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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Can you really scale dragons off of someone who's whole character is being a giant?
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I am not sure but I think it is entirely reasonable. Also it is kinda weird that Melzalgald is thousands of times weaker than Gyoro Gyoro who is also likely mid dragon
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Why though..?
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Dragon > Demon. Giant or not, shouldn't Snowman's total power support his movement which makes him Class T? And that power should be below Dragon level
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Hm.. I guess.
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Yes?
Also Giant Snowman should not have Class T at all, from what I've been told, you cannot scale LS off your own weight unless you can grapple someone who can lift you or have comparable LS or weight. His LS justification is outdated
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According vsbattles, Lifting Strength measures the amount of mass they can lift, which is determined by the amount of force a character can produce.
Snowman can produce enough force to move himself. So class T can still be justified
But what you said also makes sense to me so I am neutral
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Except that's not the case anymore. You simply cannot scale to your own weight by default
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"Lifting Strength should not be calculated from size. While characters have to lift more bodyweight, lifting strength is the weight they can lift in addition to that. There is no way of telling how much more that is."
Yeah, you are right
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Because the calc for it is wrong, and the new High 7-C calc for it has not been accepted
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I dunno. I just know the calc is apparently wrong.
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About Melzalgard, he should be one of the strongest dragons in terms of AP because:
1- He is implied to have damaged base Bang with only one head.
2- His 5 heads form is stated to be dramatically stronger than before.
3- Awakening Breath Bang is stated to drain the full power of his body, nothing more.
4- Current Base Garou, who was equal to a (possibly nerfed) Base Bomb (who is stated to be equal to his brother), stopped and tanked a charging AB Bang and when he used AB they were still equal, proving AB isn't an absurdly high amp, but more of a small one because they wouldn't automatically stomp their base selves.
Because of these reasons, I believe 5 heads Melzalgard should scale above AB Bang and AB Current Garou.
1- He is implied to have damaged base Bang with only one head.
2- His 5 heads form is stated to be dramatically stronger than before.
3- Awakening Breath Bang is stated to drain the full power of his body, nothing more.
4- Current Base Garou, who was equal to a (possibly nerfed) Base Bomb (who is stated to be equal to his brother), stopped and tanked a charging AB Bang and when he used AB they were still equal, proving AB isn't an absurdly high amp, but more of a small one because they wouldn't automatically stomp their base selves.
Because of these reasons, I believe 5 heads Melzalgard should scale above AB Bang and AB Current Garou.
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We never exactly got to see melzalgald's full power, because he never really lands a hit on anyone. It's kinda of a shame. Melzalgald is a pretty slow dragon in the grand scheme of things.
Eh, I kinda doubt so. Bang seemed perfectly confident he could take on 5 head Melzalgald. Plus the fact AB is used only in a dire situation. I'd probably place 5 head melzalgald unquantifiably above 18 Megatons, or around roughly or almost the level of Rover's AP.
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Melzagard did very, very minimal damage to Bang (at least no exterior injuries are visible). That's even assuming Atomic Samurai's assessment was correct, and didn't mostly refer to the anime visualised on-screen.
Comparatively, Darkshine shattered the ribcage of Garou, who far surpassed the level of durability that he went up against Rover with.
Also, Garou was even stronger when he went up against AB Bang (probably because he'd just mastered AB by looking at Bang), and Bomb went down with two direct hits.
However, I could see Melz's fissions being above pre-molt EC, because he did only kind of hurt Bang and Bomb after they were both exhausted. Melz at least kind of knocked out Bang for a moment.
Comparatively, Darkshine shattered the ribcage of Garou, who far surpassed the level of durability that he went up against Rover with.
Also, Garou was even stronger when he went up against AB Bang (probably because he'd just mastered AB by looking at Bang), and Bomb went down with two direct hits.
However, I could see Melz's fissions being above pre-molt EC, because he did only kind of hurt Bang and Bomb after they were both exhausted. Melz at least kind of knocked out Bang for a moment.
