regenerate info particles as you're claiming and they move at immeasurable speed, nothing stops it from outperforming the erasure. The SoL cap as a counter was bull, simply regenerating at the same speed is enough to outlast an attack and simply because said attack travels at that speed doesn't mean the erasure is being done at that speed.

• How would Infinite Regeneration be able to regenerate the core when its explicitly stated in Shion's core that it cannot regenerate from Core destruction?

Answer: Because as stated in the sandbox, each skill, even if it shares the same name, is different in working and potency. Just because Shion's skill is limited to core destruction doesn't mean Rimuru's skill is so as well.

So prior to the downgrade, why did everyone with infinite regen get HGR? If two skills aren't the same despite sharing the same name then they shouldn't be scalable to each other. There might be profiles that still share the same abilities by virtue of possessing the same skill as such they should be limited to their own feats. You don't get to pull this just cause it's convenient for you.

• Is there any example that supports that Skills can work after core destruction and can regenerate data particles?

Answer: Indeed, and very clearly so. You can see this post for an example. So yes, there are skills that still work even after having their Heart Core disintegrated.

At this point I don't think I care about the thread again. Astral_Trinity is hereby excommunicated from the community of wankers. The scan in the message you linked not only once again contradicts your line of reasoning but also serves as an anti-feat to disintegration.

However, my trusted companion, the Wise King Raphael, had a different opinion.
《—He was indeed hit directly. However, just after it was confirmed that Prelix's magical elements were disintegrated and the spiritual particles scattered, they recombined in a strange way.》

Both contradict you and serve as an anti-feat. Magical elements refers to magicules, spiritual particles refer to spiritrons and things associated with it. Disintegration destroyed the magical elements but only scattered the spiritual particles meaning they were not destroyed. Secondly, his nucleic heart that is info particles clearly weren't destroyed or even scattered as you claim as Raphael only mentions magic and spirit particles and skills are information particles

Since this magical tower is a closed space, it is unlikely that the "soul" would disperse. The room is filled with magical light, and not even the light of the stars enters.

Need I say more? No mention of info particles, the soul/spirit particles weren't even destroyed dispersed fully so the soul is very much intact along with the skills it houses. A skill shouldn't be left after complete destruction, does this point need to be beaten into the supporters or what?

This brings something to light and it's that disintegration, meltslash doesn't actively target information particles. Beelzebuth was only destroyed because Rimuru sacrificed it, Hinata's attack didn't reach into the nucleic heart to destroy it, Rimuru himself exposed the skill to the attack. I think this needs to be looked into. Are there any other feats of these two abilities actually destroying info particels cause this is a massive anti-feat. It's EE properties seem to stop at physical destruction (magic particles) and merely disperse the spiritual aspects leaving info particle that are even smaller than spirit particles unharmed in the process.

• If Raphael is separate from Rimuru and thus an "External Factor", how is it Regeneration and not Resurrection?

Answer: Strictly speaking, no. While it does have some level of independency, it's still simply a part of Rimuru's Soul, but just so far as to reside in it, and be a part of Rimuru's own powers/abilities. The only difference is that Raphael can 'regenerate' itself via VoTW. So it's not an "External Factor" when the power itself still belongs to and is, Rimuru's.

Not only would this be resurrection and not regeneration, you're suddenly contradicting yourself again by saying Raphael is a part of Rimuru's soul, actually resides within it. Got any scans to prove Raphael can regenerate itself via VoTW?

 

[Dog3352]

At this point you are just refusing the evidence, idk how astral can even answer to you anymore.
THE SKILL DOESN'T NEED TO EXIT THE CORE. DISINTEGRATION REACH BOTH PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL ASPETC OF THE TARGET. Also the skill can't get out the core. Also not once was sayd or shown that the skill went out, what you see is just the normal effect of the skill that absorb Hinata attack. The sacrifice is just a word not some special tecnique or something, Raphael just wanted to save rimuru and analize Melt Slash/spiritrons but she knew that absorbing and tanking an attack that erase info would result in belzebub getting erased.

And my points continue, Melt Slash, in addition to being canceled by the sacrifice (said by Rimuru/Raphael himself), was at the same time consumed by beelzebuth, therefore, it doesn't make any sense to say that the attack destroyed the activation of the skill and specifically hit the skill in the core (nothing indicates/evidences/declares/shows this), and the LN itself never points out that Melt Slash destroyed the beelzebuth activation, the skill itself in the core, or something like that, but only that Rimuru sacrificed her to cancel the attack, Hinata did not destroy the skill that was in the core, Rimuru himself sacrificed/destroyed his existing skill in the core to cancel the attack (as is clearly stated).

And this:

And I looked at the context, and Ciel doesn't say that it's impossible for the user itself of the skill to remove it, but rather that it's impossible for someone else to remove/steal it.