Tarouverse Feats and Respect Thread (The Proper One)

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

There's nothing much to say about this, just back then i made a RT on my blog, but wikia/fandom's newest layout sucks ass, so i move to this forum. Much appreciated if you guys can bear with me.
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Cosmology:

• Part 1
• Part 2
• Part 3

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

COSMOLOGY​

*PART 1:

Mainstream Multiverse

From the beginning of first volume, we have the Trio that summoned from different worlds on original timeline, so we have a basic multiverse right off the bat.

Spoiler: Volume 1, chapter 3

"Oh, everyone were summoned from different worlds. In addition, aside from the original time axis that you originally came from, various aspects like histories, cultures, ecosystems and so on should be different from each other."
"Oh? Is that the so-called Parallel Worlds?"
"It is similar to that. To be exact, its correct name would be Interchange Parallel World Theory... However, if I started to explain it from now, spending one or two days to speak won't be enough, so I would like to ask you to leave it for the next time if we have another chance to talk."

「皆さんはそれぞれ違う世界から召喚されているのデス。元いた時間軸(じく)以外にも歴史や文化、生態系など所々違う箇所(かしよ)があるはずですよ」
「へぇ？　パラレルワールドってやつか？」
「近しいですね。正しくは立体交差並行世界論というものなのですけども………今からコレの説明を始めますと一日二日では説明しきれないので、またの機会ということに」

As in volume 8, it have been stated to be infinite expansion sea of outer worlds.

Spoiler: Volume 8, Prologue chapter

Many communities participated in the alliance established by Canaria. The alliance was firmly united thanks to the power and virtue of Canaria.

If they lost her, the alliance will be forced to disband. She didn't think that she was betrayed by her comrade, whom she worked hard to find amidst the sea of outer worlds which spans to infinity, Lapp couldn't help but to severely condemn her.

その彼女が失われれば、連盟も解体を余儀(よぎ)なくされるだろう。無限に広がる外界の海でようやく見つけた同士の思わぬ裏切りに、ラプ子は声を荒らげずにいられなかった。

When Shiroyasha explained about nature of Gift Games, she have stated that the gods in Little Garden have tested countless worlds and histories.

Spoiler: Volume 9, Teach Me! Shiroyasha-sensei (Part 1) chapter

Q. "Gift Games and Gifts"

Gift Game is games of gods and demons that only those with power beyond common senses aka Gifts can participate. In Little Garden, this is an occupation on the same value as business, a prime example for Little Garden's cultural system --- This is only what is on the surface.

I'm sure that some of you have noticed, but this is simply pure lying. A type of convenient excuse.

Gift Games are trials of battles that gives form to inspections of history and phenomena of outer worlds, furthermore, its original form is proxy war. The history of outer worlds can be changed according to the outcome of these proxy wars.

In the first place, just as what Garol Gandack said in Volume 5, Gifts are powers that manifest in matching with the convergence point of eras aka "Paradigm Shift".

In other words, Gifts are a type of Balance System that the gods bestow for the history of mankind to move into the correct path. The reason why countless heroes, braves and historical prominent figures were summoned to Little Garden, is because the result of being summoned just like that during the retrieval of Gifts. All because leaving the Gifts at their original place would only bring trouble on future eras.

Rare as it may, there are also beings that were summoned from timelines that aren't convergence points. A large portion of them are humanoid, but there are also beings whose shape is completely out of Phylogenetic Tree. According to the records of the Divine Army, they called themselves the Cthulhu Pantheon (Cthulhu Mythos).

By testing countless worlds, histories and the pattern of phylogenetic tree, from the result of those retrievals, Little Garden created for itself its unique cultural system. In short, this is how the Gift Games become an occupation.

Q. 〝ギフトゲームと恩恵(ギフト) 〟

ギフトゲームとは人智を超えた力、即ち恩恵を授かった者たちだけが参加できる神魔の遊戯。箱庭では売買と同価値の興行として扱われており、箱庭の代表的文化体系であるーと、いうのが表向きの話だの。

既に気づいている者もいると思うが、これは真っ赤なウソ。一種の方便だの。

ギフトゲームとは歴史の考察・外界の事象を形骸化して争う試練、及び代理戦争がその原型である。代理戦争の結果次第では外界の歴史が変化することもある。

そもそも恩恵とは五巻でガロロ=ガンダックが語ったように時代の収束点〝歴史の転換期〟に合わせて顕現する力。

つまり恩恵とは、人類史が正しい方向に進むために神々が与えるバランサーシステムなのだ。箱庭に招かれるものに英雄英傑、歴史的な著名人が多いのは、恩恵を回収する際にそのまま召喚されてしまった結果である。恩恵をそのまま放置したら後の時代までややっこしくなるでの。

但し極々稀に、収束点のない時間流から召喚されるものもいる。そういう例外も多くは人型だが、中には系統樹から完全にかけ離れた姿の者もいた。天軍の記録によると、連中はクトゥルー神群などと自称しておったそうな。

そういった様々な世界や歴史、系統樹のパターンを試し、その度に回収した結果、箱庭そのものが文化体系を持つに至った。つまりギフトゲームの興行化に繋がったのだ。

The history of mankind is confirmed to be infinite and will go on and on forever.

Spoiler: Short Story: God King vs War God, chapter 14

On the other side of the Eye of Death, Balor dreamed of a future filled with happiness.

The happiness to live as a human, the desire to live as a human that existed in the endless chain of destiny and the infinite history of mankind — A hot tear dropped from the Eye of Death made him realize that.

Spoiler: Last Embryo Volume 4, epilogue chapter

魔王との全ての戦いには、確かな意味があった。

魔王の前で散った全ての犠牲(ぎせい)には、全て価値があった。

其(そ)れを証明する為には、連綿と続いてきた人類史を道半ばで終わらせるわけには往(い)かないのだ。

All battles against the Demon Kings are meaningful.

All sacrifices that vanish before the Demon Kings are valuable.

All is to prove only one thing, to never and ever let the endlessly spanning history of mankind to break halfway.

From the Dystopia's Short Story - the Crown Stone, using the story of King Arthur. Although it is a fictional story spuns by Poets from Little Garden, however since Little Garden is the world where both facts and fictions can exist, hence the story itself can also become reality of multiverse. Due to its impact, the Legend of King Arthur branches into countless diversities, which spans another countless stories and timelines, each are different narrations on how he got betrayed, albeit have the same ending. Furthermore, the Void Epoch of History (Blank Era of History) from King Arthur's legend is a multi-dimensional entity possesses countless possibilites, which also explain why a story from Little Garden can make it into worlds with countless divergences.

For summary: A universe, a world, or a story can branch into countless of other varieties, and this process can be repeated infinitely.

Spoiler: Short Story: Dystopia chapter - The Crown Stone 7

Spoiler

Arthurian Legend――― A legend told by the Poets on the Little Garden of the gods from the far past, and for some reason, was imprinted on the latter half of the 5th Century of the Britain Island, known as the “Void Epoch of History”.

Its state, which is extremely difficult for the method of mankind and the vision of the gods to observe and being a historical territory where pasts of countless diversities can occur simultaneously, are because Britain Island from the 5th Century to the 6th Century lacked accurate historical documents.

The story of Arthurian Legend was the attempt see whether they can guide humanity to a more proper direction by utilizing the countless diversities existed in the “Void Epoch of History”.

The Unification of the Britain Island, the Knights of Round Table and the war against giants, fiends and cannibals.

The numerous stories and heroic sagas later turned into legends that attracted countless humans.

………Yet, the attempt of [to guide humanity to a more proper direction] the gods wished for, didn’t succeed.

Hence, the Arthurian Legend was endowed with numerous Gifts comparable to miracles from the gods and despite being repeated for untold of times on countless timelines……… There was once never an outcome where the gods succeed what they wished for.

The Arthurian Legend will always be ruined when someone of the Knights of the Round Table who are vassals of the king betrayed him.

Spoiler

The Arthurian Legend generally ends with the betrayal of the knight named Mordred.

That is a rule when narrating the Arthurian Legend in Outer Worlds and a “convergence point of history” as spoken from the observation of the gods.

Although Little Garden – the Third Point Observation Universe is where worlds of countless diversities were observed, only this convergence point refuses the notion of diversity.

Though changing the fluctuation between the beginning and the end is trivial for historical observation, but changing both of the beginning and the end would alter the very entire history itself.

A reform large enough to alter the foundation of history, that is, the replacement of the opinion of a god, is a major reform that would require either the approval of majority of beings dwell on the realm of 2-Digit or an exceptional miracle created by the former God King. Both of them aren’t any easy task.

In any case, even if the Arthurian Legend was able to prove its usefulness, in this state where ruination is inevitable, they can only ignore that conclusion as one of the countless pasts of the “Void Epoch of History”. In a word, the Arthurian Legend is currently drifting between the truth and fiction.

The God King shook his head lightly,

“At least, that is what my source of information told me. All of this was possible because that is a “Void Epoch of History” possesses countless possibilities…… Right, Aira?”

“Usu. Because the Void Epoch observed from Little Garden isn’t a single-dimensional entity, but a multidimensional entity. Going by the existing conclusion, all members of the Round Table ――― No, there are two people as exceptions. But, fundamentally, except King Arthur’s brother-in-law and Sir Dagonet, I heard all of them have a reason to betray King Arthur.”

Moving on to LE vol.6, we have this feat that further proves the infinite quantum of mainstream multiverse. We have confirmed that there are infinite multiverses in Mondaiji verse as Homura explained, however, combining with the story feats above, we can conclude that a multiverse contain infinite number of universes, but with each universe can branch into countless, possibly infinite another versions that differ from the original. All are still insignificant particles to Little Garden, which I will cover in the next part.

