STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[TimmyTurnero]

It's not like the 'feat' scales 1:1 with her durability, and Genos and DK didn't pull out anything that damaged her to this level (their combined core beam only slowly cut a trench that was barely visible on most parts of her exterior). Even Bang and Bomb, who are much stronger to the point where the former could obliterate Gums, couldn't wreck her body to anywhere near the extent of the drill initially with a massive combo.

But the feat does scale 1:1 with her. He tanked the initial slam and while being ripped apart towards the end, could endure being drilled for over 80km, that’s 80,000 meters. It should be noted that the drilling process didnt just happen in a few seconds giving that news reporters and cameras could capture it spinning down, meaning he endured this for dozens of minutes if not longer. Anyone who harms her should scale to the attack, that she just basic scaling.

Who says her AP scales to something that ripped her apart?

Who says they shouldn’t scale to something that a much weaker version of her tanked and endured for god knows how long? They should definitely scale.

Although, I would say that AS scales regardless since DK said he could one-shot Garou, and AS was cutting her body up pretty casually.

Agreed.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Now that I think about it, the centipede entire length could travel up that hole, meaning the length of the hole is around the centipede’s size right? If so that could be an upgrade to the rover punch.

 

[ByAsura]

But the feat does scale 1:1 with her. He tanked the initial slam and while being ripped apart towards the end, could endure being drilled for over 80km, that’s 80,000 meters.

Literally nothing suggests they took the initial slam at all, and Orochi has enough vitality to endure pretty much anything even if he doesn't scale to it, like Saitama's punch. The fact that the RKE, which is a fraction of the total KE, obliterated him (doesn't matter if it's over time because it's not cumulatively increasing) does nothing to help your argument.

It should be noted that the drilling process didnt just happen in a few seconds giving that news reporters and cameras could capture it spinning down, meaning he endured this for dozens of minutes if not longer.

This doesn't happen over dozens of minutes, we only see a few panels. Cameras can catch shit that happens over seconds.

Anyone who harms her should scale to the attack, that she just basic scaling.

And I'm saying that's absolute horseshit. Orochi withstood nothing to our knowledge.

Basic scaling is not back scaling character C from character B just because C chipped character A's nail while B decapitated A.

These characters hit faster than lightning, all of their impacts will be present for less than a millisecond.

Which literally changes nothing. Their AP on the profiles would already be accounting for that. We're deriving it from the KE of a calc, not a character. By this logic, we shouldn't divide by time for any calculation.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So, what have I missed with Orochi?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So, what have I missed with Orochi?

Some people want to scale Orochi's durability from Tatsumaki spear penetrating him, as he "initially tanked the thing", some are against it.

 

[Cryo123]

Which literally changes nothing. Their AP on the profiles would already be accounting for that. We're deriving it from the KE of a calc, not a character. By this logic, we shouldn't divide by time for any calculation.

I'm saying that if people fully scale to attacks that only hit them for 1/10000th of a second, why not here? It's really grasping at straws.

 

[ByAsura]

Again, we do this for calculations. As for grasping at straws, let's not pretend that Orichi actually withstood anything.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Some people want to scale Orochi's durability from Tatsumaki spear penetrating him, as he "initially tanked the thing", some are against it.

He was shredded and killed by the spear. That's not tanking at all.

 

[Coomandar]

He was shredded and killed by the spear. That's not tanking at all.

hmmmmmmm
they’re trying to use meruem method, the way he barely survived the bomb and scaled to it.
we have to consider that the drill took more than 1000k to kill him

 

[Coomandar]

im actually neutral about this
but just to remember, if this is accept, Platinum Sperm, Golden Sperm, Darkshine, possibly Bang and Bomb, Sun blade stomic Samurai, sleeping monster Garou, will scale to it.
even PPP did some dmg to that hearth

‍

 

[ByAsura]

Hoestly, this initial slam shit (if it's even accurate to use the total KE to begin with) is splitting hairs. Fact is both the fraction of the RKE and the underground part of the impact could at least harm him, and they're immensely inferior to the initial slam.

Energy is dissipated here, it's not like the drill is getting more and more powerful. Even if it happened over time, the AP of these fractional amounts would be somewhat comparable to his dura per second.

My point is unchanged.

