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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Maybe the GPE method is better? Because with KE, we likely won't get a satisfactory or accurate speed, and even if we do, it's a very low balled speed of EC's true speed, and if we use his actual speed, the ratings become wildly inflated
 
Is there a way to calculate Orochi's beam speed? I think that could potentially upgrade some as some had to react and defend against Orochi's beams. If they do end up scaling to his beam speed, then it allows Orochi to scale to his attack speed
 
In the calculation that USklaverei did, in the end there was something like this:

1.65670167e-9 seconds, or 2.01c (FTL)
 
EnderLord8 said:
In the calculation that USklaverei did, in the end there was something like this:

1.65670167e-9 seconds, or 2.01c (FTL)
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That is Saitama's speed. Or at least it was Saitama's speed until we downgraded Geryuganshoop over the Murata statement, now it's just a 'possibly'.
 
I don't have a problem with relativistic Geryuganshoop, I see movement lines there and don't see why he couldn't be relativistic or close to it physically.
 
The movements on the scan must have been done before throwing stones towards Saitama. After the stones went flying, he froze (in the context of the timeframe, while the stones flew towards Saitama, he froze, static).

At least there is no evidence that he made these movements while the stones flew 15 meters, and not before.
 
He's talking in that same panel, I don't see where the implication he's static is coming from. We see him in one position, then in the middle of the rubble shower and the rocks fly at Saitama as he says "Die Earthling!" the fact that Murata put the text in the action panel is more conclusive evidence that Geryuganshoop was moving than anything I can see to the contrary here
 
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Ourosboros said:
He's talking in that same panel, I don't see where the implication he's static is coming from. We see him in one position, then in the middle of the rubble toward and the rocks fly at Saitama as he says "Die Earthling!" the fact that Murata put the text in the action panel feels more conclusive evidence that Geryuganshoop was moving than anything I can see to the contrary here
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What? How is the fact that his last body position before the throw was such a proof that Geryuganshoop was moving when the stones were thrown? It may well be a movement before the throw. His phrase could likewise be said before the stones were thrown. As evidence in favor of this - anime. In it, Geryuganshoop said this and only then threw stones towards Saitama.
 
Plus, doesn't that sound like an outlier to you? This would mean that almost all S-class heroes (except Flash, Genos and Tatsumaki) would be static (or very much slowed down) for him.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
What? How is the fact that his last body position before the throw was such a proof that Geryuganshoop was moving when the stones were thrown? It may well be a movement before the throw. His phrase could likewise be said before the stones were thrown. As evidence in favor of this - anime. In it, Geryuganshoop said this and only then threw stones towards Saitama.
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We can't see if he's moving before the panel because he's veiled inside the rubble tornado. If he said the line before the movement started, I don't understand why Murata would put the line in the movement panel.

I know you consider MHS and relativistic OPM calcs to be outlierish, but I see no indication he was static and the line is on the movement panel, it'd be simpler to assume he's saying it as he's throwing the stones.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
Plus, doesn't that sound like an outlier to you? This would mean that almost all S-class heroes (except Flash, Genos and Tatsumaki) would be static (or very much slowed down) for him.
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No, I think the upper end heroes are MHS, MHS+ and sub-rel, plus there's no reason Geryuganshoop can't be faster than most of the s-class- many of the threats Saitama puts down would be serious challenges for the s-class and I think Geryuganshoop is in that category via his TK and speed.
 
Ourosboros said:
We can't see if he's moving before the panel because he's veiled inside the rubble tornado. If he said the line before the movement started, I don't understand why Murata would put the line in the movement panel.

I know you consider MHS and relativistic OPM calcs to be outlierish, but I see no indication he was static and the line is on the movement panel, it'd be simpler to assume he's saying it as he's throwing the stones.
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I quite think that the calculations for MHS and MHS+ are correct, in the next update of the profiles (which will begin after solving the issue with relativistic octopus velocities (His name is difficult for the translator to spell, I will call him octopus)). His combat speed through scaling through characters is MHS+, but the speed of throwing stones is Relativistic+, which is the reason why he should be slowed down for stones. And there is no evidence in favor of the movements at the time of the throw. The conversation took place on the same scan, when he just started throwing stones. That is, he could first say this phrase, and then start throwing stones (Just like in the anime). Such moments with words before action are always found in Marvel comics or DS and other mangas.