Spoiler: Last Embryo volume 6, chapter 4

「勿論(もちろん)だ。全ての織田信長が歴史から消えるというのは、一つの歴史的収束点であるという話で、」

「ああ、そっちはどうでもいい。俺が聞きたいのは〝箱庭に召喚された織田信長が全員別人だった〟の話。それってどれぐらい別人だったんだ？」

釈天はやや驚いた顔をした。そんなことを聞いて何の意味があるのだろうと首を傾(かし)げつつ、焰の言葉に答える。

「どれくらいと言われてもな………別人は別人としか言いようがないぞ。顔も違えば体型も違う、完全な別人だ」

「そうか。それはＤＮＡレベルでも？」

「勿論だ」

釈天が肯定(こうてい)すると、焰は半笑いになってメモを取り始める。

「なるほどなるほど。つまり概念(がいねん)的には〝織田信長〟という名前の別世界人というわけね。箱庭を形成するものが並行世界論ではなく立体交差並行世界論だというのはつまりそういう事か。………うわ、単純計算でもとんでもないな箱庭の世界規模………！」

数式を書きながら顔を引き攣(つ)らせる焰。

最後にアンサーの文字を書き込むと、羊皮紙を持ち上げて読み上げる。

「統括(とうかつ)すると、箱庭の世界から観測する多元宇宙は〝無限に存在する並行世界〟ではなく〝無限に存在する並行世界が基準値の一〟ってことになる。一つの宇宙から大河の様に時間流が枝分かれしてるのではなく、無限に発生し続けてる宇宙が無限に枝分かれし続けてるのを同時に観測できるわけだ。その全てに同時多発的に干渉することが出来るのなら、箱庭の世界から観測する宇宙は粒子(りゆうし)よりも更(さら)に小さなものなのかもしれない。………そりゃ存在確率が低かったりしたら消えちまうわけだよ。どんな強力な神様だって存在確率が割れ過ぎてしまったら粒子一個分、或(ある)いはそれ以下のサイズになっちまうんだからな」

自分の書き記した羊皮紙を手に取りながら焰は苦笑いする。

様々な制約により最強種たちはその力を削(そ)がれている。その全てを解決するための原典候補者なのだろうが───

「ん～………途中まで考察してみたものの、この項目は箱庭世界の前提であって、今の俺たちには余り関係のない話だな」

「そうなのですか？　初めてウサ耳に挟(はさ)むようなお話ばかりで興味深いですけれども」

「だって箱庭という同じ土俵にいる限り同一規模の存在になってる訳だから危険性皆無(かいむ)だし。箱庭という場所には初めからこういう力が備わっていないと、物事が何も始まらないし。此(こ)れは箱庭の世界の前提と最低値を確認(かくにん)するだけの作業だ。次の項目(こうもく)に行こう」

考察半ばで横に追いやる。

確かに、箱庭が敵に回らない限り、箱庭の世界の規模など考察しても無意味な話である。焰は羊皮紙を広げて三人を手招きし、今度は神霊(しんれい)の欄(らん)を叩(たた)いた。

“Certainly. This is about all Oda Nobunaga vanishing from history being a single historical convergence point.”

“Aa, that is not important. What I want to know, is “the Oda Nobunaga summoned to Little Garden are all different beings”. Just how much they are different from another?”

Tokuteru made a slightly surprising face. He tilted his head, wondering what meaning does that have, and then he answered Homura’s question.

“How much, you said......? I can only express them as being literally different people. They are completely different people with different faces and different physiques, totally different people.”

“Is that so? To even DNA level?”

“Correct.”

Homura took his memo and made a faint smile with Tokuteru’s confirmation.

“I see, I see. In short, on conceptual level, they are people from alternate worlds with the name of [Oda Nobunaga]. Is the reason for what forms Little Garden isn’t Parallel World Theory, but the Interchanging Parallel World Theory......? Wow, going by simple calculation, the world scale of Little Garden is incomprehensible......!”

Homura made a stiff face as he wrote the formula.

He lifted and read the parchment the moment he’s done with filling the “ANSWER”.

“In general, the multiverse observed from the World of Little Garden isn’t “infinite parallel worlds”, but “infinite parallel worlds is merely a standard value”. It is not timelines branching from a singular universe similar to a great river, but able to observe simultaneously with infinite universes constantly to appear constantly to branch infinitely. If one can interfere simultaneously and indefinitely on all of them, the universes observed from the World of Little Garden is likely to be much less than even particles...... That is, if the probability of existence is too low, they would disappear. Regardless what sort of powerful Divine Spirit, if their probability of existence was divided too much, they would become the size of, or perhaps smaller than a particle.”

Homura made a bitter smile as he took the parchment he wrote.

The Strongest Species had their power reduced significantly from countless restrictions. The Origin Candidate must have been meant to solve all of them---

“Hmm...... Although you were halfway on this investigation, but as this entry is the premise of the World of Little Garden may, it barely has anything to do with us now, right?”

“Is that so? I was very interesting since all of this was first to come across the Usamimi, though.”

“Since as long as we exist on the same ring that is Little Garden, since we are existence of the same scale, so there is nothing to be worry about. Nothing would begin if the Little Garden didn’t have such power from the start. This much is the least I can confirm with the premise of Little Garden. Then, let’s move to the next entry.”

He left his unfinished investigation to the side.

Truth, as long as Little Garden doesn’t become their enemy, investigating something like the scale of the World of Little Garden is meaningless. Homura opened the parchment and beckoned the other three, pointing on the entry of Divine Spirit this time.

Now that the Mainstream Multiverse is completed, let’s moving on to Little Garden.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

*PART 2:

Little Garden

Disclaimer: "Little Garden" or "The World of Little Garden" has two meanings that can be used interchangeably. Throughout many volumes, the nature and purpose of Little Garden have been explained and revealed to be something bigger than we can even imagined. I will explain carefully one by one.

Little Garden's star-sized area

From volume 1 of Mondaiji, the total surface area of Little Garden have stated to be comparable with a star, which also have Edge of the World. Supporting Little Garden are world axes, one of them pierce through the sky of Little Garden. The sun that orbitted around Little Garden followed Geocentric model and Little Garden.

Spoiler: Volume 1, chapter 2

Spoiler

In the World of Little Garden, the definition of "Country" was commonly referred to "extremely large Communities". Although there existed a clear definite "Edge of the World" inside the World of Little Garden, but it is also said that the surface area of this place can match a star itself. Such rich resource and abundant land like this being so desolate, there is no reason why deployment can't exist. Those have talent gather people to create whole nations, in contrast, those who have no talent have to relocate their living place by moving to the outside of this veiled Metropolis of Little Garden.

Countries of various kinds of races like Dragon, Demon, Eudemon and Star Spirits are also establish large-scale metropolises on the outside of Little Garden. So by cultivating strength of humans who had lost their Gift went to the countries of the outside of Little Garden again, they can return to the City of Little Garden to participate the "Gift Game" once again.

(So by any chance that those who came from the outer worlds were useless... Does that mean that we can't do anything but have to give up on Little Garden to move to the outside!?)

箱庭の世界における〝国〟の定義とは、超巨大(ちようきよだい)コミュニティの俗称(ぞくしよう)である。明確な〝世界の果て〟が存在する箱庭の世界だが、その表面積は恒星(こうせい)に匹敵(ひつてき)するとまで云(い)われている。それだけ膨大(ぼうだい)な資源と豊かな土地が野晒(のざら)しにされていて開拓(かいたく)しない手はない。才ある者は人を集めて国を作り、逆に能ない者は天幕に覆われた箱庭都市から離(はな)れて暮らしを始める者も多い。

龍(りゆう)種、鬼(き)種、幻獣(げんじゆう)、精霊(せいれい)などの国は箱庭外にも大規模の都市を設けている。ギフトを失った人間は箱庭から一歩離れた国で力を付け、再度箱庭で『ギフトゲーム』に参戦するのだ。

（もしも外界から来た人達が使えない人達だったら………僕らも箱庭を捨てて外に移住するしかないのかな）

Spoiler

"It seems the sun revolves around the world, like in the Ptolemaic theory..."

"You realized it? That sun is genuine god-made sun that revolves around Little Garden. They say in the Upper Echelons of Little Garden there is a Game for the command right of the sun."

Spoiler

明確な〝世界の果て〟が存在する箱庭の世界だが、その表面積は恒星(こうせい)に匹敵(ひつてき)するとまで云(い)われている。

Although there existed a clear definite "Edge of the World" inside the World of Little Garden, but it is also said that the surface area of this place can match a star itself.

Spoiler

"So, how is it? This is the Great Waterfall of Tritonis, its width is around 2800m. There probably wasn't a waterfall like this one in Izayoi-san's world, right?"

"--Aah. It's honestly amazing. So it's around two times the width of Niagara. What is it like below this [Edge of the World]? Is it carried by a huge turtle after all?"

According to one of the first theories, the world is not spherical, instead it floats on water, on the back of a huge turtle. Izayoi was probably thinking about that.

Izayoi stuck his head out happily over the cliff expecting to find a huge turtle.

He imagined something like a dark abyss below, but only saw the same sunset sky below the cliff and everywhere else.

"Sadly that is not the case. Supporting this world are pillars known as [World Axes]. Nobody knows exactly how many of them there are, but one of them pierces Little Garden, it's that huge column over there. There is a legend that says the reason behind Little Garden existing in this incomplete form is because somewhere someone pulled one of the [World Axes] out and took it home, but..."

Moving on to volume 2, the Little Garden city refered here also stated to have surface area of a star.

Spoiler: Volume 2, chapter 1

Jin, who wore a loosely fit gown, sighed heavily.

"Although I had predicted this..... You guys really don't know how far it is from here to the Northern district boundary wall, do you?"

"I really don't know, is it really that far?"

Izayoi responded with a surprised expression. Suffering from a serious headache, Jin depressingly covered his face with both hands.

"....You guys really headed out without knowing the circumstances.... Then let me ask everyone first, did you know that Little Garden has the surface area of a star?"

"....? Huh? Star?"

Asuka was so shocked that her tone of voice changed. Even though Kasukabe's expression did not change, she still hurriedly blinked her eyes three times.

Izayoi nodded his head in acknowledgement, he then proceeded to question Jin with wrinkled eyebrows.

"Kuro Usagi mentioned this to me before. However, I also heard that nearly all the land in this world is thrown away as waste. Although the scale of the wastelands varies in size, but besides the Little Garden city, there are still other places right?"