 

[Coomandar]

i will scale to the feat

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Literally nothing suggests they took the initial slam at all, and Orochi has enough vitality to endure pretty much anything even if he doesn't scale to it, like Saitama's punch. The fact that the RKE, which is a fraction of the total KE, obliterated him (doesn't matter if it's over time because it's not cumulatively increasing) does nothing to help your argument.

The fact that it was hit head on and not instantly blow apart not instantly shredded and as I’ve stated many times before, the attack failed to pierce through him despite impacting, destroying several kilometers worth of rock and pushing him several kilometers into the ground.
He scales.
What does Saitama punch have to do with right now? I fail to see the equivalence.
Him being incapable of surving being drilled for an unknown period of time doesn’t discredit his durability, as even a normal drill can break through steel over time. That’s literal the nature of drills.

This doesn't happen over dozens of minutes, we only see a few panels. Cameras can catch shit that happens over seconds.

But the reports could give out entire sentences before the drill had reached any noticeable distance underground, this happening in a matter of seconds would be impossible to track due to the sheer speed of it traveling downwards.
This drill traveled over 75km, possibly more, in an unknown timeframe, happening in seconds would give it speeds around 20km per second, which is far faster than what that camera would be keeping up with.

And I'm saying that's absolute horseshit. Orochi withstood nothing to our knowledge.

Basic scaling is not back scaling character C from character B just because C chipped character A's nail while B decapitated A.

Orochi body was intact after being drilled 70,000m into the Earth, while being busted up and on the verge of death, could endure for that long, and as we know, the drill failed to pierced through him.

Basic scaling means character B (orochi) surviving and enduring X attack (drill) for a long ass time before being destroyed, and was capable of tanking Y (the initial slam) without being pierced through should be even more durable before being hit by a combo attack, a super kick which obliterated an even more durable form, a barrage attack which destroyed it’s bones and can affect it internally and being cut by god knows how many sword slashes at once.
Anyone harming Orochi should upscale the initial slam from the drill.

 

[Qawsedf234]

He scales.

You don't scale to attacks that kill you.

 

[Coomandar]

You don't scale to attacks that kill you.

meruem~~

 

[Qawsedf234]

meruem~~

To my knowledge Meruem wasn't killed by the Rose Bomb, just crippled. Orochi outright died.

So the comparison doesn't work.

 

[Coomandar]

To my knowledge Meruem wasn't killed by the Rose Bomb, just crippled. Orochi outright died.

So the comparison doesn't work.

i mean, the inital impact didnt kill orochi, prob this seems to be a thing maybe

 

[Qawsedf234]

i mean, the inital impact didnt kill orochi

Orochi died after the attack. Meruem didn't. Your own example debunks your point.

I'm with Asura here, there's no scaling to be had. Dying to an attack isn't a valid durability justification.

 

[ByAsura]

Snip

I'll address this buffoonery later.

 

[ReusedOil]

Orochi died after the attack. Meruem didn't. Your own example debunks your point.

I'm with Asura here, there's no scaling to be had. Dying to an attack isn't a valid durability justification.

Imagine drilling an ant using the most powerful drill and for the initial hit the ant stays intact, stays intact throughout its traveltime in the air towards the ground while being drilled though having pieces torn off for the entirety of its remaining lifetime, and is relatively intact after an unknown amont of time being drilled into the earth, only being completely destroyed at the end and dying.

For those moments where it stayed intact and didnt renenact that scene where saitama punched orochi, is the ant dying here really the deciding factor?

Isn't not dying or dying a matter of endurance?

 

[Coomandar]

just imagine how many life forms psykorochi just extinguished with her beam

 

[ReusedOil]

just imagine how many life forms psykorochi just extinguished with her beam

Imagine another boros was supposed to arrive at exactly that time and at that direction with his ship then outa nowhere just has his arc deleted

 

[Coomandar]

Imagine another boros was supposed to arrive at exactly that time and at that direction with his ship then outa nowhere just has his arc deleted

?

 

[Tural2004]

You know, it is kinda funny that with how things are right now this will probably be true in one or two upgrades.

 

[ByAsura]

The fact that it was hit head on and not instantly blow apart not instantly shredded and as I’ve stated many times before, the attack failed to pierce through him despite impacting, destroying several kilometers worth of rock and pushing him several kilometers into the ground.