Ourosboros said:
No, I think the heroes are MHS, MHS+ and sub-rel, plus there's no reason Geryuganshoop can't be faster than most of the s-class- many of the threats Saitama puts down would be serious challenges for the s-class and I think Geryuganshoop is in that category via his TK and speed.
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Geryuganshoop is not the kind of monster that is positioned as a very fast physical. For him, the death of Gloribas and Melzalgald was already a reason to panic and believe that his enemy would be very dangerous for him. But other S-class heroes fought on equal terms with Melzalgald in speed.

The sub-relativistic speeds for the characters in the OPM have long been downgraded to the MHS. Because Garou's feat was calculated through wank method. This has already been accepted.

He would have no reason to panic about Saitama walking in his direction if he were more than 20 times faster than Melzagand and had much higher destructive power through telekinesis. But he could well have panicked that he might not have time to launch stones at Saitama in time, because he easily killed someone with whom the Octopus was comparable in reaction and combat speed.
 
As many of you know, about 3 weeks ago there was create discussion about downgrade the speed of OPM characters. It was accepted. Now, the updates will come into effect when the speed of Geryuganshoop is discussed. If anyone wants, then please take part in this discussion about the speed of Geryuganshoop.

Sandbox of changed profiles. The profiles of the characters MHS+ Tier have not been made, because they will be ready only if it is decided whether Geryuganshoop's relativistic velocities will be removed or not.
 
Wouldn't Gery need to have comparable reaction time to continuously speed the rocks in a circle like he did and throw them?
 
Yes, his reaction time must be comparable. If Geryuganshoop is both talking and moving in that panel, it would only make sense if he were perceiving at a comparable speed. The only thing that probably wouldn't scale would be travel speed, since we haven't seen how well Geryuganshoop can transverse long distances.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Throwing something doesn't scale to your reaction speed. Neither does yelling while doing so.
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Well if you're a regular sentient, you can't yell faster than you think and not much faster than you perceive. But let me guess, we'll have to list Geryuganshoop's reaction speed as unknown because we don't have any concrete feats in that field
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Is there a way to calculate Orochi's beam speed? I think that could potentially upgrade some as some had to react and defend against Orochi's beams. If they do end up scaling to his beam speed, then it allows Orochi to scale to his attack speed
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Bumping this
 
Ourosboros said:
But let me guess, we'll have to list Geryuganshoop's reaction speed as unknown because we don't have any concrete feats in that field
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We'll list it at MHS+ since that's what scales to.

The rocks are thrown with a superpower that negates friction. He doesn't move with said power or react to a attack with a similar speed, so why should we scale him to the rocks?
 
Why attack speed tho? Why not combat speed? I don't see any indication that it would only be attack speed
 
Qawsedf234 said:
We'll list it at MHS+ since that's what scales to.

The rocks are thrown with a superpower that negates friction. He doesn't move with said power or react to a attack with a similar speed, so why should we scale him to the rocks?
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Ah I get you now. We've just been making the case that Geryuganshoop is not only moving rocks at rel+ speeds, but also that Geryuganshoop is moving his own tentacles and talking within a relativistic timeframe. If you can notably move and talk at relativistic speeds, wouldn't it be more likely that you could perceive at those speeds as opposed to MHS+? I don't see why his reaction time would be magnitudes slower than his attack speed when it is presented in this way and there's nothing narratively suggested he thinks and perceives that much slower than he is acting
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Why attack speed tho? Why not combat speed?
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The Black Sperm fight is the best indication that AS can attack much faster than he can move. In the timespan it takes BS to throw a punch, AS can cut him hundreds if not thousands of times. But is still unable to physically avoid the incoming punch. So AS can swing his sword to a far greater degree than he can move his body.
Ourosboros said:
If you can notably move and talk at relativistic speeds, wouldn't it be more likely that you could perceive at those speeds as opposed to MHS+? I don't see why his reaction time would be magnitudes slower than his attack speed when it is presented in this way and there's nothing narratively suggested he thinks and perceives that much slower than he is acting
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The possibility of him not scaling to his TK speed is why there's no hard confirmation on his speed. I'm not against the rating existing, but making it his base rating is questionable in my view.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The Black Sperm fight is the best indication that AS can attack much faster than he can move. In the timespan it takes BS to throw a punch, AS can cut him hundreds if not thousands of times. But is still unable to physically avoid the incoming punch. So AS can swing his sword to a far greater degree than he can move his body.
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Fair I guess
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Is there a way to calculate Orochi's beam speed? I think that could potentially upgrade some as some had to react and defend against Orochi's beams. If they do end up scaling to his beam speed, then it allows Orochi to scale to his attack speed
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Also any thoughts on this?
 
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