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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Understand what you're talking about before you speak.
The mid-end of my calc is not calc stacking. Read this page. I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people who don't understand what calc stacking is. This is ridiculous.
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Alright.
Can anyone here make a perfectly reasonable analysis on @Kachon123's calc and make an argument for why the mid end is calc stacking?
No? You can't? So I cordially ask you to shut your mouths, or rather your fingers. Literally, why are we against indexing accurate information?
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Last I checked the mid end for your calc was using apparent speed for the shockwaves, dunno what it is now.
Regardless I don’t think it’s a “reliably stated time frame” cause I don’t think it’s reliable one ******* bit. Say I have a reaction speed of 0.2 seconds. If someone a billion times faster than me hits me repeatedly in that amount of time in different places I’m not going to be able to intercept a single one of their hits. It doesn’t have to be in the millisecond range in terms of time frame for Garou to be blitzed.
Regardless I don’t think it’s a “reliably stated time frame” cause I don’t think it’s reliable one ******* bit. Say I have a reaction speed of 0.2 seconds. If someone a billion times faster than me hits me repeatedly in that amount of time in different places I’m not going to be able to intercept a single one of their hits. It doesn’t have to be in the millisecond range in terms of time frame for Garou to be blitzed.
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"I don't think" ain't an argument. We see a clock and a gazillion times slower Garou reacting in that period, it's his official reaction timeframe.
It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.
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That is not at all what Kachon's mid-end was using. Only my slow-mo calculator uses speed for shockwaves, which was a reasonable 343 m/s given its size on the moon of Io, IRL explosives have their shockwave velocity drop like a ******* rock within 1 foot of the epicenter, but I'm having a hard time finding that calculator since the link is dead, but DT made one.
That I can't agree with, because then this assumes the entire Garou vs Golden Sperm feat is invalid, which is bullshit by a long ******* shot.
Or else you're nuking the validity of IRL projectile speeds or IRL timeframes as well.
Wrong, pre-Saitama fight Garou could literally do an ass-load of movements within that specified timeframe as shown in the manga even before we're exceeding to the atmosphere, if you're blitzing him to that egregious degree, chances are extremely high you're moving way faster than what his perception timeframe would allow.
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It was never that. I don't know what you're talking about.
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It’s not just travel speed
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At this point I may delete the low end I had and make the current mid end the low end instead.
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That should be fine to do
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“"I don't think" ain't an argument. We see a clock and a gazillion times slower Garou reacting in that period, it's his official reaction timeframe.”
It was a precursor dude, you are engaging with so much unprovoked heat it’s sort of comical. Cool down a bit.
“It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.”
Prove he didn’t realise what was going on. The reason he didn’t place portals is cause as soon as he does he’d be in a completely different ******* area and obviously he can’t deflect. He was even yelling and shit lol.
It was a precursor dude, you are engaging with so much unprovoked heat it’s sort of comical. Cool down a bit.
“It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.”
Prove he didn’t realise what was going on. The reason he didn’t place portals is cause as soon as he does he’d be in a completely different ******* area and obviously he can’t deflect. He was even yelling and shit lol.
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“That I can't agree with, because then this assumes the entire Garou vs Golden Sperm feat is invalid, which is bullshit by a long ******* shot.
Or else you're nuking the validity of IRL projectile speeds or IRL timeframes as well.”
Eh, yeah. I just misunderstood what the calc was about cause I hadn’t actually seen it. Still think it’s wrong tho.
Or else you're nuking the validity of IRL projectile speeds or IRL timeframes as well.”
Eh, yeah. I just misunderstood what the calc was about cause I hadn’t actually seen it. Still think it’s wrong tho.
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Done.
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All that proves is that he couldn’t react to Saitama or the speed Saitama was throwing him at in shorter intervals and not across the entire ping pong. Which is what my point is.
He’s literally shown screaming and sweating, it’s not like one moment he was jumping and the other the ping pong was over.
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It doesn't even matter if he fully knew what was going on. Fact is, Garou and PS had a long ass fight from their perspective where they made god knows how many attacks, dodges, leaps and counters. Saitama just smashed Garou to the point where he couldn't really react to any blow and only broke out after it occurred.
Garou here had already powered up to the point where he could blitz Platinum Sperm (who performed the feat), increased his powers against Saitama, transformed twice (explicitly increasing his abilities a lot) while simultaneously increasing his powers with evolution, received a massive amp from God, boosted his abilities further by copying Saitama, and continued to evolve even more.
Even if he was just a bit surprised by the speed of what was happening, that's probably more than enough for the Garou that fought on par with PS, let alone Garou here.
Garou here had already powered up to the point where he could blitz Platinum Sperm (who performed the feat), increased his powers against Saitama, transformed twice (explicitly increasing his abilities a lot) while simultaneously increasing his powers with evolution, received a massive amp from God, boosted his abilities further by copying Saitama, and continued to evolve even more.