There was no failure to pierce Orochi. The ****** was scattered on either side of the drill head and ripped across it regardless.

He scales.
What does Saitama punch have to do with right now? I fail to see the equivalence.

When Orochi was one-shot by Saitama, the vast majority of his body was intact. Does this mean he scales to that punch? No. Orochi's endurance doesn't mean shit when his vitality is maxxed out.

Him being incapable of surving being drilled for an unknown period of time doesn’t discredit his durability, as even a normal drill can break through steel over time. That’s literal the nature of drills.

Drills can bust through steel over time, but they need to actually have the speed and energy to damage it in the first place. Take it from someone who has to do a lot of that at work.

Also, if Orochi was absolutely crushed by the drill, would he still scale just because it didn't pierce him?

But the reports could give out entire sentences before the drill had reached any noticeable distance underground, this happening in a matter of seconds would be impossible to track due to the sheer speed of it traveling downwards.

That does not mean it happened in dozens minutes. It was a live broadcast, and people were commenting on the barrier failing as it happened. It could have happened in even under a minute, especially since there's 2 panels.

Plus, how does this even help your argument? By your logic, the drill was only moving at 52 m/s.

This drill traveled over 75km, possibly more, in an unknown timeframe, happening in seconds would give it speeds around 20km per second, which is far faster than what that camera would be keeping up with.

No it wouldn't. Cameras can capture meteors. It's not hard to keep up with a big glowing object at a huge distance.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

You don't scale to attacks that kill you.

You likely weren’t here to witness the total argument but It’s been established many times that Orochi wasn’t immediately killed by the drill.
The initial slam, which created a shockwave that resulted in the destruction of dozens of kilometers worth of solid rock, doesn’t kill Orochi or pierce his body through his body, him being at the epicenter of a massive shockwave should allow him to scale, as his body remained intact.
It was only upon drilling over 80, possibly 1,000 kilometers that Orochi’s body was finally reduced to nothing.
So while the attack indeed destroyed him, the prolonged exposure to the drill should be taken into account and the distance he was drilled too, and the timeframe as well.
Orochi not being obliterated from this 10km drill slamming on top of him is more than enough for a downscale.

I'll address this buffoonery later.

No need to insult the argument, people have opinions with some argeeing with me and some agreeing with you. You should probably seek to understand the reasoning instead of denying it without properly explaining the flaws in my belief. Multiple people finding it reasonable is more than enough to show some validity in the argument.

Imagine drilling an ant using the most powerful drill and for the initial hit the ant stays intact, stays intact throughout its traveltime in the air towards the ground while being drilled though having pieces torn off for the entirety of its remaining lifetime, and is relatively intact after an unknown amont of time being drilled into the earth, only being completely destroyed at the end and dying.

For those moments where it stayed intact and didnt renenact that scene where saitama punched orochi, is the ant dying here really the deciding factor?

Isn't not dying or dying a matter of endurance?

^^^^^^

 

[ByAsura]

No need to insult the argument, people have opinions with some argeeing with me and some agreeing with you. You should probably seek to understand the reasoning instead of denying it without properly explaining the flaws in my belief. Multiple people finding it reasonable is more than enough to show some validity in the argument.

I wasn't trying to insult you or your argument. It was just a joke. Sorry for not making that clear.

In fact, I want your calculation to get accepted because I do think there's a big upgrade to be had for Darkshine (who's not like a 1000 x Genos anyway) and co.

Speaking of which, your calculation hasn't even been accepted yet, so I'm dropping this argument until there's a CRT or something.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

last thing before I go to bed, is Tatsumaki drill hole the same length of the giant centipede? It was capable of holding the entire length of the centipede.
If so, Rover’s durability feat can jump all the way to country level.

 

[ReusedOil]

last thing before I go to bed, is Tatsumaki drill hole the same length of the giant centipede? It was capable of holding the entire length of the centipede.
If so, Rover’s durability feat can jump all the way to country level.

WOAH WOAH WOAH Tatsumaki drill ho- oh okay youre talking about the attack ahem dont mind me

 

[ByAsura]

SC was still inside the hole when he went into orbit and got split in two (hence both halves jutting out of the ground). Unless our boy can fly, I don't think he'd be off the bottom of the chasm.

