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I'm not saying it's confirmed, but I am saying that there is enough evidence to at least consider it as something likely to be true.
That's still headcanon though... So my Genos point isn't a strawman. There are a mountain of visual feats showing the same phenomenon with Genos, and there's a reasonable explanation due to Dr. Kueno's genius, but it would be wrong to treat it as a quasi fact.
 
That's still headcanon though... So my Genos point isn't a strawman. There are a mountain of visual feats showing the same phenomenon with Genos, and there's a reasonable explanation due to Dr. Kueno's genius, but it would be wrong to treat it as a quasi fact.
We know they can control their energy, we know these characters have been able to blow up planets since the Saiyan Saga, we know their Ki blast's later on are incomparably stronger than those planet busting attacks, but said Ki blast's do very little to the environment, so the most logical consensus for an in-universe explanation is that they can control the AoE of their blasts, because there is no other explanation given at all, nor any other theoretical explanation that would make sense. I'm also not saying that it isn't because the plot can't allow the characters to be destroying planets left in right from a more meta/out-of-universe, in fact I would agree with that, I'm saying that the only plausible or likely explanation that could be given from an in-universe perspective is that Ki control allows them to do this.

The Genos point is a Strawman because there is not only no evidence at all to suggest he can or is supposed to be able to control the AoE of his attacks, but there is also no explainable reason why he would be able to, contrary to Dragon Ball's characters, where we do have relevant evidence as well as logical reasoning. Genos is a cyborg that uses heat and has enhanced power via machinery, Dragon Ball character's use a supernatural, spiritual energy that they can control at their will to enhance themselves and fire blasts of energy. Even from a fictional standpoint, it would be weird and nonsensical for Genos to be capable of controlling the AoE of his attacks, especially his punches. Can't say the same for Dragon Ball characters, because they use a complete fantasy power that we cannot realistically comprehend to begin with.
 
try not to talk about another series in the OPM discussion thread challenge
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Not wrong. Tbf though I'm just partaking in it. Should still stop though.
 
Ki Control being used to manipulate the size of their ki blasts is HEADCANON. Not Ki Control in its entirety.

What do you mean with size? Gokus Kamehameha vs Berrus was bigger than my house.

or do you mean the collateral damage??

If we ignor the business thingy/laziness of mangakas ... KI control is the only answer.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
That's the only point I'm trying to make. The specific idea that they use ki control to alter their explosion's radius is headcanon. It's cool headcanon, makes plenty of sense, but it is headcanon.

Do you know English? The name Ki Control is canon, I never said that wasn't the case. In fact I said THE EXACT OPPOSITE

All I said was the idea of Ki Control being used to manipulate the size of their ki blasts is HEADCANON. Not Ki Control in its entirety.
That's not what headcanon is. That's called a theory. If I said something like "Ki control allows them to manipulate the fundamental laws of reality and control the space around their Ki blasts to make them have less of an effect on the real world", that would be headcanon. There is actual evidence and reasoning behind this, making it a theory, and a pretty likely one at that.
 
Not in here.
Not in here in regards to the off-topic discussion or in regards to it being a theory?

I'm wanting the discussion to end but I'll respond if I'm responded to (in most circumstances, not all).

It is definitely a theory, not headcanon, just based on literal definitions. And considering that nothing contradicts it as a theory, it's a likely one.
 
Does saitama get limited causality manip with the statement genos made?

That he’ll never use in a fight because of the memory wipe bullshit.
 
**** with plot fanfiction where Saitama is dating Fubuki and he cheated on her with Tatsumaki, also he get Tatsu pregnant with a girl, they named her Izumi
... :/
I swear to god I'm about to write 50 paragraph essay on how this partcular fafiction disregards the core of each character and contributes to the erasure of Ace people from fiction lmao.
 
Idk but all I know is Pereira KO’s Izzy within 4 rounds.
Izzy will play the point game he’s been playing for the past couple fights and we have no idea if pereira’s ground game is competent or not.

Izzy could say **** it I’m shooting a double leg at any time if he wanted to.
 
Does saitama get limited causality manip with the statement genos made?

That he’ll never use in a fight because of the memory wipe bullshit.
Well he technically manipulated causality by reversing time and making a drastic change in the past. It's sort of like causality manipulation, but it still just warrants being called time manipulation, or in this case, specifically time travel.

We don't actually need Genos' statement to deduce that, but Genos' statement supports it, I'd think.
 
Question: Does Garou keep the strength he copies permanently, even while outside of his Saitama Mode?

The answer to this question will determine whether or not Garou is a stone wall.

If he doesn't keep it, then Garou's base durability is 4-A as he tanked Serious Punches while outside of that form.
 