"Indeed there are other cities. But Little Garden would always be the largest city in the world even if you remove some of its cities. Talking about the ratio of the surface area of Little Garden, other cities can't even compare to this place."

"Ratio?"

When Jin explained in such a serious tone, Asuka and the rest felt like they were having that idiotic atmosphere.

Basically, they wouldn't use the peculiar method of using [Planet's surface area ratio] to compare the sizes of cities.

Even though he used [Surface area of a star] to try explain the size, there would still be all sorts of measurements. But if the Little Garden world's surface area is the same as the Sun, it would be 13000 times the size of Earth.

The numbers would be so huge that it would look strange. Izayoi, his heart on alert, enquired with a shocked expression.

"Are you inferring.... [this city occupies about one percent of a star's total surface area], this kind of messy statement?"

"Tha....That is just too exaggerated already, although it is indeed about that ratio, but the numbers are still quite small."

"So...So it's like that, eh? Then, from here to the Northern district boundary wall, how far will it be?"

Asuka urged Jin for the right answer. Jin lifted his head up to think for a while, and eventually he replied,

"Because we are already close to the north, if I had to throw in a number.....I guess it would be about 980000 Kilometers."

"WOW!"

The stars on Little Garden

There are exist inumerable of stars and constellations, they are nothing but more than decorations on the sky of Little Garden itself. Moreover, the stars and constellations in Little Garden here are very unique, they can represent entire Community or even a pantheon of gods.

Spoiler: Volume 1, chapter 8

"Just as it is similar to the Geocentric Model that was applied by the World of Little Garden, all rules/laws are taking this place... the City of Little Garden as the center of their rotation. Since many days ago, our comrades defeated the Community 『Perseus』 and in accordance to their lost, they were exiled by 『Thousand Eyes』.

This is why they have to withdraw from this starry sky."

The trio of Izayoi was completely speechless because of the unimaginable surprise they got.

"——Eh... Won't that mean in your sense that... This constellation is going to be disappeared from this starry sky...?"

In this instant, an unusual brilliant flash of light covered the whole starry sky.

Perseus that was originally on the starry sky——Perseus constellation and meteor shower were together disappeared without having a trace of them left.

Though the three did witness many miracles during these several days, however the scale of the miracle this time is on a different scale.

In contrast to the trio who was speechless, Kuro Usagi immediately proceeds to the next one.

"The meteor shower tonight is also a blessing from 『Salamandra』 to the resurrection of the Community of 『No Name』. Be it to make a wish to a meteor, or simply everyone wanted to enjoy it, in short, let's us all have fun for the whole day, okay?"

Kuro Usagi and the children were having a fun time partying, but Izayoi group has no mood to enjoy this.

"To manipulate even the existence of constellations at your whim... In other word, until the other side of the stars, everything that exists is nothing but for the sake of creating a more lively stage for Little Garden itself?"

"I guess... That's how it is?"

Asuka and You lifted up their head to look at what called as "enormous" power, somewhat in a loss.

Only Izayoi who was watching the meteor shower let out a sign full of complex feelings.

"... Even though I can saw through that Algol is not an Eclipsing Variable Star, I did not even except that this whole starry sky was nothing but was created as an object that was tailored only for Little Garden."

He looked up at the starry sky, gazed at the spot where Perseus constellation emitted its light from before.

——In her lore, the cause why Algol becomes a Demon Star, is because she is a variable star. In reality, she is a pair of binary stars that in mutual eclipse that changed the wavelength of their light. This is the true form of the being who was an eclipsing variable star, also the wicked characteristic of Algol.

It surely that in this Little Garden, there are real existences who can freely toying with the position of the stars and reign everything to the other end of the sky. When Izayoi squinted his eyes to make up for his feeling, a soulful voice visited him.

「箱庭の世界は天動説のように、全(すべ)てのルールが此処(ここ)、箱庭の都市を中心に回っております。先日、同士が倒(たお)した〝ペルセウス〟のコミュニティは、敗北の為(ため)に〝サウザンドアイズ〟を追放されたのです。そして彼らは、あの星々からも旗を降ろすことになりました」

十六夜達三人は驚愕(きようがく)し、完全に絶句した。

「───……なっ……まさか、あの星空から星座を無くすというの………!?」

刹那(せつな)、一際(ひときわ)大きな光が星空を満たした。

そこにあったはずのペルセウス座は、流星群と共に跡形(あとかた)もなく消滅(しようめつ)していたのだ。

ここ数日で様々な奇跡(きせき)を目(ま)の当たりにした彼らだが、今度の奇跡は規模が違(ちが)う。

言葉を失った三人とは裏腹に、黒ウサギは進行を続ける。

「今夜の流星群は〝サウザンドアイズ〟から〝ノーネーム〟への、コミュニティ再出発に対する祝福も兼(か)ねております。星に願いをかけるもよし、皆で観賞するもよし、今日は一杯騒(いつぱいさわ)ぎましょう♪」

嬉々として杯(さかずき)を掲(かか)げる黒ウサギと子供達。だが三人はそれどころではない。

「星座の存在さえ思うがままにするなんて………ではあの星々の彼方(かなた)まで、その全てが、箱庭を盛り上げる為の舞台(ぶたい)装置という事なの？」

「そういうこと………かな？」

その絶大ともいえる力を見上げ、二人は茫然(ぼうぜん)としている。

だが十六夜だけは、流星群を見ながら感慨(かんがい)深くため息を吐いていた。

「………アルゴルの星が食変光星じゃないところまでは分かったんだがな。まさかこの星空の全てが箱庭の為だけに作られているとは思わなかったぜ………」

星空を見上げ、先ほどまでペルセウス座が輝いていた場所を見る。

───アルゴルが悪魔(あくま)の星として伝承されたのは、変光星であるからだ。連なる連星が重なり合い、光の波長を変える星。それが食変光星であり、アルゴルの魔性(ましよう)の正体。

星の位置を自由に遊び、ソラの彼方まで支配するような絶大な何かが、この箱庭にはあるのだ。感動を補充(ほじゆう)するように眼(め)を細めると、元気な声が十六夜を訪ねる。

Spoiler: Short Story - Dystopia chapter 1 - God King, Marches

Spoiler

A shooting star was glittering the moment he looked up on the sky nigh tsky—

The luminosity of the burning meteor was like a beast mustering every ounce of its power to howl.

The God King made a short sigh upon realizing the meaning of this spectacle.

“The Star of Far West…… fell?”

Spoiler

“Hah, isn’t that so obvious like daylight? On this timing, after they destroyed an entire pantheon, why would they even bother to start some peace negotiation? Anyone with a brain can see this is a trap.”

Normally, Bishamonten would have reprimand him for that bad attitude, instead, he was at shock when he heard the God King’s words.

“They destroyed, an entire pantheon……?”

“Indeed. If the result of my observation on the stars were correct, the entire Far West Pantheon, are done for. I’m afraid it is the Celtic Pantheon. Apparently, Great God Dadga-dono has escaped and taken “The Book of Invasions” (Lebor Gabála Érenn) with him to the south…… We can’t protect that place anymore. With this, half of the west is under their control. They won’t propose peace as long as we of the “[Tenbu] isn’t united.”

So basically, we have the Little Garden's landmass that have surface area equivalent with a star and the sky of Little Garden which have various stars and constellations. But now things started to get serious.

The true nature of Little Garden

As stated in Volume 3, Little Garden connected all of outer worlds and all eras.

Spoiler: Volume 3, Epilogue 2

"For Canaria to be actually thrown to wander outside of the world of Little Garden……then…… what other types of misfortune may have befallen upon the rest of my comrades?!"


---That's right. And that was the true reason that tormented Leticia's heart.

For example, Lily’s mother. If her mother was abducted by a Demon King, her whereabouts would’ve become unknown.

If she was also abducted to the outside of Little Garden. I would’ve probably say it is impossible to track where she is anymore.

At worst, she could be found if she was outside of the City of Little Garden. But, she was taken to the outside of Little Garden, a place that connects to all eras and all outer worlds, then------

“Won’t that mean it is more difficult to find a person than a grain of sand from those stars...!!!”

「金糸雀(カナリア)は箱庭の外に追放されていた………しかしならばッ………！　他の同士たちは、一体どうなっているというのだ………!?」


───そう。それこそ、レティシアを苦しめている原因だった。

例えば、リリの母親。彼女の母親も魔王に拉致(らち)されたまま行方が分からなくなっている。

もし彼女も箱庭の外に追放されていたら、とてもではないが救出は不可能だろう。

最悪、箱庭の都市外でもまだあてがあった。しかしあらゆる時代と異世界に通じている、この箱庭の外に飛ばされていたというのなら、それは───

「あの星々から砂粒(すなつぶ)一つを見つけるよりも、更に困難ではないか………!!!」

We have this explanation in Mondaiji volume 6:

• Little Garden is a world where pasts, futures, facts and fictions are mixed with each other, simply as Little Garden exists across all different timelines, or connects to all different timelines with each other. Also, thanks to the overlapping of planes of timelines of every moment, the density of "Little Garden" is ever-increasing.
• The trio of Izayoi, Asuka and Yō although are came from different worlds but they were summoned to on the same timeline. As mentioned in volume 1 they were originally came from one time axis so we can conclude that one timeline is possibly equal to a multiverse. For example, there isn't only an Izayoi but also infinite "Izayoi" and even an infinite number of "Izayoi who is not the Izayoi in Little Garden", a slight difference in every moment and an "if" results the branching of many parallel universes (As for our problem children trio, Izayoi, Asuka and Yō were people who originated from different universes, different possibilities and different eras. Asuka is originated from a post-WWII universe whose history is vastly different from Izayoi's and Yō's universe is a futuristic universe which totally unlike of the previous two. But they are similar to Izayoi in the regard that was said above).
• Using "Perseus" as the example, in the World of Izayoi they are characters of ancient legends and do not exist in reality, however there were people who said that their ancestors and the group of Izayoi likewise, are foreigners being summoned to this Little Garden. This is the proof showing that on the lines of different possibilities, there exists someone called "Perseus". Leticia and her Vampire race who came from the far distant future of humanity can also be used a proof of this.

