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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Btw, has there been any news on the Ground, FF and PS feat? Both in AP and speed.
As well what's the verdict for the whole black sperm multiplier thing?
As well what's the verdict for the whole black sperm multiplier thing?
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Oh, that's cool. Btw are OVAs accepted as usable in this wiki? If yes, Bang might scale to the meteor. And if the scaling is accepted there might be consistent scaling to 6-C.
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There was a CTR for that - https://vsbattles.com/threads/bang-ap-crt.72159/
I think you can comment on it.
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1. Genos compared Gouketsu to Saitama who destroyed the meteor.
2. In OVA Bang was thinking about what would happen if he used his technique against the meteor which means he might think he has a chance against the meteor. This is just a similar situation to the battle against Elder Centipede where Bang just has a disadvantage because of opponent's size.
3. In the same OVA Bang thought he could neutralize Saitama if he caught him off guard. But even with the usage of techniques, 7-B can't neutralize 6-C being. Not to mention, at the end of OVA Bang was questioning what would happen if they fought for real. The only thing which might contradict these thoughts is Bang saying Saitama is much superior to him but that might only refer to physical strength. Not to mention, it might be just in Bang's opinion Bang<<Saitama>>Meteor. Or it can be argued that he might just be 6-C only with WSRFS. Even in the latest chapters he was continuesly redirected one-shot worthy attacks from Garou
4. Bang effortlessly redirected an attack from mutated Fuhrer Ugly who should be somewhat superior to base FU who defeated weakened Tatsumaki who shouldn't be astronomically weaker than when she performed 6-C feat. Otherwise the current ratings imply she got over 10000 times weaker suddenly. Her weaking from 70 gigatons range to 10-20 Gigatons range makes more sense.
5. Unless he wanted to take S-class with himself to afterlife Melzalgald thought he could survive from Boros' ship's bombardment. He can downscale IMO since he should need somewhat similar durability to ship's AP to not have his orbs destroyed and S-class heroes are more durable. It might be argued that he thought S-class would die so this is inconsistent but don't forget that at that point he only had Iaian as reference to human durability. PPP damaging him is kinda a more complicated case.
6. While there is no direct scaling I am pretty sure Geryuganshoop isn't meant to be several times stronger than most of S-class combined. And if I remember correctly all generals were relative in strength.
7. This would be somewhat consistent with Black Sperm multiplier.
2. In OVA Bang was thinking about what would happen if he used his technique against the meteor which means he might think he has a chance against the meteor. This is just a similar situation to the battle against Elder Centipede where Bang just has a disadvantage because of opponent's size.
3. In the same OVA Bang thought he could neutralize Saitama if he caught him off guard. But even with the usage of techniques, 7-B can't neutralize 6-C being. Not to mention, at the end of OVA Bang was questioning what would happen if they fought for real. The only thing which might contradict these thoughts is Bang saying Saitama is much superior to him but that might only refer to physical strength. Not to mention, it might be just in Bang's opinion Bang<<Saitama>>Meteor. Or it can be argued that he might just be 6-C only with WSRFS. Even in the latest chapters he was continuesly redirected one-shot worthy attacks from Garou
4. Bang effortlessly redirected an attack from mutated Fuhrer Ugly who should be somewhat superior to base FU who defeated weakened Tatsumaki who shouldn't be astronomically weaker than when she performed 6-C feat. Otherwise the current ratings imply she got over 10000 times weaker suddenly. Her weaking from 70 gigatons range to 10-20 Gigatons range makes more sense.
5. Unless he wanted to take S-class with himself to afterlife Melzalgald thought he could survive from Boros' ship's bombardment. He can downscale IMO since he should need somewhat similar durability to ship's AP to not have his orbs destroyed and S-class heroes are more durable. It might be argued that he thought S-class would die so this is inconsistent but don't forget that at that point he only had Iaian as reference to human durability. PPP damaging him is kinda a more complicated case.
6. While there is no direct scaling I am pretty sure Geryuganshoop isn't meant to be several times stronger than most of S-class combined. And if I remember correctly all generals were relative in strength.
7. This would be somewhat consistent with Black Sperm multiplier.
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Lots of holes here.
Firstly, Gouketsu doesn't scale to anyone. Even the Post-Molt EC thing was removed because the actual translation was different.
Secondly, who says that a half dead Tatsumaki would be even slightly comparable? I think it's completely reasonable for her non-physical and disrupted powers to drop down a few thousand fold, especially since Dragon levels can overwhelm her. You could apply this same logic to say that Fuhrer Ugly is Continent level because you don't believe her weakened power is 1/10000th of her full power.
Third, the volley that she stopped was going to kill Bang and Atomic Samurai.
Fourth, Melz is a glass canon regenerator that can be sliced apart by Iaian and PPP. The volley was explicitly going to kill the heroes, which is why Tats even stepped in.
Fifth, no this would not be consistent with the BS multiplier.
Firstly, Gouketsu doesn't scale to anyone. Even the Post-Molt EC thing was removed because the actual translation was different.
