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Alright. This means that the 0.0001 second end works.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Btw I disagree with the shockwaves thing immensely. They must have expanded to that level in the first place during the ping pong, no? Might have missed if they’re supposed to have appeared in previous scenes ig.
I’m fine with using the apparent speed shit for the Io feat in relation to the chunks, but I disagree immensely with the calculation used by Nik Helton for the speed of the chunks. I think people will know what I mean when they look at the calc, I brought it up in DMs anyway.
Really you can just use v=s/t, the escape velocity of Io is negligible.
I’m fine with using the apparent speed shit for the Io feat in relation to the chunks, but I disagree immensely with the calculation used by Nik Helton for the speed of the chunks. I think people will know what I mean when they look at the calc, I brought it up in DMs anyway.
Really you can just use v=s/t, the escape velocity of Io is negligible.
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The idea with the shockwaves is that the image takes place AFTER the serious ping pong, and then they all appeared instantaneously due to how small the gap between them was. So no, they wouldn’t have expanded during the attack, they only could have appeared afterward since that’s the aftermath
In fact the entire fact that there’s so many shockwaves at once does prove that they must have been created at almost the same time, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense for Saitama to make them in multiple places at once
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TL;DR
Picture shows aftermath, which is why multiple shockwaves
Saitama can’t be in 2 places at once so they must have been made at the same time for them to all exist at the same time and be the same size
Picture shows aftermath, which is why multiple shockwaves
Saitama can’t be in 2 places at once so they must have been made at the same time for them to all exist at the same time and be the same size
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That would mean that he still blitzed the faster shockwaves, unless you’re saying the shockwaves appeared from smallest to largest in perfect order
but Yknow what none of it matters, point is that he still blitzed all the shockwaves hard enough to where there didn’t seem to be any significant difference between them
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This seems cool, but idk why people are ignoring it.
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My dude it’s not perfect anyway, the shockwaves aren’t the exact same size. Fair enough that it all took place afterwards cause they were afterimages after all, but I think “the shockwaves are the same size and Saitama can’t be in two places at once so there must have been a marginal difference in their growth” is sort of silly but, then again, the calc does just assume that they’re all light apparently so???
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Ok the light thing is a pretty impossible high end I’ll give you that
anyways the point is that at the very least, no shockwave was able to go a significant distance before another shockwave was spawned regardless, and the amount that a difference in the speeds would lower it is unquantifiable and likely quite negligible in the grand scheme of things especially since that requires a layer of deeper thought, while the author just intended to show a moment where the shockwaves appear way slower than the two were moving
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Can we use sneezing for LS or Nah?
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maybe we could get more creative
Since sneezing is an internal bodily function, perhaps we could give Saitama’s organs 5-A durability for surviving it and tanking the extreme fa jin
Since sneezing is an internal bodily function, perhaps we could give Saitama’s organs 5-A durability for surviving it and tanking the extreme fa jin
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Yes of course, and should I believe you?
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Are you joking? Your organs are just as durable as your skin.
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A little smaller, since the organs do not have muscles like in the arm and leg to "reinforce the defense"
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bruh its 2k22
Dragonball characters can control their destructive capacity through KI control
why so much cope
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okbruh its 2k22
Dragonball characters can control their destructive capacity through KI control
why so much cope
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It seems very reasonable it should go through especially with what we know about the speed and rate of which characters like Garou can go from getting stronger which he was being eclipsed by Saitama’s own growth. (Plus literally the graph). So yeah Saitama and Garou should more than likely be 3C
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I mean he should have a 5-A resistance to dura negation attacks like what Garou did
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Ki control is fanfiction. The only mentions of ki control are in minimizing the destruction caused by powerful transformations, and mainaining those transformations, not their actual attacks.bruh its 2k22
Dragonball characters can control their destructive capacity through KI control
why so much cope
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Muscle is a tissue that's under the skin. Skin doesn't contain muscle in it, it's just connected to it.
If Saitama's skin isn't even phased by 4-A attacks, then his entire body is 4-A. Organs, tissues, and all.
Unless you're going to tell me organ tissue is less durable than skin tissue.
