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Not specifically you. Talking about those who keep bringing up the "but he died at the end" argument.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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I think Evil Natural Ocean survived because he was so massive- his 'body' was larger than the serious punch that hit him.
I'm honestly impressed that the serious punch 'killed' him at all because it didn't entirely vaporize every cubic inch of him.
Orochi is an ant in comparison to the spear, pretty much every cubic centimeter of his body was in contact with the spear for an extended period of time and that wasn't enough to kill him
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Random question a bit unrelated but when's the next Versus chapter?
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The event wasn't multiple minutes. It was over quickly and Orochi died.
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Can’t this also just fall under Orochi’s like ridiculous physiology that allowed him to actually stay alive for a small amount of time? Because like a creature can’t live with two sides of its head on different parts of a drill. But Orochi can and this whole feat lasted prolly like 10 seconds in total. So you’d be scaling Orochi surviving for like 5 of those 10 seconds of him barely staying alive due to his high regen.
Doesn’t really sound like sturdy scaling to me imo.
Idk if you’re going to make a CRT about this I don’t think any heroes should scale off of the derived value that Orochi just managed to briefly stay alive for. At best it’s just a statement of how good Orochi can stay alive despite being extremely damaged.
Doesn’t really sound like sturdy scaling to me imo.
Idk if you’re going to make a CRT about this I don’t think any heroes should scale off of the derived value that Orochi just managed to briefly stay alive for. At best it’s just a statement of how good Orochi can stay alive despite being extremely damaged.
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Surviving something via regeneration is normally not gonna be a scaling.
Like if a character survives the explosión of a bomb because of regen,then normally he Will not have scaling of durability for the bomb.
Unless it survives a long time reciving the attack and then after he regenerated,then probable he Will scale.
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The event happening in seconds is highly unlikely and unsupportive. Assuming it took seconds would give it a decent speed of several km a second. Considering news reporters could give entire sentences before it could make any noticeable decent.
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Entire sentences don't take minutes to read out. It happened quickly and Orochi died. It's not a Thor vs Neutron scenario here.
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why was there so much hype regarding orochi in season 1 and 2. He isn't worth the hype.
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Can an ant survive with two pieces of its head on different points of a drill?
No. Then I think the analogy isn’t applicable.
No. Then I think the analogy isn’t applicable.
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Point is the ant didn"t instantly reenact the scene where saitama punched orochi. We are talking about how the body behaved against the strain of the forces involved. Why is surviving still a determining factor again?
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The "ant" AKA Orochi did not stay intact. Not to a meaningful enough point where you can argue that his durability scales in any way to the drill. The very next panel that see Orochi after the impact, he's already being torn to shreds.
And arguably Orochi being harmed by so many characters who are much weaker than Tatsumaki would be counter-evidence to this too.
And arguably Orochi being harmed by so many characters who are much weaker than Tatsumaki would be counter-evidence to this too.
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What you’re trying to compare here is trying to put a needle through a cake vs trying to plunge a knife in a grape.
These two scenarios are non comparable as well.
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By "very next panel", you mean the panel where,
^^^ All of this still happened and what youre saying only occured after already having been drilled into the earth for an unknown distance and duration of time?
Also isn't the word "relatively" mean like, in comparison to something? Am I using the word wrong here? So when I say "relatively intact" its proportion to any state where orochi doesnt look like the end panel or a reneactment of saitama vs orochi. Why is orochi not being intact still an issue after all the above mentioned?
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The concept of instant annhiliation compared to gradual destruction is what I'm getting at. They claim that orochi's durability didn't hold against the forces involved so I wanted to give a good idea by what I proposed happened; insert ant analogy; compared to, ya know, immediately popping like a zit... like what happened when orochi got punched.
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Distance is irrelevant since the ground would provide no bracing for Orochi and the time is still a handful of seconds that obliterated Orochi on a ceullar level since his regen no longer worked.
As Damage and Asura said, there's no upgrade here. Dying to an attack isn't a feat.
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Which doesnt discount the forces involved for the entirety that orochi was exposed to, in the duration his body remained "relatively" intact.
Again with the HE DIED SO ITS INVALID bit am I getting trolled here???
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Entire sentences take more than over 10 seconds and this being done before the drill could make even the slightest movement downward literally suggests that it took more than a few seconds for this to take place.
It’s a baseless assumption to assert that it took mere seconds for it to reach Orochi’s hideout when at least a dozen of seconds passed before the drill could even travel all the way into the ground. The news reports wouldnt even be able to capture this drill traveled if it indeed traveled 75 kilometers in a few seconds. It would have instantly flew downwards.