Maybe it's just SC having much smaller volume than the underground (even the hole's larger in width).

 

[Damage3245]

Orochi died after the attack. Meruem didn't. Your own example debunks your point.

I'm with Asura here, there's no scaling to be had. Dying to an attack isn't a valid durability justification.

Personally I don't think Meruem should scale to the Rose Bomb either; he only received a portion of its energy and he was completely charred and lost all of his limbs. He only survived because of pretty quick medical intervention by Pouf and Youpi.

 

[Recon1511]

You know, it is kinda funny that with how things are right now this will probably be true in one or two upgrades.

Genos already one shots and blitzes lmao

 

[ByAsura]

He made it to almost the center of the Earth.

Not even close.

Given that there's volcanoes in Z-City that go off due to Orochi's antics, I'm fairly sure it's just a magma chamber.

Why wouldn't they just downscale? It's not like their combo multiplied their AP.

First of all, they're not immensely inferior to DS (Bomb even fought a stronger Garou), so they would anyway. It was an example.

Secondly, you're talking about absolutely shredding the **** out of the heart vs making it internally bleed to some extent with a massive combo.

Lastly, it actually kind of does to a vague extent, at least according to Murata anyway. Not to say that it's ridiculously more powerful than them.

 

[ReusedOil]

Imagine drilling an ant using the most powerful drill and for the initial hit the ant stays intact, stays intact throughout its traveltime in the air towards the ground while being drilled though having pieces torn off for the entirety of its remaining lifetime, and is relatively intact after an unknown amont of time being drilled into the earth, only being completely destroyed at the end and dying.

For those moments where it stayed intact and didnt renenact that scene where saitama punched orochi, is the ant dying here really the deciding factor?

Isn't not dying or dying a matter of endurance?

^^^ Here's something to consider for any orochi durability deny-ers still out there

 

[Cryo123]

To my knowledge Meruem wasn't killed by the Rose Bomb, just crippled. Orochi outright died.

So the comparison doesn't work.

But imagine if that bomb kept going off over and over again, that's kind of what happened here.

You know, it is kinda funny that with how things are right now this will probably be true in one or two upgrades.

Perfection.

First of all, they're not immensely inferior to DS (Bomb even fought a stronger Garou), so they would anyway. It was an example.

Secondly, you're talking about absolutely shredding the **** out of the heart vs making it internally bleed to some extent with a massive combo.

Lastly, it actually kind of does to a vague extent, at least according to Murata anyway. Not to say that it's ridiculously more powerful than them.

Understandable, have a great day.

 

[ReusedOil]

But imagine if that bomb kept going off over and over again, that's kind of what happened here.

Exactly

 

[Qawsedf234]

But imagine if that bomb kept going off over and over again, that's kind of what happened here.

But it's not a series of equally spaced explosions, it's a slam that then grinds down. This also, you known, killed Orochi.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Not even close.

Given that there's volcanoes in Z-City that go off due to Orochi's antics, I'm fairly sure it's just a magma chamber.

The hole was deep enough where you couldn’t see Tatsumaki 10 kilometer drill hole, even after being lit up by Orochi’s lava form. The hole is far deeper than 75km

 

[ReusedOil]

But it's not a series of equally spaced explosions, it's a slam that then grinds down. This also, you known, killed Orochi.

._.

Imagine drilling an ant using the most powerful drill and for the initial hit the ant stays intact, stays intact throughout its traveltime in the air towards the ground while being drilled though having pieces torn off for the entirety of its remaining lifetime, and is relatively intact after an unknown amont of time being drilled into the earth, only being completely destroyed at the end and dying.

For those moments where it stayed intact and didnt renenact that scene where saitama punched orochi, is the ant dying here really the deciding factor?

Isn't not dying or dying a matter of endurance?

^^^

 

[Coomandar]

the arguments supporting are more convicent than the arguments that are agaisnt the scaling, honestly.
resisting an attack for 75km until you definetely die, is indeed an endurance feat.
like, if tatsumaki stopped the drill before, orochi would prob survive, this is the point.
he DOWNscales to the feat in some degree, and this is almost a fact