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No, spirits are born the same time as their concepts.
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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 5
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I fail to see how that has any relevance in regards to being a type 2 or 3 concept, since the difference in types is less about the actual embodiments (Great Spirits), but rather how the concept interacts with its own instances, e.g. would eradicating all fire in the multiverse aside from the the Great Spirit of Fire itself cause it and the concept of Fire to disappear? If yes, it's type 3, if no it's type 2. At least that's how I understood it.Celestial Pegasus said:
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So what proof is there that's it type 2 then?
Great spirits birth causes their respective concepts to exist, great spirit of time is born, time now exists, that's all we know, so what proves type 2?
The default assumption for concept manipulation is type 3, you will have to provide evidence to the contrary.
Great spirits birth causes their respective concepts to exist, great spirit of time is born, time now exists, that's all we know, so what proves type 2?
The default assumption for concept manipulation is type 3, you will have to provide evidence to the contrary.
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That's exactly why I asked for the chapter number where the Spirit that destroys everything is mentioned. And while we are at it, might as well check the one where Rimuru ate an angel.
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From chapter 62:
"A spirit is… "In nothingness power finds its fill. That is a holy spirit. The great holy spirit is the source of power. Among these, light and darkness, the two great spirits. Who came to exist at the same moment as the world. But, the world was without form, a ephemeral existence. Light and shadow, darkness and the light. Two existences that shall never interweave. One day, the great spirit time was born. The child of light and darkness. And thus the world began to move. The moving world spun, without purpose, around itself. Inside the flowing currents of life and death, Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, and Sky―these five great spirits were born. And since then, these were the great eight spirits. Until the light consumes the world, erasing darkness. Until a new spirit is born, erasing all. Life and death, heralding the coming end of the world."
That's all there is, nothing important is mentioned when rimuru ate an angel.
Already have a blog going over this stuff like this.
"A spirit is… "In nothingness power finds its fill. That is a holy spirit. The great holy spirit is the source of power. Among these, light and darkness, the two great spirits. Who came to exist at the same moment as the world. But, the world was without form, a ephemeral existence. Light and shadow, darkness and the light. Two existences that shall never interweave. One day, the great spirit time was born. The child of light and darkness. And thus the world began to move. The moving world spun, without purpose, around itself. Inside the flowing currents of life and death, Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, and Sky―these five great spirits were born. And since then, these were the great eight spirits. Until the light consumes the world, erasing darkness. Until a new spirit is born, erasing all. Life and death, heralding the coming end of the world."
That's all there is, nothing important is mentioned when rimuru ate an angel.
Already have a blog going over this stuff like this.
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Now, I think about it there is line in Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 that important for the distinction of Type 2 and 3:
At the very least, The great holy spirit is the source of power could a Type 2 concept as it exist independently of all before all some might say it transcend reality. I think the others scale as they are not implied to of lower existence and especially the new spirit spirit who killed everything.
Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 could be a thing.
I honestly don't see these spirits being bounded by what they represent and if I think it required to show that they are bound by their concepts to prove Type 3, objectively speaking.
I guess a CRT could be the best way to finish the topic.
- These concepts shape everything, and changing them would either require the alteration of every object of the concept or, if manipulated directly, change all objects of the concept alongside the concept itself. These concepts, however, exist simultaneously with and are bound by the object of the concept.
- These concepts, however, exist simultaneously with and are bound by the object of the concept. In this way, an abstract Aristotelian Concept can be destroyed by destroying all objects of the concept, restored by re-making an object of a previously existent concept, or changed by changing all objects of the concept across reality.
At the very least, The great holy spirit is the source of power could a Type 2 concept as it exist independently of all before all some might say it transcend reality. I think the others scale as they are not implied to of lower existence and especially the new spirit spirit who killed everything.
Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 could be a thing.
- 2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
I honestly don't see these spirits being bounded by what they represent and if I think it required to show that they are bound by their concepts to prove Type 3, objectively speaking.
I guess a CRT could be the best way to finish the topic.