Question: Does Garou keep the strength he copies permanently, even while outside of his Saitama Mode?

The answer to this question will determine whether or not Garou is a stone wall.
Probably not. Every time he is fighting well with Saitama, we see Garou's version of Saitama's face plastered onto his own. Most likely he was just staying in Saitama Mode, which kept evolving every time the actual Saitama grew. But Garou's ability to copy could not keep up with Saitama's ability to grow, boosted by his emotional state.

He could still just make a mode for whoever he's up against though in a versus battle, as long as they're not so powerful he literally cannot copy them even remotely.
 
Wouldn't this affect Blast too, considering his rating comes from harming Garou
Maybe. You also have Blast briefly containing the energy of SPS, but whether or not that scales to his physical stats is impossible to say.

In fact, seeing as only his enhanced attacks harmed Garou and he never got hit with something other than maybe the SPS energy, but that's up to interpretation, the only raw, unenhanced physical stat we can really scale is his speed, lol.
 
Question: Does Garou keep the strength he copies permanently, even while outside of his Saitama Mode?

The answer to this question will determine whether or not Garou is a stone wall.

If he doesn't keep it, then Garou's base durability is 4-A as he tanked Serious Punches while outside of that form.
Theres no reason to assume stone wall tbh when the graph showed him climbing up and never dropping. Not to mention he deliberately wanted to be able to use saitamas full power and him to bring it out. Like, why would he just suddenly lose it.

Not to mention that would imply blast is saitamas level (for harming garou and making chunks or something fly off hisface) despite him barely being able to contain the serious punch energy and needing outside help to redirect it (not to mention how out of place it is narratively).

Edit: And yeah he was in saitama mode when he could harm saitama, but saitama was still outpacing him in terms of growth and being out that mode just gives saitama room to surpass him further even when retaining the power.
 
Theres no reason to assume stone wall tbh when the graph showed him climbing up and never dropping. Not to mention he deliberately wanted to be able to use saitamas full power and him to bring it out. Like, why would he just suddenly lose it.

Not to mention that would imply blast is saitamas level (for harming garou and making chunks or something fly off hisface) despite him barely being able to contain the serious punch energy and needing outside help to redirect it (not to mention how out of place it is narratively).

Edit: And yeah he was in saitama mode when he could harm saitama, but saitama was still outpacing him in terms of growth and being out that mode just gives saitama room to surpass him further even when retaining the power.
Blast never harms Garou.

Do not post the screenshots of Blast punchs ripping something out of Garou's nonexistent mouth, that's a common thing used for punches even with Saitama
 
Question: Does Garou keep the strength he copies permanently, even while outside of his Saitama Mode?

The answer to this question will determine whether or not Garou is a stone wall.

If he doesn't keep it, then Garou's base durability is 4-A as he tanked Serious Punches while outside of that form.
Garou does indeed retain the power from what he copies
for example, he clearly retains techniques like the blast portals, but more importantly he takes serious punches left and right despite saitama's AD
also yeah the graph doesn't show him going down, it seems that he just retains the strength he copies
which is why he didn't have enough strength to take the zero punch since at that point he had only copied consecutive normal punches and then did the gamma ray burst
in other words Garou copies ultra instinct's mftl+ value and then speed blitzes goku with AD
gg dragon ball gets soloed
 
Question: Does Garou keep the strength he copies permanently, even while outside of his Saitama Mode?

The answer to this question will determine whether or not Garou is a stone wall.

If he doesn't keep it, then Garou's base durability is 4-A as he tanked Serious Punches while outside of that form.
Naturally.
 
Even Blast's friends agree (albeit indirectly) that Blast can fight well against this Garou.

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Blast gets fodderized by Garou and Saitama hard, he struggled to contain their full power and then the graph gives an estimated 64 times multiplier (far higher than this within literally a few seconds) higher than the serious punch ^2
After Garou copied Blast's techniques he had no more tricks up his sleeve really, except maybe since he can only copy the strength of one person they were planning to gang up on him and kill him before the AD could surpass all of their combined power
but blast by himself wouldn't stand a chance, Garou beats everyone except saitama in a 1 on one scenario
 
Blast never harms Garou.

Do not post the screenshots of Blast punchs ripping something out of Garou's nonexistent mouth, that's a common thing used for punches even with Saitama
In the panel after that we can see flakes chipped off of Garou floating around him as he heads into a portal, I'll circle the most obvious one. It's much different from the effect Murata likes to use when someone gets punched, not the first panel, that is very similar, but the second one is noticeably different. We can also see a clear formation in Garou's right cheek, where he was hit by Blast.

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It definitely effected Garou. He wouldn't be able to just pull a Senator Armstrong on Blast.
 
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