Spoiler: Volume 6, chapter 7

"No, the one crazy here is you, that is an astronomical figure. So large that the existing 69-digit number won't be enough to show them all. Or, there is actually a ridiculous selection method that chooses the human to summon from Little Garden?"

"That is also, real."

Mandra answers instantly.

That made Izayoi to surprise enough to drop the sculpture he held without realizing.

".........Wait, wait wait. Just hold your horses there. This is too much of an impossibility. My conjecture until now was this Little Garden should have exist from maldistributing on the boundary of possibilities and timelines. If so, that summoning specific individual, isn't that like finding a pebble from the grand ocean of possibilities?"

"Don't ask me about that."

Mandra replies bluntly. Izayoi is starting to become more angry. Since he holds absolute belief for his deduction.

——The trio of Sakamaki Izayoi, Kudou Asuka and Kasukabe Yō, were summoned to on the same timeline from different erars. According to this point, the only possible theory is this space of "Little Garden" is either permanently connected to timelines of outer worlds, or this space itself exists across all timelines.

About summoning points being limited by the intersection of possibilities, is because of the density of an existence like "Little Garden" increases only on the moment where planes of different timelines overlapped.

An only example like that isn't enough to convince Izayoi and can only stop at hypothesis stage. But, with his fighting against those bitter enemies of Demon Kings until now into consideration, he found that hypothesis is far from being consistent.

Like "Perseus", they are characters of fables inside Izayoi's world. Not actual existences.

But, their ancestors were foreigners that were summoned into this Little Garden like Izayoi group. The fact that a figure named "Perseus" exists on the boundary of different possibilities itself is the proof. Moreover, Leticia and her Vampires who came from a future far from mankind, are served the foundation of his argument.

——A world where past ages and future eras, facts and fictions coexisted together.

If he assumes this space of "Little Garden" either exists across all different timelines or connects to all timelines, then all deductions that he made would be reasonable.

(.........However, to summon multiple of specific individuals from infinite possibilities, is such feat really possible?)

Indeed —— The fact "exists across all different timelines", is to being able to summon an infinite number of the person named "Izayoi" and at the same time, being able to to summon "Izayoi who is not the present Izayoi", in other word, being able to summon different people. That Izayoi and himself are different people with completely different hobbies and preferences and also have different turns of life. There might be a chance that Izayoi is a female as well.

The proof for "when two identical characters on the same place simultaneously, one of them will be another character", the legend of "Pied Piper of Hamelin" shows that. They, under one fact and one legend, exist by multiple characters and events, each of those were residents of worlds that encompass different possibilities.

The ocean of possibilities (parallel worlds) far grander than whole universes. Izayoi is completely unable to imagine what kind of method could pick out a single specific individual from inside that grand ocean.

「いやだってお前、それ天文学的な確率だぞ。既存(きぞん)の六九桁(けた)でも示せないぐらいの。それとも箱庭から、召喚(しようかん)する人間を選ぶような馬鹿(ばか)げた選別方法が存在しているのか？」

「それは当然あるだろう」

サラリ、と回答するマンドラ。

十六夜は思わず手に持っていた彫像を落としそうになるほど驚(おどろ)いた。

「………いや、いやいや。ちょっと待て。幾(いく)らなんでもそれはありえねえよ。俺の今までの推測じゃ、この箱庭は可能性の線上・時間流に偏在して存在してるはずだ。なら特定の個人を召喚するってことは、可能性の海から小石を一つ探し出す様な神業(かみわざ)だぞ？」

「そんなことは知らん」

ぶっきらぼうに言い返すマンドラ。十六夜はますます以(もつ)て眉(まゆ)を顰(ひそ)めた。それほど十六夜は、己の推論に絶対的な自信を持っていたからだ。

───逆廻(さかまき)十六夜・久遠飛鳥(くどうあすか)・春日部耀(かすかべよう)の三人は、異なる時代から同一の時間流に召喚されている。ということはこの〝箱庭〟という空間は、外界の時間流に対して恒久(こうきゆう)的に繫(つな)がっている、あるいは時間流に偏在している空間と仮定できる。

可能性の交差点に召喚ポイントが限られるのは、異なった時間流の平面が重なり合った瞬間にのみ、〝箱庭〟という存在の密度が高まるからだ。

この一例だけならまだ確信には至らず仮定止まりだが、今まで戦ってきた魔王や仇敵(きゆうてき)たちのことを思うとそう考えなければ辻褄(つじつま)が合わない。

例えば〝ペルセウス〟。彼らは十六夜の世界だと寓話(ぐうわ)の中の住人だ。実話ではない。

しかし彼らの先祖も十六夜たちと同じくこの箱庭に召喚された異邦人(いほうじん)だという。これは異なる可能性の線上で、〝ペルセウス〟という人物が存在していたという証(あかし)だ。それにレティシアたち吸血鬼(きゆうけつき)が人類よりも未来から来たことも、根拠(こんきよ)の一つに挙げられた。

───時代の前後、事実と虚構(きよこう)が混じり合う世界。

これらは〝箱庭〟という空間が異なる時間流に偏在、あるいは接続する空間だと仮定すれば、全(すべ)ての辻褄があうのだ。

（………でも、無限の可能性から特定の個人を複数人呼び出すなんて、可能なのか？）

そう───時間流に偏在しているということは『十六夜』という人物を無限に召喚することも可能であり、それは同時に、『今の十六夜ではない十六夜』、つまり別人を召喚するということでもある。その十六夜は己とは全く違う趣味嗜好(しゆみしこう)を持ち合わせた別人であり、人生の軌跡(きせき)もまた異なるだろう。もしかしたら女かも知れない。

同一の人物像が同時に存在する場合、一方が異なった別人のものであるという証明は、〝ハーメルンの笛吹(ふえふ)き〟という伝承が提示している。彼らは一つの事実・一つの伝承に複数の人物像と事件性が存在し、それぞれが別の可能性を内包した世界の住人たちだった。

可能性(いせかい)の大海は宇宙よりも遥(はる)かに広大だ。その大海から個人を拾い上げる方法など、十六夜には全くこれっぽっちも想像できなかった。

And once again, in volume 7 confirmed that Little Garden is the world exist across all timelines and all eras. Wether it was fact or fiction, it will always be allowed to exist.

Spoiler: Volume 7, chapter 3

───箱庭の世界は、異なった時間軸(じく)線上に偏在(へんざい)している。

虚構(きよこう)の史実であったとしても、異なった時間流の中では一つの史実として存在し、後の歴史に辻褄(つじつま)が合うなら存在が許される。それが箱庭という場所の実体だ。

—— The World of Little Garden exists across all kinds of different time axes.
Whether it was fiction and facts, they can exist as a fact inside different timelines, moreover, if the fact of the latter is consistent, then it will be allowed to exist. That is the true form of this space of Little Garden itself.

Shiroyasha confirmed the theory of Izayoi (with a slight adjustment) and she explained that Little Garden in fact is a Third Point of View Outer Universe created to guide outer worlds go on the right path.

Spoiler: Volume 10, Teach Me! Shiroyasha-sensei (Part 1) chapter

Q. World of Little Garden

Although now the playground of the gods, that is the God Creation World that was created to make the outer worlds to deploy correctly —— In a word, the Universe of Third Person Observation.

In Vol.6, Izayoi said that "Little Garden exists across and connects to all timelines of outer worlds". This is the assumption he made from the fact that three of problem children were summoned from different timelines.

Sadly, however! This is only half of half-wrong.

Izayoi's steps of reasoning from before is probably as follow.

Assuming the three problem children as three specific historical points of αβγ, to make these specific points to concentrate on a single timeline, there must be another timeline where simultaneous observation on αβγ is possible to exist.

Hence, this problem child defined the World of Little Garden as "Little Garden is an outer universe which exists across and connects to all timelines of outer worlds".

Everything until now is correct, but it is a little insufficient.

In the first place, since the very beginning, gods are hinted to be beings that were created on the faith and history of mankind. Yet, if the gods manipulate the history of humanity from outer universes, then between gods and mankind, which side exists first?

Commonly known as "The chicken first or the egg first? (Bootstrap·Paradox)".

Because if there is someone can who can solve this paradox, that person might be able to uncover the truth of the World of Little Garden... Just maybe, but this has little relationship with the main storyline.

Q. 箱庭の世界

今でこそ神々の遊び場と化しておるが、本来は外界を正しく発展させるために作られた神造世界────即ち第三点観測宇宙である。

六巻で十六夜が「箱庭は外界の時間流に対して偏在して繋がっている」と口にしていたの。これは異なった時間流から問題児三人が召喚された事実を元に推測されたセリフだ。

しかし残念！これだけだと半分正解で半分不正解だ！

逆廻十六夜の考察は恐らく以下の通り。

仮に小僧たち三人を歴史の特異点αβγと定義した場合、この特異点が同一の時間流に集まる為には、αβγを同時に観測可能な別の時間流が存在していなければ成立しない。

故に小僧は箱庭の世界を「箱庭は外界の時間流に偏在して繋がっている外宇宙である」と定義したのだ。

此処までは正しいのだが、実は一つ足りないものがある。

そもそもの始まりとして、神霊は人類の信仰や歴史の上に成り立つ存在を示唆されている。その神霊が外宇宙から人類史を調整しているというのであれば、神と人のどちらが先に生まれたのかという矛盾。

俗に言う"鶏が先か卵が先か"（ブートストラップ・パラドックス）だの。

このパラドックスが解消された先にこそ、箱庭の世界の真実が隠されている……かもしれんが、本編には余り関係なかったの。

Little Garden have a paradox called "Boostrap Paradox", that gods and humanity which side actually came first. Because of that, Little Garden also stated to be the world where Creator (Alpha) and the End (Omega) are one, however volume 11 made it clear that the gods are the real creator of Little Garden.