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It wasn't mentioned that they weren't bounded by said concepts, i am just going with what was said and the default assumption.
Either way if you think it's a big deal go make a crt or ask assalt or kaltias since they are the ones who know about type 2 concept manipulation.
I am sort of fatigued of all these tensei upgrade threads.
Either way if you think it's a big deal go make a crt or ask assalt or kaltias since they are the ones who know about type 2 concept manipulation.
I am sort of fatigued of all these tensei upgrade threads.
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i am just going with what was said and the default assumption > Default assumption is not always accurate, just by reading the definitions and knowing their proposed Concepts feat, they look not said to be bounded and more than likely Type 2. I am being as neutral as possible on this point.
Also, I helped upgrade Wizard 101's Conceptual Manipulation to Type 2 by showing Zenkai they Abstract Entities qualifiees for Type 2 with a similar points. I will take the advice make a CRT or ask assalt or kaltias
I asked Kaltias and made the thread: Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Conceptual Manipulation
Also, I helped upgrade Wizard 101's Conceptual Manipulation to Type 2 by showing Zenkai they Abstract Entities qualifiees for Type 2 with a similar points. I will take the advice make a CRT or ask assalt or kaltias
I asked Kaltias and made the thread: Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Conceptual Manipulation
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I think this other CRT is straightforward: Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Disintegration Revision
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I only brought it up due to the recent big VS thread, I realized how similar the "Storm Titan" (type 2 concept) was to the Great Spirits (type 3 concept). It's strange how such a feat https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2806869 , that's often a one-liner and often not even directly bound to the characters in a battle/getting an upgrade themselves, but rather some "conceptual being who fights against the character in question", can have such decisive influence on the outcome of various VS battles.
Moreover it doesn't really match the description in the Concept Manipulation page. An analogy: Imagine two Gods A and B. While God A can exist regardless of his followers' faith or even existence, God B can't and instead just disappears if he loses all his believers one way or another. Somehow this proves that God A "transcends reality"? No, it doesn't. The only thing he transcends are limitations of himself, not "reality". That's appearently the decisive difference between type 2 and type 3. The current rule seems more like the weaker party of the comparison having more weaknesses (being an unstable existence) rather than the stronger party having more advantages ("transcending reality"). That's not what the description says though.
Unless there is something big that I have been missing this entire time, then one or the other must be modified. Either take back the rule about whether the "feedback" of the concept losing it's own instancances becomes the decisive factor that differentiates types 2 and 3 from each other, or remove the "transcend reality" bit from the type 2 description.
EDIT: Wait, isn't that just type 4? Now it makes even less sense.
Moreover it doesn't really match the description in the Concept Manipulation page. An analogy: Imagine two Gods A and B. While God A can exist regardless of his followers' faith or even existence, God B can't and instead just disappears if he loses all his believers one way or another. Somehow this proves that God A "transcends reality"? No, it doesn't. The only thing he transcends are limitations of himself, not "reality". That's appearently the decisive difference between type 2 and type 3. The current rule seems more like the weaker party of the comparison having more weaknesses (being an unstable existence) rather than the stronger party having more advantages ("transcending reality"). That's not what the description says though.
Unless there is something big that I have been missing this entire time, then one or the other must be modified. Either take back the rule about whether the "feedback" of the concept losing it's own instancances becomes the decisive factor that differentiates types 2 and 3 from each other, or remove the "transcend reality" bit from the type 2 description.
EDIT: Wait, isn't that just type 4? Now it makes even less sense.
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Just a thought, but could it be that the Voice of the World was preventing anyone from obtaining Turn Null? Veldanava was unable to recreate it again and Yuuki couldn't do so either, but Rimuru obtained it almost immdietely after Ciel isolated him from the Voice of the World.
And going along that thought, could the "new antagonist" in the LN turn out to be the Voice of the World? It didn't really get any resolution to itself in the WN after all. IIRC the last time it even got mentioned aside from the Veldanava flashback was in the fight against Draguel when Shion obtained her Ultimate Skill.
