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Super Sonic Rebuff

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Alright I wanna try to conclude this here I go

Inconsistency in Super Sonic ——————————————-

Super Sonic's power is about as consistent as his voice actor it continuously changes,mainly 5-A to 2-C a massive jump in power which presents a problem.Well the simple answer to the Sonic inconsistency is that it simply varies and to state in his profile that he has varying keys,as I'm sure the writers weren't considering powerscaling to such a degree.Another teir 4 key should be added but we will get to that next.

4-A Sonic Verse

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4-A Sonic should be added for the reason that Metal Sonic would scale to the Final argh Blaster which destroyed a cluster of Stars.Metal Sonic has been cited numerous times to be the most powerful creation Eggman ever built placing him above the Final Egg Blaster for obvious reasons

-"undoubtedly Dr. Eggman's deadliest creation"

-"Metal Sonic is able to go toe-to-toe with his template in both battle and other fields, making him one of Dr. Eggman's most powerful and skilled creations. "

Now you must be thinking "WTF" Metal Sonic isn't stronger than the Time Eater,Egg Salamander or Egg Wizard,which you're right but they weren't built by just Eggman

-Time Eater: "Initially an alien creature with dominion over time and space, the Time Eater was discovered by Dr. Eggman who used it in an attempt to conquer the world by erasing his past failures at the hands of Sonic the Hedgehog with the help of Classic Eggman."

-Egg Wizard: "It is a giant wizard-theme mech that was used by Dr. Eggman and Dr. Eggman Nega to harness the Power of the Stars with the Jeweled Scepter. However, it was destroyed by Super Sonic and Burning Blaze."

So by all means the Time Eater is an Alien creature not built by Eggman and the Egg Wizard was made by Eggman and Eggman Nega along with the Egg Salamander.The quote that Metal Sonic is "only Eggman's" most powerful machine absolutely checks out placing him above The Final Egg Blaster making him 4-A

Scaling and Dealing with Inconsistencies

———————————————————— This is tedious but it will help us get the most accurate Sonic profile.Trust me this is not for some petty reason to upgrade Sonic but to get a more accurate profile.Here are some examples:

Base Sonic:Varies from High 6-A to 4-A(4-A for defeating and matching Metal Sonic)

Super Sonic:Varies from 5-A to 4-A (4-A for being far superior than in base and for damaging and fighting Metal Overlord)to Low 2-C to 2-C at peak

Metal Sonic:Varies from High 6-B to High 6-A to at least High 6-A to At least 5-A to 4-A(4-A superior in power to the Final argh Blaster

Tails,Knuckles,Shadow and all characters comparable to Base Sonic should have a 4-A and High 6-A key stating it varies,this can be discussed further in another thread if desired.Omega has also been stated to be Eggman's most powerful machine built next to Metal Sonic.

Oof..that was long
 
Metal Sonic is not stronger than Final Egg Blaster, and he lacks any sort of feats remotely close to it even when amplified by Chaos Emeralds. Considering even 5-A base Sonic is controversial, 4-A base Sonic is just really pushing it. Also, Metal Sonic was created well before FEB. Which FEB was stated to be the most powerful and dangerous invention he ever created thus dethroning Metal Sonic.
 
It's not pushing when it would obviously scale being controversial shouldn't cancel anything out or factor any form of upgrade as that would take into account people's feelings over actual feats

Metal Sonic is literally stated to be Eggman's strongest creation so it's stronger than the Final Egg Blaster
 
Varying power is only for Chaos Emeralds.

While Sonic increases power over time, it's not that absurd.
 
I'm referring to power of each character that would scale to battling against Metal Sonic not the Chaos Emeralds.

Varying power applies to each performance of power Sonic has shown and since 4-A wouldn't really be an outleir due to different keys of power
 
Again that's why I'm refering to creating and solving the inconsistencies in power through out the Sonic characters by giving different keys of power for each showing of power.