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Him not going into awakened Breath mode is kinda proof in itself. But in the fight, he seemed cakm throughout, where against post molt EC, he goes "We're ******"
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You need to look at the context. They need to save the knocked out heroes and prevent EC from entering the city. He is the only one left to fight whereas in Melzalgard's case he is teaming up with the entire S class. Why exhaust yourself when you can keep it safe?
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Bomb and Bang even said: "We cannot defeat him". And even Gyoro Gyoro saw Bang and Bomb as no match for EC.
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Becuase they were exhausted after doing their combo move.
She said that because of size disadvantages. This is not a valid point tho, because she was referring to pre-molt EC and we already scale Base Bomb and Bang to him, so she was obviously wrong.
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Does Dvsb has an official discord server?
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What's that?
And if you're asking if there's an official VSBW discord, then no, there isn't
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Yeah ,i mean VSB
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Okay, Tungsten is 2.48774194x denser than steel, so you get an EC that weighs 1192431.11 tonnes.
Using your cylinder proposition that'd make EC... 4793929.94 tonnes (making him heavier than the giant Metal Knight robot that Tank Top Master stopped)
Also, looking at the Metal Knight page in Spanish, it seems the translations are more or less correct.
-Metal Knight's robots are made of the same special material as the original Hero HQ.
-No one gets to the scene faster than him!!
Those are the only things I saw worth pointing out in there.
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4,793,929 tonnes? Sounds about right, I figure he would be about as heavy the reconstruction robot given his sheer size and density. Let's put that in a GPE Calc and see what happens. Alternatively we can do KE scaling EC's speed to the speed of death Gatling's gun, or some other reasonable speed.
Yes, we've got plenty Spanish speakers here, myself included. It's wonderful that we've finally got some readily translateable text here. Metal Knight drone durability doesn't scale definitively to anyone, now that casual Orochi doesn't exist and since we can't be sure who damaged the drone before it appeared before Orochi. Did Orochi crush the drone, did EC do that? I wish we had more info to use the durability for scaling.
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EC's Carapace scales above via Metal Knight wanting it to improve his weapon development. It was stated that Metal Knight can harm the HA building with his weapons, so EC scales.
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Hmm. I could get behind that scaling chain. What do the others think?
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I agree with this. We just need to re-calc the HQ's durability since it only took a small fraction of the blast that took out A-City.
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I see. It would directly affect all those that are currently 7-B scaling from EC, whatever the results end up being.
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I agree. Didn't By Asura say the HQ took something like 0.7 Gigatons or I'm just being dumb?
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Would you be willing to make a blog for this? If EC's carapace is really an improvement on the alloys Metal Knight has, that implies that EC could have tanked the bombardment and would affect scaling for all current 7-Bs. If the results really are 7-A+, that would be awfully convenient...
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Yes. The only it wouldn't be calc stacking is if the rush occurred when Gatling fired a bullet.
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Another thing about EC, in his profile it's said that Orochi thought EC was comparable to Gouketsu, but when was this, and why is it on his post-molting key? In all the flashbacks with EC coming from Orochi, it showed him pre-molting, and that makes sense given that Orochi probably wasn't even aware that EC molted, it's never brought up by Phoenix Man who may not even know EC has that ability, and other monsters and MA members don't mention it either.
I find it a bit hard to believe that Gouketsu is above EC as when we first saw him, or that Gouketsu could walk off the Bang/Bomb combo move like EC did.
I find it a bit hard to believe that Gouketsu is above EC as when we first saw him, or that Gouketsu could walk off the Bang/Bomb combo move like EC did.
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It was around 7-A+, yes
I still disagree with this, because whatever speed we try to use, it Will always be an immense lowball of EC's actual speed. And we can't use High Hypseonic as that would be calc stacking
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We agreed that only post molt scales because that's where the statement of EC being equal or superior to Gouketsu comes from, post molt EC was the form of EC Geno's fought.
And scaling to pre molt caused scaling contradictions
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We agreed that only post molt scales because that's where the statement of EC being equal or superior to Gouketsu comes from, post molt EC was the form of EC Geno's fought.
And scaling to pre molt caused scaling contradictions.
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Or multiple sonic booms not sure.
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