Spoiler: Volume 11, chapter 1

「どうもこうもねえよ。今日まで色んな魔王やら神様やらと会ってきたが、コイツが箱庭に帰ってきたことで確信した。この箱庭の世界っていうのはつまり───人類史に対して、時間的な共依存(きよういぞん)をしている世界なんだよ」

「少し違(ちが)うな。正確には、神霊種が人類史と共依存していると言った方が正しいね。まあ箱庭の住人の九割は神霊の恩恵を受けているのだから間違(まちが)いでもないが」

その場に居た全員が顔を合わせて一斉(いつせい)に首を傾(かし)げる。

その中で唯一(ゆいいつ)、女王騎士であるフェイスレスだけが二人の言葉を理解した。

「女王に聞いたことがあります。神霊には慢性(まんせい)的に抱(かか)えるパラドックスゲーム………所謂(いわゆる)ロジックエラーがあると」

「というと？」

「そもそも、神霊という存在が発生する条件を考えてもみてください。
〝神霊は人類の信仰(かんそく)によって発生する〟
〝人類は神々の恩恵を受けて進化する〟
───では、この両者の起点と終点はどちらにあるのでしょう？」

女王騎士の言葉にサラは表情を固まらせ、七天の二人は何かに気が付いて口に手を当てる。

「起点(アルフア)である造物主と、終点(オメガ)である創造物が同一の世界………それが箱庭の世界やと？」

「そう。箱庭の有史以来、最大の謎(なぞ)と言われているパラドックス。鶏(カミ)が先なのか卵(ヒト)が先か───通称(つうしよう)〝BootstrapParadox(ブートストラツプ・パラドツクス)〟と我々は呼んでいる」

「馬鹿(ばか)な。それについては既(すで)に人界でも結論が出ただろう？　人類の末世と呼ばれる二〇〇〇年代で最も支持を受けたのは、神による世界の創造論だったはずよ」

この結論は時代の力ある宗派の影響(えいきよう)も大きいが、世界(うちゆう)を構築した一次的要因として創造論以外の説明が未(いま)だに立証できないという事実もある。そしてそれは人類史が全(すべ)ての時間を費(つい)やしても到達(とうたつ)できない真実の一つである。

鵬魔王が反論すると、クロアは困ったように肩を竦めた。

「迦陵ちゃん。〝人類の支持を得た〟ことが〝創造論の保証〟になるのなら───それは〝＝世界の法則は人類の主観に左右されて構築される〟、即(すなわ)ち人間原理こそが宇宙観の真実ということになるだろう？」

「………それは、」

"Nothing. Since I've met all kinds of Demon Kings and Divine Spirits, I believed this guy will return to Little Garden eventually. For the nature of this World of Little Garden --- is time-interdependent world with the history of mankind."

"You are a little wrong. It would be more correct to say both gods and mankind are interdependence with each other. Well, since 90% of Little Garden's inhabitants received their Gifts from Divine Spirits so you aren't completely wrong either."

Everyone in this place suddenly faced each other and tilted their head.

Among them, only Faceless, the Queen's Knight understood their conversation.

"I heard this from the Queen before. The Divine Spirits were subjected to an endless Paradox Game...... they called it "Logic Error"."

"What does it mean?"

"In the first place, please think about the conditions for the existence of a Divine Spirit to occur.

(Divine Spirits are born by the faith of mankind)

(Mankind evolves by accepting the Gifts from the gods)

------Then, which one of them is the start and the end of this circle?"

Upon hearing the Queen's Knight's words, Sala's face became stiff and two of the Seven Sages covered their mouth when they realized something.

"A world where Creator aka the Origin (Alpha) and Creation aka the End (Omega) are one...... the World of Little Garden?"

"Correct. This is the Paradox said to be the greatest mystery since the creation of Little Garden. Is the chicken (God) first or the egg (Human) first? ----- Popularly known as the [Bootstrap Paradox]."

"Impossible. Didn't the Human World already reach to a conclusion for that? Isn't that most supported theory in Year 2000 aka "The Last Age of Mankind", the creationism theory in which God is the creator of the world?"

Although this theory holds enormous influence according on major religions of every era, it is also a fact that expect creationism theory proposed an original cause which created the world (universe), other explanations have yet to be proven. And, it was also one of the truth impossible to reach for even if all mankind's history's time was exhausted.

Hearing Roc Demon King's counter, Croix could only shrug to show his troubled face.

"Karyou-chan. If "obtaining the support of mankind" is the "insurance of creationism theory" ------ that would be equal to "the laws of the world is decided by the whims of mankind's subjective view". Won't that also mean the principle of mankind is the truth of all cosmologies?"

"......That's,"

And here in volume 12, there are countless of multiverses stacked up like particles that exist in Little Garden.

Spoiler: Volume 12, chapter 9

十六夜の飾(かざ)らない物言いに、流石(さすが)の御門釈天も苦笑いを浮(う)かべる。確かに、これはこれで真正面から聞けない質問ではある。彼は多くの神霊(しんれい)の上に立つ神々の王だが、様々な多元宇宙が粒子(りゆうし)の様に積み重なっているこの箱庭ではその限りではない。

Hearing Izayoi’s straightforward question, even Mikado Tokuteru could only laugh bitterly. True, this was not something that could be asked upright. Although he was the King of Gods that stood above countless Divine Beings, that was not the case in this Little Garden that was piled up by countless multiverses like particles.

Re-using this scan from LE 6, we all know that there are at least infinite multiverses, with a singular universe can branch into countless others yada yada, HOWEVER, Homura also said "The infinite branching of multiverses observed from Little Garden are lesser than particles", and "scaling the size of Little Garden is meaningless". So what we can can conlude here? Simple: Little Garden is infinitely larger than all universes and multiverses, regardless of their quantity, be them infinite or not, those universes/multiverses that can diverge infinitely will always smaller than particles, and don't forget that its density is ever-increasing.

Spoiler: Last Embryo volume 6, chapter 4

「勿論(もちろん)だ。全ての織田信長が歴史から消えるというのは、一つの歴史的収束点であるという話で、」

「ああ、そっちはどうでもいい。俺が聞きたいのは〝箱庭に召喚された織田信長が全員別人だった〟の話。それってどれぐらい別人だったんだ？」

釈天はやや驚いた顔をした。そんなことを聞いて何の意味があるのだろうと首を傾(かし)げつつ、焰の言葉に答える。

「どれくらいと言われてもな………別人は別人としか言いようがないぞ。顔も違えば体型も違う、完全な別人だ」

「そうか。それはＤＮＡレベルでも？」

「勿論だ」

釈天が肯定(こうてい)すると、焰は半笑いになってメモを取り始める。

「なるほどなるほど。つまり概念(がいねん)的には〝織田信長〟という名前の別世界人というわけね。箱庭を形成するものが並行世界論ではなく立体交差並行世界論だというのはつまりそういう事か。………うわ、単純計算でもとんでもないな箱庭の世界規模………！」

数式を書きながら顔を引き攣(つ)らせる焰。

最後にアンサーの文字を書き込むと、羊皮紙を持ち上げて読み上げる。

「統括(とうかつ)すると、箱庭の世界から観測する多元宇宙は〝無限に存在する並行世界〟ではなく〝無限に存在する並行世界が基準値の一〟ってことになる。一つの宇宙から大河の様に時間流が枝分かれしてるのではなく、無限に発生し続けてる宇宙が無限に枝分かれし続けてるのを同時に観測できるわけだ。その全てに同時多発的に干渉することが出来るのなら、箱庭の世界から観測する宇宙は粒子(りゆうし)よりも更(さら)に小さなものなのかもしれない。………そりゃ存在確率が低かったりしたら消えちまうわけだよ。どんな強力な神様だって存在確率が割れ過ぎてしまったら粒子一個分、或(ある)いはそれ以下のサイズになっちまうんだからな」

自分の書き記した羊皮紙を手に取りながら焰は苦笑いする。

様々な制約により最強種たちはその力を削(そ)がれている。その全てを解決するための原典候補者なのだろうが───

「ん～………途中まで考察してみたものの、この項目は箱庭世界の前提であって、今の俺たちには余り関係のない話だな」

「そうなのですか？　初めてウサ耳に挟(はさ)むようなお話ばかりで興味深いですけれども」

「だって箱庭という同じ土俵にいる限り同一規模の存在になってる訳だから危険性皆無(かいむ)だし。箱庭という場所には初めからこういう力が備わっていないと、物事が何も始まらないし。此(こ)れは箱庭の世界の前提と最低値を確認(かくにん)するだけの作業だ。次の項目(こうもく)に行こう」

考察半ばで横に追いやる。

確かに、箱庭が敵に回らない限り、箱庭の世界の規模など考察しても無意味な話である。焰は羊皮紙を広げて三人を手招きし、今度は神霊(しんれい)の欄(らん)を叩(たた)いた。

“Certainly. This is about all Oda Nobunaga vanishing from history being a single historical convergence point.”

“Aa, that is not important. What I want to know, is “the Oda Nobunaga summoned to Little Garden are all different beings”. Just how much they are different from another?”

Tokuteru made a slightly surprising face. He tilted his head, wondering what meaning does that have, and then he answered Homura’s question.

“How much, you said......? I can only express them as being literally different people. They are completely different people with different faces and different physiques, totally different people.”

“Is that so? To even DNA level?”

“Correct.”

Homura took his memo and made a faint smile with Tokuteru’s confirmation.

“I see, I see. In short, on conceptual level, they are people from alternate worlds with the name of [Oda Nobunaga]. Is the reason for what forms Little Garden isn’t Parallel World Theory, but the Interchanging Parallel World Theory......? Wow, going by simple calculation, the world scale of Little Garden is incomprehensible......!”

Homura made a stiff face as he wrote the formula.

He lifted and read the parchment the moment he’s done with filling the “ANSWER”.

“In general, the multiverse observed from the World of Little Garden isn’t “infinite parallel worlds”, but “infinite parallel worlds is merely a standard value”. It is not timelines branching from a singular universe similar to a great river, but able to observe simultaneously with infinite universes constantly to appear constantly to branch infinitely. If one can interfere simultaneously and indefinitely on all of them, the universes observed from the World of Little Garden is likely to be much less than even particles...... That is, if the probability of existence is too low, they would disappear. Regardless what sort of powerful Divine Spirit, if their probability of existence was divided too much, they would become the size of, or perhaps smaller than a particle.”