This happens with a lot of characters in this site so it's not some new format I'm presenting
 
Base Sonic regularly struggles against Tier 6 threats and is considered incapable of fighting Tier 5 foes without playing the role of a bee stinging an elephant in the eye; so 4-A base Sonic is out of the question.

And Chaos Emeralds are very random and greatly fluctuate in power.
 
This honestly seems like a more reasonable interpretation than Metal Sonic literally being able to destroy whole solar systems:

Maverick Zero X said:
That's going a little too far. Metal Sonic being referred to as Eggman's "greatest " creation could simply refer to the fact that it is his most effective robot, being built to counter the every ability of his primary nemesis (Sonic).
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That's why I said varying keys of power is necessary

DDM please read through the entire thing as I provided reasonings as to why it's completely plausible
 
The real cal howard said:
What gives a variable instead of a set tier again? I forgot.
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Thoughts into power, power enriched by the heart, blah blah insert example here, yadda yadda yadda.

In all seriousness, the series has consistently brought up that the power of the Emeralds all depends on the user and the situation at hand. Such as Sonic's best feat of fighting Solaris coming after he was resurrected by everybody's hopes/love + a kiss or whatever, yet him being > Perfect Dark Gaia yet not stomping it, or him needing assistamce from Blaze for the Egg Salamander (or whatever it was).

Basically, it's (I believe) purposefully inconsistent. Mav or Shadow could probably give better examples since I'm just going off the top of my head.
 
Oblivion's right,a series as inconsistent as Sonic deserves a varying keys of power as to why 4-A base Sonic is completely plausible as they're different showings of power in keys.

Also just because something is controversial it shouldn't be restricted from being acted on as that's a terrible reason to prevent some form of change
 
99% of Marvel/DC characters are inconsistent. It doesn't mean they have Variable tiers.

Regardless, Tier 4 Game Base Sonic really does seem too farfetched for it to be legitimate. Trust me that it'd be awesome to have, but there's just not enough sustenance for it to not be regarded as an outlier regardless of a variable Base Sonic tier.
 
Except it's been discussed multiple times; Metal Sonic is not stronger than Final Egg Blaster; and the opposite is true. Metal Sonic was created before the FEB and Eggman called FEB the strongest invention. Metal Sonic even in his Metal Overlord stage is way weaker than FEB. Even the Eclipse Cannon with 6 Chaos Emeralds couldn't fully destroy the Moon where as FEB destroyed much more than that. I have read the comments and we can't simply force an upgrade for Base Sonic based on something that isn't even a feat at all.
 
To be honest, regardless of 4-A, I think Super Sonic's "Varies" bit should come back. It aligns with canon pretty well, and I'm not sure why it was removed to begin with.
 
-Yeah we can cancel our 4-A base but they very well could scale from Metal Overlord

-Where was it stayed the FEB is the strongest invention made by Eggman?

-Chaos Emeralds are extremely inconsistent and that's not a really good counter to use so the Eclipse Cannon should be untouched as Moon Level to Low Multiverse Level doesn't add up in your favor
 
@Cal Followed the Sol Emeralds? The reason the universes started merging in the first place was because of the Emeralds.

@Oblivion Going to agree with Maverick. Base characters being tier 4 just doesn't make any sense.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Except it's been discussed multiple times; Metal Sonic is not stronger than Final Egg Blaster; and the opposite is true. Metal Sonic was created before the FEB and Eggman called FEB the strongest invention. Metal Sonic even in his Metal Overlord stage is way weaker than FEB. Even the Eclipse Cannon with 6 Chaos Emeralds couldn't fully destroy the Moon where as FEB destroyed much more than that. I have read the comments and we can't simply force an upgrade for Base Sonic based on something that isn't even a feat at
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-When has it been discussed?

-When has Eggman called the Final Egg Blaster his strongest invention?