Secondly, who says that a half dead Tatsumaki would be even slightly comparable? I think it's completely reasonable for her non-physical and disrupted powers to drop down a few thousand fold, especially since Dragon levels can overwhelm her. You could apply this same logic to say that Fuhrer Ugly is Continent level because you don't believe her weakened power is 1/10000th of her full power.
Third, the volley that she stopped was going to kill Bang and Atomic Samurai.
Fourth, Melz is a glass canon regenerator that can be sliced apart by Iaian and PPP. The volley was explicitly going to kill the heroes, which is why Tats even stepped in.
Fifth, no this would not be consistent with the BS multiplier.
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He doesn't scale but didn't Gouketsu say that there are comparable beings to him in MA? I remember that there was a discussion about it but it was undecided which nonsters are meant to be comparable.
I don't get what you try to say. I am not comparing full power Tatsumaki to weakened Tatsumaki. There was several moments where she took heavy damage. But there wasn't a panel where she got further weakened after performing 6-C feat(MA spear)
Again, there were several moments where she got heavily injured. But there wasn't such a moment after throwing MA base.
Did anyone besides Melzalgald mention this? Because I already adressed this in my comment. Melzalgald had no reference to human durability besides Iaian.
I already said the case of PPP is complicated. The first of all, it took him hunderds if not thousands of punches to reduce Melzalgald to that state. Secondly, Melzalgald is 13 meters tall which means PPP's punches would be more similar to piercing damage in this case. And Iaian only uses piercing damage as well. Or it is just an outlier in this case.
It would be. It would be in a way that there wouldn't be as much as gap which existed previously
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No it didn't. Puri was also able to blow holes in him with each strike.
Also, you saying that it took PPP possibly thousands of strikes to do damage to an unmerged Melz would mean that PPP is far weaker than Iaian, who was able to easily cut Merged Melz with each cut.
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He said there's several people stronger than Bakuzan. It's in an anime guide book that there's said to be comparable monsters.
I know exactly what you're saying, my point was just that you can apply this type of logic to anything. Tats at full power was just an example.
Doesn't really matter, her powers were f**ked and functioning sporadically.
And every single hero that fought and utterly annihilated him, including Metal Bat.
Each of which were still capable of damaging him. If he was durable enough to survive an attack capable of killing all those heroes, it'd have done nothing.
That's just a terrible point. It's like claiming getting hit by a golf ball with a force of 10 joules is the equivalent of getting slashed by a blade with 10 joules behind it.
I get that pressure is a thing, but you're pushing it.
Iaian had trouble cutting through Demon levels.
Or the regenerator can survive these kinds of attacks, which is actually demonstrated in the manga.
Still doesn't prove your point.
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Melz survived here, and was planning on surviving here as well. Not an outlier.
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Also, looking back on this arc, How come Iaian was able to survive the first volley without a single scratch? We know he wasn't inside the HA building, because he says he was in an inn waiting for AS to finish the meeting. So is this just Murata being weird? Or could we possibly find out the amount of the explosion Iaian tanked?
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That's Bakuzan talking, not Gouketsu.There are monsters who are "stronger" than Goketsu, but we don't know which monsters, sadly.
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He was most likely referring to Orochi, because that is the only other time Gouketsu talked about another monster being comparable/stronger than himself.
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I mean, that's clear, but if its an outlier or not is what I'm asking
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We could use this to find out how far away he is from the building, and then compare it to these two panels, and see if he took the explosion head on, or just the shockwave,
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Either way it is stated that there are comparable beings. And IIRC Bakuzan later on said there are stronger monsters than Gouketsu
Ann I am saying why it can't be used to anything since in one case she got further weakened while she didn't in the other.
There is no mention of the latter. And the former is reason why she couldn't finish cadres off instantly. But she could still perform 6-C feat.
When did they say it would kill them? I reread that part and couldn't find anything.
Fair
My point is that it wouldn't kill them. It is just what Melzalgald thought.
My point was that it would make damaging him easier which means he would not be 6-C anyway.
Fair.
No, I meant cutting Melzalgald is an outlier for Iaian.
I know.
In the worst case, I still think Bang should get something like "at most 6-C with WSRSF"
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He said that he doesn't even know what was going on. He was in a building, and under the rubble in the aftermath. He didn't dodge it.
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Depending on where Iaian was, he could've taken a direct hit from a bomb, and each of those are 7-A+.
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In one non-canon source, and Bakuzan is getting all his info from Gouketsu, who merely claimed Orochi was stronger.
Can you repeat that? I can't understand it.
Her powers were disrupted. At one point, she just had a semi-conscious shield that BS planned to pop.
Exactly. She's reduced to an infinitesimal amount of power. If she were at anywhere near the power she used at A-City, would she not simply flatten Gums, someone who struggled to overpower TTM?
According to you, not the manga.
If you're talking about the volley, his plan is to kill the heroes, although I guess Bang could be exempt since he didn't really know his power.
But you misunderstood my point here. I was saying that even Metal Bat can blow him apart.
It's definitely portrayed that way. Tatsumaki has to save them.
My point was that he wouldn't scale that far below 6-C anyway.
It's not, my boi is just a glass cannon. Face obvious facts.
You're not getting that in the best case.
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That was never stated or implied.
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When it was fired against those it was concentrated attack unlike the first time
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