Homura made a bitter smile as he took the parchment he wrote.

The Strongest Species had their power reduced significantly from countless restrictions. The Origin Candidate must have been meant to solve all of them---

“Hmm...... Although you were halfway on this investigation, but as this entry is the premise of the World of Little Garden may, it barely has anything to do with us now, right?”

“Is that so? I was very interesting since all of this was first to come across the Usamimi, though.”

“Since as long as we exist on the same ring that is Little Garden, since we are existence of the same scale, so there is nothing to be worry about. Nothing would begin if the Little Garden didn’t have such power from the start. This much is the least I can confirm with the premise of Little Garden. Then, let’s move to the next entry.”

He left his unfinished investigation to the side.

Truth, as long as Little Garden doesn’t become their enemy, investigating something like the scale of the World of Little Garden is meaningless. Homura opened the parchment and beckoned the other three, pointing on the entry of Divine Spirit this time.

Based on these, what do we have about Little Garden from here?

• "City" of Little Garden: A landmass which have surface area rivaled a star.
• Outer universe of Third Person View: The Little Garden is more than just nexus of all reality, it also defines past, present and future, with all history are originated from it, and countless, to infinite multiverses pilling within Little Garden like small particles (combining with the feats from Mainstream Multiverse). Meaning, the sheer size of Little Garden alone can dwarf the infinite-quantum multiversal hierarchy.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

*Part 3:

Otherworldly Cosmologies

His Highness explained about Another Cosmology - the worlds (universes) that made up pantheons of gods, for example: Norse’s Asgard, Zoroastrianism’s Duality, and Buddhims’s Three Thousand Great Thousand Worlds.

Spoiler: Volume 8, interlude chapter

""Another Cosmology" is the secret of pantheons. Or should I say that these worlds - universes themselves built the pantheons. The Norse pantheon's Asgard, the Buddhism's Three Thousand Worlds, and the Zoroastrianism's dualism of good and evil, they are no exception. To us, the "Ouroboros" "Another Cosmology" is also our final trump card."

「〝疑似創星図〟は神群の秘奥。あるいは神群を構築する世界(うちゆう)そのものといってもいい。北欧(ほくおう)神群のアースガルド然(しか)り、仏門の三千世界然り、〝拝火教〟の善悪二元論然り。俺たち〝ウロボロス〟の〝疑似創星図〟もまた最後の切り札だからな」

Gods in Little Garden exist in higher worlds than lower layers of Little Garden. Because their true form is too powerful that can cause disaster with their mere presence, the gods have to use Gate of Heaven (Touriten) to convert Astral Body and Material Body so that they can freely manifest in lower world.

Spoiler: Volume 10, Interlude 1

Touriten —— The gate which connects the Empyrean World (Heaven) and the Present World (Earth), made for the purpose of allowing the Divine Alliance Community - [Divine Army] to dispatch to subjugate the demon kings.

If the powerful Divine Spirits of the 3-Digit were descend to the lower world with their original form, their presence alone would be disaster that shakes Heaven and Earth.

The Gate of Heaven aka Touriten was made to reduce that effect.

Touriten, which allows the mutual reversal of Stellar Body (Astral) and Physical Body (Material), can manifest Divine Spirits and Star Spirits in the form that is most fitting to the environment.

忉利天───魔王(まおう)の討伐(とうばつ)を旨(むね)とする神群連合コミュニティ〝天軍〟を出撃(しゆつげき)させる為(ため)に用意された現世と天界を繫(つな)ぐ門。

三桁に座す強力な神霊(しんれい)たちが本来の姿のまま下界に顕現(けんげん)すれば、その存在だけで天地を揺るがす災害となりかねない。

その余波を軽減させるために造られたのが天門・忉利天である。

星辰体(アストラル)と物質体(マテリアル)を相互(そうご)可逆させるこの忉利天は、環境(かんきよう)に合わせた最善の姿で神霊や星霊(せいれい)を顕現させることが出来る。

Another example is Indra observing the stars from Heaven of Trayastrimsa (According to Buddism lore, it is of the 33 Heavens of Buddhist Cosmology. The second highest plane of existence of the Desire Realm. However do note that it is simply a reference, NOT exactly using original mythos in this work).

Spoiler: Short Story - Dystopia chapter 1 - God King, Marches

The God King who was observing the stars from the Sudarśana Castle on the Trayastrimsa Heaven closed his eyes and waited.

Before long, he heard the sound of footsteps on the corridor bridge to where he was observing the stars.

And on the 7th Offstage Corner, Tarou-sensei uploaded character's explanation about various stuffs regarding about Mondaiji verse, the Offstage Questionnaire Corner series. In the 7th Offstage, Almathea and Shiroyasha have explained further about Another Cosmology like this.

Spoiler: Seventh Offstage Survey (Tarou's Twitter 14/8/2018)

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Alma: “[Natural-born Divine Spirit]…… Lifeforms that are the mutual observers with mankind and possessing alternate cosmologies.
The gods possess alternate cosmologies from mankind’s – [Another Cosmology].
The worlds they dwell on are all exist outside the universe.
In human term, you can call those as Outer Universes.”

Shiro: “Since those are completely incomprehensible dimensions where a slight mistake in the density of time would lead to incomprehensible Laws of Physic, Proper Times and Laws of Celestial Bodies. You can also define Little Garden as another Outer Universe. And just to be sure, [Natural-born Divine Spirit] doesn’t mean pure-blooded Divine Spirit, if anyone is confused.”

This is where things get interesting. Shiroyasha stated that Little Garden can be defined as another Outer Universe, which is the same as the nature of the reals of Gods - Another Cosmologies/alternate cosmologies. In short, not only the cosmologies of gods at least shared the same nature as Little Garden's cosmology, but since they are all exist on the higher world, hence their Another Cosmologies should be able to dwarf the Little Garden and the multiversal hierarchy. (Note: Since there are countless gods in Little Garden, we can assume that there should be countless of pantheons, meaning, Another Cosmologies)

Let’s not forget that, volume 7, narrator explained that in the beginning of all creation, various elements that made up the world, which formed oldest cosmologies as the smallest units included Heaven and Earth, Day and Night, Duality (Good and Evil), Yin and Yang, Creation/Begin (Alpha) and Destruction/End (Omega),… In other words, they are what the gods set up for the entire Tarouverse's cosmology. Or, should I say, how the cosmologies of gods also have elements of transdualism.

Spoiler: Volume 7, Epilogue chapter

Spoiler

In the dawn of Little Garden ─── After only a short time after Heaven and Earth created on the world, together with countless gods and buddhas conquered the world, were countless entities (pus) oppose the order they created that scattered and fell.
All elements of the world from Creation (Alpha) to Destruction (Omega), Heaven and Earth, Day and Night, Good and Evil, Prosperity and Decline were filtered inside that crucible and became the first disaster.

───This world exists with disasters.
───The Three Thousand Worlds exists with curses.

You are the incarnation of Fugutaiten that was wished to be evil itself.
The being that uses a grander Hell to devour all kinds of ugliness that infest the entire Human World, is the tyrant that crushes a hundred countries and a thousand heroes.

箱庭の黎明期(れいめいき)───世界に天と地が出来て間もない頃(ころ)。多くの神仏が世界を席巻(せつけん)するとともに、彼らの造り出す秩序(ちつじよ)とは相反する様々な膿(うみ)が零(こぼ)れ落ちた。
天と地、昼と夜、善と悪、興隆(こうりゆう)と衰亡(すいぼう)、創造(アルフア)から破滅(オメガ)までのあらゆる世界の要素が坩堝(るつぼ)の中で濾過(ろか)され、最初の災(わざわ)いとなった。


───この世に災い在れ。
───三千世界に呪(のろ)い在れ。


汝(なんじ)、悪であれかしと願われた不俱戴天(ふぐたいてん)の化身(けしん)。
人界に蔓延(はびこ)るありとあらゆる醜悪(しゆうあく)をより大きな地獄を以(もつ)て吞(の)み込むそれは、百の国と千の英傑(えいけつ)を打ち砕く暴君である。
地上で感じる覇気の主(あるじ)も相応の大志を胸に宿して戦いに身を投じているのだろう。ならばこの暴君の前に姿を現す運命にある。

Spoiler

それは世界の実像がまだ不明確だった頃。天と地が分かれ、陰(いん)と陽が生まれ、善と悪が制定され、彼らはこの世に零れ落ちた最小単位で形成される最古の宇宙観(コスモロジー)

When the true form of the world was still indistinguishable. When Heaven and Earth were separated, Yin and Yang were born, Good and Evil were created, they spilled and fell into this world as the smallest units that forms the Oldest Cosmologies.

Conclusion:

In addition from Little Garden which have countless of multiverses stacked up like particles, there also exist higher dimensions/worlds which are the altenate cosmologies - realms for the gods resided, which even predated creation, destruction, alpha, omega, life and death, yin and yang,… It could be said that they are the highest planes of existence of Mondaiji verse.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Done for now.

 

[Everything12]

So done as in people can comment now, or done posting for the moment but will add more later?

 

[RitsuØ1]

Not sure. I will try to transfer this into a blog later when I have time.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

So done as in people can comment now, or done posting for the moment but will add more later?

The later. Will post Terminology and Scaling stuffs.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

So done as in people can comment now, or done posting for the moment but will add more later?

Can you give your thoughts on this and which bare minimum tier you can think of currently in this
Thread 'Tarouverse Official CRT Discussion Thread' https://vsbattles.com/threads/tarouverse-official-crt-discussion-thread.142320/

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Bump

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

After a few considerations, i decided to re-use 2 of my own blogs:
Terminology: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna/Terminologies_of_Tarouverse
Scaling stuffs: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna/Tarouverse's_power_scaling_and_justifications

For the cosmology, it will be the three posts i made here.

Yeah, i'm done. Do what you guys want with my respect thread. I want to focus on Demonbane from now on. Anyone wants to revive the franchise then call the staffs to check what i wrote.
Peace.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

After a few considerations, i decided to re-use 2 of my own blogs:
Terminology: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna/Terminologies_of_Tarouverse
Scaling stuffs: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna/Tarouverse's_power_scaling_and_justifications

For the cosmology, it will be the three posts i made here.