And going along that thought, could the "new antagonist" in the LN turn out to be the Voice of the World? It didn't really get any resolution to itself in the WN after all. IIRC the last time it even got mentioned aside from the Veldanava flashback was in the fight against Draguel when Shion obtained her Ultimate Skill.
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Perhaps, it would be a real interesting possibilities in WN, NeoSuperior!
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I'm legit curious as to how the author is gonna change things up. I remember there was a post mentioning something about a "Nuclear Dimension" and Azathoth from the Lovecraft Mythos and would ******* be RAD to see Rimuru claim that kind of power.
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Neat, it looks like LN Shizue have a Tier 6 or country level feat: Defeated a dragon that was ranked as a Calamity Class, which is S-ranked [vol1ch3]. These are LN feats.
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LET ME DREAM DAMMIT!!! Jokes aside, wasn't there a post mentioning something about how the Nihility Energy came from a Nuclear Dimension and someone offhandedly mentioned that Azathoth resides in such a dimension? Can't recall who it was, but it was a few threads ago. Wanna say the 3rd or so. It would definetly be dope as hell and yeah I recall the dragon bit with Shizu.Elizhaa said:
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LET ME DREAM DAMMIT!!! Jokes aside, wasn't there a post mentioning something about how the Nihility Energy came from a Nuclear Dimension and someone offhandedly mentioned that Azathoth resides in such a dimension? Can't recall who it was, but it was a few threads ago. Wanna say the 3rd or so. It would definetly be dope as hell and yeah I recall the dragon bit with Shizu.
I don't think it's necessary for rimuru to become 1-A , myb it's nice an all but why would he become 1-A?
I don't think it's necessary for rimuru to become 1-A , myb it's nice an all but why would he become 1-A?
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The only certainty thing about the future is uncertainty .Elizhaa said:
thus 1-A is nthn , even 0 is possible for someone like rimuru . cthulhu mumbo wumbo is no joke after all .
Ever since there's this thing called [space pirates] , I'd dare to say that at this point even straw hat pirates - one piece might be able to reach high 4-c with ease lol
it'd be like toppa tengen gurren lagann . Deus le volt! fam
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Where is this from?
Also episode 25 was a big disappointment, a lot of the veldora diaries was skipped.
Also episode 25 was a big disappointment, a lot of the veldora diaries was skipped.
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Well rimuru vs hinata round 1 is over, that means the harvest festival is coming.
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I think the anime skipped many stuff for a reason , myb the manga didn't allow the anime to adapt the real veldora slime observstion journal or smthn. but why? hmmnCelestial Pegasus said:
this is really weird , the anime I mean veldora at the very least could've easily explained voice of the world in this ep . but nope , nthn at all Ó░á_Ó░á Im so perplexed .
hopefully they won't screw up again in the next season , at least they should keep the screw up stuff at reasonable level(Ôÿì´╣ÅÔü░)
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Sheska444 said:What the--
Rimuru face kinda reminds me of a certain thing from FMA
Edward face... that's Exactly my face right now pfftt
you crack me up Rimruru! what the Hell lmfaoWhere's that Slime picture from?
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here's the link son tensura chap 55
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I think I found supporting evidence inOpMasada said:
Slime 273:
Although the surrounding is covered with hills, on the other side of it are mountains and deserts.
If you head for the center, then you will be faced with mountains and if you head for the edge then you will find deserts.
And there, each of the rulers should be present. Or rather, because of them and their leaking aura, the terrain transformed into this abnormal environment.
Source: https://www.asianhobbyist.com/slime-273/
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Vol 14 illustration, apparently the white hair girl is velzard, pretty disappointing considering what velgrynd looks like.
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Celestial Pegasus, at least, she is the cute sister.
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Turn out Rimuru was a self-proclaimed Demon Lord duringhis first fight with Hinata
Rimuru's power was also weakened and it was not just his skills being restricted.
Rimuru's power was also weakened and it was not just his skills being restricted.
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