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Ok so do dura negating attacks just not matter now
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I didn't say that organs are below 4-A, what I said was that it is much easier to destroy something like a lung with a punch than a skin that is protected by stronger muscles
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Damn Cryo, this is a big L.
Literally every teacher Goku had starting from the lookout taught him a form of controlling his Ki. Vegeta even said in the manga (Android Saga I think?) that if he wasn't constantly restraining his blasts, the Earth would have been destroyed a while ago.
Do you really think that a Kamehameha from Namek Saga Goku and beyond isn't stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta's Galick Gun?
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That's what I mean. Ki control isn't some magical plot device that allows the characters to control their attack radius. Ki control is how they focus their energy throughout their body for combative use. You've literally just restated my point.
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You said "Ki control is fanfiction". Not that Ki control is misinterpreted.
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Because we all know that MUI Goku’s full power attacks would leave all the krillins of the world perfectly fine despite the low 2-C blast radius
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Yes, it is the ability to control their Ki, which is why it's called "Ki control", and this control allows them to control what damage their attacks do. There is plenty of visual evidence behind that, and by plenty I mean almost every Ki attack after the Saiyan Saga.
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I just think about it like this. If every time a character who was multiversal landed a punch they actually did the corresponding amount of damage, the story couldn't progress. I'm simply arguing this is due to plot, not some in universe explanation.
And?
Do you have a link to that out of curiosity. I'm interested because restraining your blast by not using full power, and restraining the size of the blast are two different thing, and a scan could provide context as to which one it is. If I'm wrong, I'll hold that L.
No. Destruction < Clear Narrative Implications.
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The whole argument about Ki control's property of controlling AoE being a myth is ignoring the fact that even start of Z Piccolo, who was fodder to Raditz, could easily annihilate the moon with a normal Ki blast, and Saiyan Saga Vegeta could turn the Earth to ashes with his Galick Gun. Any mid-tier Namek Saga character is stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta, yet their blasts don't even showcase mountain level destructive capacity. That isn't because they're not planet level or using less than a trillionth of their power, it's because they're controlling how much area their blast's effect.
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By that logic, Genos has physics control because some of his punches only make craters instead of appropriate town level destruction.
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But we have an in-universe explanation, even if it's not confirmed by someone directly, and it makes more sense to go with that than just chalking it up to the plot not allowing it. The point is that Ki control is the only way for us to make sense of this obvious ability that Dragon Ball characters have.
You started the discussion by outright saying that Ki control is fanfiction. If you didn't word what you meant properly that's fine, but it is what you said.
Actually it wasn't quite what I remembered. It has some correlation to Ki control, but not in that directsense. Basically in his fight with Android 18, where he fires a normal Ki blast and blows up a small area including a truck, 18 comments that he wasn't serious with the attack, which he follows up by saying that if he was he would've blown up the planet. I can't really link it because the only websites available are the weird piracy manga websites. I tried to upload an image of it from Google images but the link didn't work. The image just gets auto deleted. If you search up "vegeta mentions ki control" it'll be in the first 10 results.
What clear narrative implications? This is the thing. There is next to nothing that even could imply it is not how an aspect of Ki control functions, and it is only directly supported by a mountain of visual evidence across the whole franchise.
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Strawman. The big difference here is that we have clear implications as well as an absurd amount of visual evidence to support that this is something Ki control can do. It isn't just a random theory backed by lacking amounts of evidence. I'm not saying it's confirmed, but I am saying that there is enough evidence to at least consider it as something likely to be true.
Besides, that's not even a good Strawman comparison tbh.
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try not to talk about another series in the OPM discussion thread challenge
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That's the only point I'm trying to make. The specific idea that they use ki control to alter their explosion's radius is headcanon. It's cool headcanon, makes plenty of sense, but it is headcanon.
Do you know English? The name Ki Control is canon, I never said that wasn't the case. In fact I said THE EXACT OPPOSITEwhen my Z boys use KI in combat = thats already a form of KI control
KI control aint fan fic
All I said was the idea of Ki Control being used to manipulate the size of their ki blasts is HEADCANON. Not Ki Control in its entirety.
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