Yeah, i'm done. Do what you guys want with my respect thread. I want to focus on Demonbane from now on. Anyone wants to revive the franchise then call the staffs to check what i wrote.
Peace.

Thanks for your help on the cosmology

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Conclusion:

Gap highernya to infinitesimal

A is infinite quantity & quality, B is accommodated which is also infinite in size, for B the A is only a grain of sand

The sand grain gap with infinite size is considered infinitesimal (assuming from the journey to the west thread), and it is accepted by wiki vs battle

(that's cosmology journey to the west)

It's like this

1 multiverse = 5D, the reason is because every universe there is infinite branching which every branch is infinite. Plus there are infinite timelines & possibilities.

Then there are the countless multiverses that are "stacked up" where "stacked up" is considered like a particle

Which means there are countless 5D universes, or it could be called a 5D multiverse for all of the outer worlds.

Then LG considers all outer worlds that are infinite in quantity & quality to be just like particles, which means LG at least 6D (highest L1C) or 7D at best (lowest 1C).

Then there are the outer universes which are the locations of myth cosmology (Asgardian, Olympus, etc), law & reality outer universes are far superior to Little Garden, but there is no context for how outer universes view Little Garden, from a perspective.

So that the outer universes are also at least 7D (1C), more precisely 7D multiverse (probably higher)

Then Alpha Universe which is the origin of everything including outer universes, Alpha Universe is also not mentioned how, only 1 White Sun is mentioned in Alpha Universe which contains all the stars that exist now both in outer worlds, outer universes & Little Garden, at best Alpha Universe get 8D universe (1C)

and that is mondaiji's cosmology```

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Just so y’all know. Divine spirits from like the 3rd Digit onwards have an extra dimensionality over some point in that scale as they transcend the space-time before they pass through astral gates and descend to the lower domains.

Spoiler: 3 digits and astral gates

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Touriten —— The gate which connects the Empyrean World (Heaven) and the Present World (Earth), made for the purpose of allowing the Divine Alliance Community - [Divine Army] to dispatch to subjugate the demon kings.

If the powerful Divine Spirits of the 3-Digit were descend to the lower world with their original form, their presence alone would be disaster that shakes Heaven and Earth.

The Gate of Heaven aka Touriten was made to reduce that effect.

Touriten, which allows the mutual reversal of Stellar Body (Astral) and Physical Body (Material), can manifest Divine Spirits and Star Spirits in the form that is most fitting to the environment.

As one of the Three Strongest Species, [natural-born Divine Spirits] are naturally conceptual beings outside the influence of the material world. They are beings who were summoned from beyond the world by using deification of histories or personification of phenomena.

Spoiler one coupled with this one kinda furthers the nature of the higher worlds with unrecognizable laws of physics and whatnot.

So it will be like 3digit+1d, 2digit+1d, 1digit+1d.
The starting point is whoever high you can get the initial cosmology to.

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa @Everything12 @Sir_Ovens @Qawsedf234 @KingPin0422 @ByAsura @Ultima_Reality @Pain_to12 @Abstractions

Would any of you be willing to help out here please?

 

[Everything12]

COSMOLOGY​

*PART 1:

Mainstream Multiverse



Now that the Mainstream Multiverse is completed, let’s moving on to Little Garden.

Yeah, this seems clear cut. Infinite multiverse that branches out infinitely. 2-A, but not Tier 1. Infinite × infinite like this doesn't get that.

*PART 2:

Little Garden



Based on these, what do we have about Little Garden from here?

• "City" of Little Garden: A landmass which have surface area rivaled a star.
• Outer universe of Third Person View: The Little Garden is more than just nexus of all reality, it also defines past, present and future, with all history are originated from it, and countless, to infinite multiverses pilling within Little Garden like small particles (combining with the feats from Mainstream Multiverse). Meaning, the sheer size of Little Garden alone can dwarf the infinite-quantum multiversal hierarchy.

This part is less clear cut. I believe that stacking of multiverses is more a metaphor for Little Gardens purpose of an outside perceptive watching over and guiding all the multiverses instead of durability or the like.

Plus from the perspective of something that is observing all of a infinite x infinite number of universes simultaneously, to find a certain universe from among the collective it would be like looking over an endless beach and trying to pick out a single grain of sand among innumerable other identical grains of sand.

That is why the scale of Little Garden is incomprehensible and meaningless to investigate. Because its nature is to exists outside, interacts with, and guides an incomprehensibly massive number of alternate possibilities, but not because of it's size... which is still pretty large, but not Tier 1.

*Part 3:

Otherworldly Cosmologies



Conclusion:

In addition from Little Garden which have countless of multiverses stacked up like particles, there also exist higher dimensions/worlds which are the altenate cosmologies - realms for the gods resided, which even predated creation, destruction, alpha, omega, life and death, yin and yang,… It could be said that they are the highest planes of existence of Mondaiji verse.

This isn't enough for Tier 1 either. Higher planes aren't given a explanation for qualitative superiority over the multiverses.

So currently very high into 2-A, give me a second to properly read through the blogs and write another post. Don't want to make this post too messy to read.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[Everything12]

After looking through all the blogs, I don't think their is any statements of qualitative superiority here. Their's superiority but no clear cut qualitative superiority.

Though I might be missing some statement nestled in the walls of text, or that the context when put together is enough for Tier 1, it is a sunday. But as of now, my opinion is that this is all very very high into 2-A.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I’m with everything, just showing superiority over a infinite universes without qualitative or ontological superiority is still tier 2.
Read some of the scans but nothing says ontological difference but if I am also missing something please point it out.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Though I might be missing some statement nestled in the walls of text, or that the context when put together is enough for Tier 1, it is a sunday. But as of now, my opinion is that this is all very very high into 2-A.

There is no way it is just 2a.

1 multiverse is 5D because of uncountable infinite number of 4D constructs (history/era, possibilities, universes, timeline which constantly diverses infinitely

These multiverses being viewed as particles (+ stacked up) would mean a qualitative superiority. This is because what this essentially means is that they are triviliazing something infinite into a finite thing such as a particle. To do this you would need to be beyond infinitely superior to a multiverse. Hence granting 6D


Etc....

 

[Everything12]

There is no way it is just 2a.

1 multiverse is 5D because of uncountable infinite number of 4D constructs (history/era, possibilities, universes, timeline which constantly diverses infinitely

Not 5D, just really high 2-A.

These multiverses being viewed as particles (+ stacked up) would mean a qualitative superiority. This is because what this essentially means is that they are triviliazing something infinite into a finite thing such as a particle. To do this you would need to be beyond infinitely superior to a multiverse. Hence granting 6D

The particles refers to the fact that if you were to overseas the whole infinite universes that branch infinitely all at once from a outside perceptive, like Little Gardn. Their would be so many universes that they would look like particles and indistinguishable from each other. This is an explanation on how large the infinite universe that branches infinitely are and how far Little Garden's reach is to observe and guide them all. Impressive, but jot Tier 1.

The stacking is also not qualitative superiority but an mention of what I said above, a reference to Littel Garden's observation and guiding of a ridiculously large infinite multiverse branching infinitely.

Whioe these feats sound impressive and a qualitative superiority in a vacuum, by looking at the context of what is being said and the facts surrounding this information you can decipher that it isn't so clear cut and are describing something else entirely.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

The particles refers to the fact that if you were to overseas the whole infinite universes that branch infinitely all at once from a outside perceptive, like Little Gardn. Their would be so many universes that they would look like particles and indistinguishable from each other. This is an explanation on how large the infinite universe that branches infinitely are and how far Little Garden's reach is to observe and guide them all. Impressive, but jot Tier 1.

The stacking is also not qualitative superiority but an mention of what I said above, a reference to Littel Garden's observation and guiding of a ridiculously large infinite multiverse branching infinitely.

To their view infinite branching of multiverses are nothing but smaller than particles

Spoiler: LE volume6

「統括すると、箱庭の世界から観測する多元宇宙は〝無限に存在する並行世界〟ではなく〝無限に存在する並行世界が基準値の一〟ってことになる。一つの宇宙から大河の様に時間流が枝分かれしてるのではなく、無限に発生し続けてる宇宙が無限に枝分かれし続けてるのを同時に観測できるわけだ。その全てに同時多発的に干渉することが出来るのなら、箱庭の世界から観測する宇宙は粒子よりも更に小さなものなのかもしれない。………そりゃ存在確率が低かったりしたら消えちまうわけだよ。どんな強力な神様だって存在確率が割れ過ぎてしまったら粒子一個分、或はそれ以下のサイズになっちまうんだからな」

自分の書き記した羊皮紙を手に取りながら焰は苦笑いする。

様々な制約により最強種たちはその力を削がれている。その全てを解決するための原典候補者なのだろうが───

“In general, the multiverse observed from the World of Little Garden isn’t “infinite parallel worlds”, but “infinite parallel worlds is merely a standard value”. It is not timelines branching from a singular universe similar to a great river, but able to observe simultaneously with infinite universes constantly to appear constantly to branch infinitely. If one can interfere simultaneously and indefinitely on all of them, the universes observed from the World of Little Garden is likely to be much less than even particles...... That is, if the probability of existence is too low, they would disappear. Regardless what sort of powerful Divine Spirit, if their probability of existence was divided too much, they would become the size of, or perhaps smaller than a particle.”

Homura made a bitter smile as he took the parchment he wrote.

The Strongest Species had their power reduced significantly from countless restrictions. The Origin Candidate must have been meant to solve all of them---

From the perspective of 3-Digit Gods, infinite branches of infinite universes/multiverses are nothing but smaller than particles, not a single universe is beyond the reach of 3-Digit gods. As i have proved above, this is when they can only desmontrate 50% of their power in Little Garden

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Homura also said "The infinite branching of multiverses observed from Little Garden are lesser than particles", and "scaling the size of Little Garden is meaningless". So what we can can conlude here? Simple: Little Garden is infinitely larger than all universes and multiverses, regardless of their quantity, be them infinite or not, those universes/multiverses that can diverge infinitely will always smaller than particles, and don't forget that its density is ever-increasing.