Logic alone disprove the assertion that Orochi died in a couple of seconds.
Orochi being drilled over 75km, while being obliterated overtime, was infact still alive and capable of giving vocal responses meaning his main body was still intact to a degree. He should be downscaling here. The mere fact that the attack failed to pierce his body and failed to obliterate him on impact is enough for a downscale.
Unless you can provide any form of evidence suggesting Orochi was pierced from the initial impact or that he was instantly ripped apart (despite him traveled over 75km and his body still being in the process of being shredded vs being instantly destroyed from high 7-a energy) then there’s nothing contradicting the scaling.
Tatsumaki drill Orochi alone supports the idea of him surviving the initial impact as not even Tatsumaki believed that attack killed him, who posses the ability to pinpoint enemies, their life force and their well being.
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I forgot to bring this up.
Constantly having large mountain level energy applied to you while traveling over 75km, being unable to regenerate and your body being intact enough to scream in pain should probably say something about his durability.
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The "he died so its invalid" argument is like shooting someone with a tank multiple times, who stays relatively intact but slowly lose limbs or damaged overtime, then finally explodes and dies in the end, to then claim that said someone didn't scale to the tank shots in any way at all- because he died.
Is this seriously the argument of those against?
Is this seriously the argument of those against?
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Just because you don't understand why it's not valid doesn't make useable. You don't scale to feats that kill you.
No, what you are saying is that if a car hits a person and two seconds later they die from the force, they scale to the initial kinetic energy of the hit.
There's no multiple instances of damage here. It's one action that killed Orochi.
People have posted the entire scene before. From impact to death was a short period of time.
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It's more like if a car hits someone and they're relatively fine, but then the car drags the person against multiple walls and thats when the person dies. I think it's fine to scale the person to the initial KE of the car when it hit them.
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You're all mentioning that Orochi was intact for some reason. Aftet the Slam the only instance we see of Orochi is him being grinded down.
There's no indication that he actually remained physically intact after the initial slam.
This is being hit by a car, gibbed and then smeared into the ground and then saying they scale to the car's energy.
There's just no scaling to be had here.
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And the claim would be right. Again ever tried to plunge a knife through a grape. The durability of the grape doesn’t hold against the knife. But it still remains on the tip of the knife.
What happened when Orochi got punched was akin to a needle being plunged through a cake. That’s because it’s an extremely small object impacting with an extremely large object vs now an extremely large object impacting with an extremely small object.
Whatever. If you’re going to make a CRT for this then you do you. I’ll just address the full argument properly there with rebuttals so the topic doesn’t need to continue being debated here.
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Well, Orochi survived is the thing. Since the heart element potentially operates on a cellular level, that's not really surprising though.
What is surprising is that he was still partially intact by the time he hit the resurrection chamber, despite being spun around for what, 12-15 kilometers at a minimum (considering the base was completely buried past the hilt before then), that's a long time. There was plenty of him was still glooping about in the resurrection chamber before God reformed him into Sage.
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This was Tatsumaki's last visually impressive feat, next thing she did was run from Homeless Emperor and get knocked unconscious by pre-vomit Fuhrer- I think it's plausible she was already nerfed considerably by the time she performed the feat- to the point where she would be closer in power to the strongest high dragons than somebody like OG Orochi or Sage Centipede
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He didn't survive anything that's just the remains of his dead body
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Being torn to pieces isn't a durability feat though.
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Just make the CRT so I can disagree with it already 
Because I don’t think we’re going anywhere with the positions arguing here for ad infinitum
Because I don’t think we’re going anywhere with the positions arguing here for ad infinitum
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Yeah, no point in continuing this conversation when this isn't even a CRT.
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Everyone over here talking about scaling for the Orochi feat. Meanwhile I just want to talk scaling for the Rover feat.
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Does anyone scale to Rover in durability? Besides Psykos maybe.
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Bang (without going full power) and Bomb damaged him with a combined attack and Gyoro Gyoro scales above Rover as well
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Psykos thought if Black S and Homeless teamed up they could beat Tats and only considered Rover good enough to be a distraction for Tats.
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Uh isn't orochi also being drilled here? And that its only after an unknown amount of distance and time spent of him being "grinded down" do we see the panels... which happened after the initial impact... which means compared to said panels he should have been less damaged earlier...
Youre talking about this as if the damage is instant and not gradual.
Replace the knife with an industrial drill.
Less not understand and more there being no explanation as to why its valid ._.
Owh oke sorry for the unwarranted posts but I really dont want to waste it lmaoJust make the CRT so I can disagree with it already
Because I don’t think we’re going anywhere with the positions arguing here for ad infinitum
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