-Chaos Emeralds Cary from Large Planet Level to Low Multiverse Level as to why a varying teir is necessary
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
@Cal Followed the Sol Emeralds? The reason the universes started merging in the first place was because of the Emeralds.

@Oblivion Going to agree with Maverick. Base characters being tier 4 just doesn't make any sense.
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Yeah I moved past 4-A base as I realized how stupid I was for proposing that but still think 4-A Super forms are plausible for scaling to Metal Overlord and Metal Overlord by statements is more powerful than the FEB unless proven other wise
 
5-A is the most consistent showing for all those powered by all 7 Chaos Emeralds. Between Dark Gaia's feat, Perfect Chaos flooding the Earth, statements about Final Hazard and Eclipse Cannon destroying the Earth, Metal Overload being stated to be a planetary threat, Mother Wisp creating planets, and Black Doom planning to destroy the Earth, Tier 5 is the most reasonable low end for Super Forms. 4-A is really just a random weapon that doesn't really scale to anyone. Tier 2 ends just find it irrelevant, but even weakened states of Super Forms don't really have reason to scale from it.

There's also the fact that Super Shadow almost died from a planet level attack at the end of Sonic Adventure 2.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
5-A is the most consistent showing for all those powered by all 7 Chaos Emeralds. Between Dark Gaia's feat, Perfect Chaos flooding the Earth, statements about Final Hazard and Eclipse Cannon destroying the Earth, Metal Overload being stated to be a planetary threat, Mother Wisp creating planets, and Black Doom planning to destroy the Earth, Tier 5 is the most reasonable low end for Super Forms. 4-A is really just a random weapon that doesn't really scale to anyone. Tier 2 ends just find it irrelevant, but even weakened states of Super Forms don't really have reason to scale from it.

There's also the fact that Super Shadow almost died from a planet level attack at the end of Sonic Adventure 2.
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Perfect reasons as to why a varying teir in super forms should occur.You keep ignoring the fact that Metal Sonic/Metal Overlord a far more powerful version of Metal Sonic has been stated to be Eggman's most powerful machine obviously placing him above the Final Egg Blaster this is consistent through scaling to Super forms as only super forms took down Metal Overlord
 
Thx but in reality I wish that were true lol

I realized it was quite absurd and that varying teirs don't negate the fact that it's a massive outleir
 
Maverick brought up a pretty good point but it literally states that Metal Sonic is Eggman's most powerful and deadly creation which would place him above the Final Egg Blaster.I really hope I'm not wasting time and I'm overlooking something massive here
 
ShakeResounding said:
To be honest, regardless of 4-A, I think Super Sonic's "Varies" bit should come back. It aligns with canon pretty well, and I'm not sure why it was removed to begin with.
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But it wasn't removed right?
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
5-A is the most consistent showing for all those powered by all 7 Chaos Emeralds. Between Dark Gaia's feat, Perfect Chaos flooding the Earth, statements about Final Hazard and Eclipse Cannon destroying the Earth, Metal Overload being stated to be a planetary threat, Mother Wisp creating planets, and Black Doom planning to destroy the Earth, Tier 5 is the most reasonable low end for Super Forms. 4-A is really just a random weapon that doesn't really scale to anyone. Tier 2 ends just find it irrelevant, but even weakened states of Super Forms don't really have reason to scale from it.

There's also the fact that Super Shadow almost died from a planet level attack at the end of Sonic Adventure 2.
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Some of those feats aren't necessarily 5-A. Flooding Earth isn't 5-A, I don't believe Metal Overlord or Devil Doom are actually stated to be plotting Earth's destruction (it wouldn't contradict higher showings regardless), and Mother Wisp and the Eclipse Cannon's feats are just 5-B.


Dark Gaia also performed his feat while incredibly weakened.
 
Dark Gaia wasn't weakened that much, and I know flooding the Earth is only High 6-A and that some of those feats are simply 5-B; but 5-A for the low end is actually pretty generous. 4-A is a massive jump on both ends.
 
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