 

[Everything12]

I've read the quotes you have already posted, that is what I used to form my evaluation. You don't have to repeat them again, that doesn’t change my opinion. This is not a case of qualitative superiority, but them remarking on that scale of the infinitely branching infinite multiverse and Little Garden's range of influence.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

As I have stated, this quote us not talking about qualitative superiority but the range of their influence and the scale of an infinite multiverse that branches infinitely.


But it does not breach into Low 1-C.

Since Mondaiji’s multiverse is an infinite set of infinite multiverse structures that diverge into infinity and all
According to what ultima said that if a multiverse structure(2A) is there and is another multiverse structure bigger than that with infinite timelines and still growing it should be considered as 6D

 

[Everything12]

Since Mondaiji’s multiverse is an infinite set of infinite multiverse structures that diverge into infinity and all
According to what ultima said that if a multiverse structure(2A) is there and is another multiverse structure bigger than that with infinite timelines and still growing it should be considered as 6D

Nope, that's a wrong interpretation of what they said. An infinite multiverse that branches infinitely is still just 2-A. Maou Gakuin has far different context than an infinitely branching infinite multiverse.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

This is not a case of qualitative superiority, but them remarking on that scale of the infinitely branching infinite multiverse and Little Garden's range of influence.

But Based on the feats of 3-Digit, we can summary like this,

50% 3-Digit > Infinitely above the multiversal hierarchy. Should be even higher when fully 100% unrestricted

2-Digit > Simply outmatched the power of 3-Digit

1-Digit > On top of everything else including 3-Digit and 2-Digit

It's because 3digits what made it possible to make the verse to exist in the first place. The enter little garden is also their creation
They are beings who created entire verse and adjusted all creation, from Yin and Yang, Heaven and Earth, Duality of Good and Evil to Creation (Alpha) and Destruction (Omega).

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Also because the Arthurian Legend (5D) is partaken as fiction in little garden

 

[Godsatoshi23]

But Based on the feats of 3-Digit, we can summary like this,

50% 3-Digit > Infinitely above the multiversal hierarchy. Should be even higher when fully 100% unrestricted

2-Digit > Simply outmatched the power of 3-Digit

1-Digit > On top of everything else including 3-Digit and 2-Digit

It's because 3digits what made it possible to make the verse to exist in the first place. The enter little garden is also their creation
They are beings who created entire verse and adjusted all creation, from Yin and Yang, Heaven and Earth, Duality of Good and Evil to Creation (Alpha) and Destruction (Omega).

Just in case if you don't the difference between digits and tier 1 justfication.

the 2-Digit beings are Primordial Brahman. So, what is the meaning of Brahman and why it's heavilly related with the power of 3-Digit?

Brahman, or the Universal Truth - Ultimate Reality, is a concept originally from Hinduism about the state where you can transcend all things in existence. However, since Tarou-sensei doesn't explain what that is in Mondaiji and LE but refered that term occasionally, we will used feats for justification instead. Which mean, of course, we are NOT using original concept from Hinduism, but only what they have desmontrated in the fiction.

Here is what are the Brahman, or should i say the 3-Digit gods capable of:

- They are beings who created entire verse and adjusted all creation, from Yin and Yang, Heaven and Earth, Duality of Good and Evil to Creation (Alpha) and Destruction (Omega).

- They exists on higher dimensions which are the Another Cosmologies and above Little Garden's infinite multiversal structure, while Little Garden is the world where the Beginning (Alpha) and the End (Omega) are just one.

- Descending with their true forms would cause disasters to lower worlds, hence they have to use their own avatars in order to interact, however even one mortal universe can only endure 3 avatars of 3-Digit gods at best.

- From the perspective of 3-Digit Gods, infinite branches of infinite universes/multiverses are nothing but smaller than particles, not a single universe is beyond the reach of 3-Digit gods. As i have proved above, this is when they can only desmontrate 50% of their power in Little Garden.

Combining the huge cosmology along with the feats, we can safely concluded that Brahman have transcended all things in existence, not excluding every universes, dimensions or the Duality itself. Judging from this fact they can get a solid Tier 1, same thing applied to the 2-Digit and 1-Digit as well.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Just wanna say, i've completely resigned from the revision of Mondaiji/Tarouverse. Because i want to shift my focus to Demonbane Mythos's RT on Spacebattles, not to mention dozens of translation projects that i helmed regarding Demonbane, Dra+KoI or Fortissimo. It's very stressful for me to handle both Mondaiji and Demonbane at the same time, so now i will only do what i considered the most important for me. Do whatever you guys want with my posts or my blog, though remember to credit my name, that's all i need.

Good luck to those who working on the revision of this franchise. Peace.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Call Ultima. If they said it Qualifies then their input is needed.

Since Mondaiji’s multiverse is an infinite set of infinite multiverse structures that diverge into infinity and all
According to what ultima said that if a multiverse structure(2A) is there and is another multiverse structure bigger than that with infinite timelines and still growing it should be considered as 6D

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not 5D, just really high 2-A.

I am pretty sure stacking up 2A doesn't scale you anything above 2A. or I misread the Explanation page .

 

[PhantomØ4]

Weird that Maou Gakuin structure qualified over viewing an infinite set as small but Mondaiji with an infinite set made up of the standard value of 1 being infinity + the story acknowledging the scale is incomprehensible compared to an infinite set isn’t qualifying. I keep asking about Maou Gakuin and that is the response I get though maybe there is some special keyword they had.

There’s also a detail about higher existences being beyond the material world; something that is used to refer to outer worlds and traditional shenanigans (note that it does not refer to simply lacking a true form as that is acknowledged to be a Star Spirit trait) but that’s another topic.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Weird that Maou Gakuin structure qualified over viewing an infinite set as small but Mondaiji with an infinite set made up of the standard value of 1 being infinity + the story acknowledging the scale is incomprehensible compared to an infinite set isn’t qualifying. I keep asking about Maou Gakuin and that is the response I get though maybe there is some special keyword they had.

Ultima is more Knowledgeable on tier 1 Everything did say he is not comfortable in tier 1 and denied it for Maou Gakuin in the beginning after Ultima explained his reasoning everything come to realise why it Qualifies. He may not understand how Little Garden works so you should contact Ultima. He can explain better.

 

[Everything12]

Also because the Arthurian Legend (5D) is partaken as fiction in little garden

It's not percieved as fiction in a qualitative difference sense but as in it's a thing that didn't exist outside of the story's told about it.

Here is what are the Brahman, or should i say the 3-Digit gods capable of:

- They are beings who created entire verse and adjusted all creation, from Yin and Yang, Heaven and Earth, Duality of Good and Evil to Creation (Alpha) and Destruction (Omega).

- They exists on higher dimensions which are the Another Cosmologies and above Little Garden's infinite multiversal structure, while Little Garden is the world where the Beginning (Alpha) and the End (Omega) are just one.

- Descending with their true forms would cause disasters to lower worlds, hence they have to use their own avatars in order to interact, however even one mortal universe can only endure 3 avatars of 3-Digit gods at best.

None of this is a qualitative difference.

- From the perspective of 3-Digit Gods, infinite branches of infinite universes/multiverses are nothing but smaller than particles, not a single universe is beyond the reach of 3-Digit gods. As i have proved above, this is when they can only desmontrate 50% of their power in Little Garden.

Already covered this above.

Weird that Maou Gakuin structure qualified over viewing an infinite set as small but Mondaiji with an infinite set made up of the standard value of 1 being infinity + the story acknowledging the scale is incomprehensible compared to an infinite set isn’t qualifying. I keep asking about Maou Gakuin and that is the response I get though maybe there is some special keyword they had.

Because of the Cosmology structure of the Silver Sea, basically.

There’s also a detail about higher existences being beyond the material world; something that is used to refer to outer worlds and traditional shenanigans (note that it does not refer to simply lacking a true form as that is acknowledged to be a Star Spirit trait) but that’s another topic.

Also not a qualitative difference unless it is described a certain way.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Because of the Cosmology structure of the Silver Sea, basically.

That doesn’t help much when I ask MG supporters about it and they just tell me that the multiverse was small compared to the other structure so. Eldem did make sense to me tho so we will probably wait.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

This part is less clear cut. I believe that stacking of multiverses is more a metaphor for Little Gardens purpose of an outside perceptive watching over and guiding all the multiverses instead of durability or the like.

Plus from the perspective of something that is observing all of a infinite x infinite number of universes simultaneously, to find a certain universe from among the collective it would be like looking over an endless beach and trying to pick out a single grain of sand among innumerable other identical grains of sand.

That is why the scale of Little Garden is incomprehensible and meaningless to investigate. Because its nature is to exists outside, interacts with, and guides an incomprehensibly massive number of alternate possibilities, but not because of it's size... which is still pretty large, but not Tier 1.

Idk sounds like a false dichotomy. It can be interpreted as that but that doesn't really make sense. We already know that not even a single universe is outside the intervention of the gods. Therefore for them, trying to pick 'a single grain sand' from an endless beach would be easy for them. They also exist across all of the multiverses simultaneously (by making their probability of existence to 100% in each universe), making it even easier for them to distinguish these grain of sands. Thus, I say that analogy isn't applicable here. The description of the multiverse stacking up as particles is there to show a type of superiority they have over the infinite multivers

Because of the Cosmology structure of the Silver Sea, basically..

Ultmia said, Low 1-C sounds fine, if all of the qualifying factors are met, which they seem to in this case. As said before, there is no such thing being larger than a 2-A structure while still remaining 2-A yourself (Unless the verse establishes that this is possible somehow), so Chronos perceiving infinite timelines as so tiny she cannot perceive them fits that bill.

If Ultima said that, I see no reason why this shouldn't be accepted. They legit compare an infinite^3 (higher) contruct to a particle which is smaller and finite in size.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks a lot for helping out, Everything12 and Pain_to12. I think that you seem to make sense here.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I think, there are some new arguments, so I will take a look at them later

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.