Even if he was just a bit surprised by the speed of what was happening, that's probably more than enough for the Garou that fought on par with PS, let alone Garou here.
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So? This doesn’t change the fact that he can still fail to produce a decent counterattack even if the entire process of him getting ping pinged around a moon is done in a time frame he can respond to. All that is needed for him to not be able to do anything is that he can’t react in much smaller intervals.
If I’m fighting somebody and before I can react I’ve been moved 50 metres away I won’t be able to do Jack shit to the person who did that no matter how long they keep doing that.
For him to be a bit surprised all Saitama needs to do is be significantly faster than him. For Garou not to be able to respond Saitama only needs to be a few multiple times faster than him, that’s all. Mentioning that Garou powered up can only be relevant if you can prove that those amps gave him a speed boost in the thousands.
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Jesus ******* Christ I know, that’s why every comment I’ve made has been considerate of this. What do you think the arguments you’ve been replying to are lol?
Okay so you’re responding to the “Garou would be thousands of times stronger” thing I’m assuming. My entire stance for this whole exchange is that the amount Saitama would have to be faster than Garou to throw him around a moon is not as impressive as people seem to think so the only way your point about “Garou got stronger” would matter is if Garou got thousands of times faster. Sorry you said something irrelevant so I responded with something that sounded irrelevant ig.
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Clearly, you're not getting what I'm saying, so I'm honestly not going to bother with you here. It's not worth the effort.
I get what you're saying, it just doesn't ******* matter. Garou couldn't really react at all, at any point, couldn't focus, and only broke out after. It's definitely the entire damn fight and not just the individual intervals. Which is why I saying that it didn't even matter if Garou fully knew what was going on in.
It doesn't matter that he's only moving across parts of Io, because Garou was ******* demolished the entire time, whereas he previously had an entire fight waving through debris thousands of times in a weaker form.
I get what you're saying, it just doesn't ******* matter. Garou couldn't really react at all, at any point, couldn't focus, and only broke out after. It's definitely the entire damn fight and not just the individual intervals. Which is why I saying that it didn't even matter if Garou fully knew what was going on in.
It doesn't matter that he's only moving across parts of Io, because Garou was ******* demolished the entire time, whereas he previously had an entire fight waving through debris thousands of times in a weaker form.
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You don't need to. Perception timeframes are much swifter than reaction speeds and even movement speeds. That 0.1 millisecond timeframe he's got going on is literally part of his movement speed in actuality, so his reactions would scale to it bare minimum, his perception would scale much higher like it does with IRL humans.
"Still think it's wrong tho".
Based on? Don't just say why you think you're wrong.
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since the debate is almost over can we make a CRT about their achievements in io month now?
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Can you link your calc here? I wanna see.
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One-Punch Man: Saitama and Garou Jump Around Io
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If there's nothing in the next chapter, the CRT will definitely come out on the 18th.
Edit: Forgot it takes time for translations. So it's more like 19th, for me in Adelaide and the Japanese at least.
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GodlyCharmander
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Take ya own damn advise why don't ya?
Even people disagreeing with the (now) low end are against you, buddy.
GodlyCharmander
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Except the "important people", yes. Quotations because I don't mean it literally. I'm debating the CGMs in the calc comments itself, but honestly the topic should be moved here to avoid needless back and forths there.
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I don't think KLOL is still debating against it.
Hopefully more calc members come here. Actually, I'll try @ing a few.
@Therefir @Armorchompy
Hopefully more calc members come here. Actually, I'll try @ing a few.
@Therefir @Armorchompy
GodlyCharmander
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Do either of them care about OPM enough to even get the context here?
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Both of them have made/evaluated calcs for OPM, keep up with the series, and are relatively active on this thread. So yes.
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I was only using that wording cause that’s the wording Charmander used. My argument stands regardless. Everything happening could be in his reaction time and he still wouldn’t be able to produce a useful counterattack; also, screaming is still a reaction.
I had already said why in other comments so I didn’t feel the need to explain there.
You very blatantly didn’t get what I was saying and I was being a lot more lucid so that’s a hypocritical thing to say.
What do you think he could have done if Saitama only moved say… 50 metres in half of Garou’s reaction time? He couldn’t produce a counter attack, especially since the entire point of the serious table flip was so that Saitama could launch attacks from all directions. He could flail a bit sure…he might be getting flung with too much force for him to move his own body though. He could scream I guess… oh wait he did that.
Yes I said a naughty word and found some bad faith arguing funny. Sorry bruv, I clearly chimped out too quick.
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No, you're genuinely not getting what I'm saying.
So here's the extremely simple version: we were calculating the course Garou took while getting ping ponged. Saitama was blitzing him all the way and darting between the rocks, so this calc is actually a massive low-ball because we were calculating a feat that Saitama performed.
In hindsight, I did an astronomically dogshit explanation and shouldn't have got heated.
It doesn't matter what he could have done, because that's not what happened. You're treating this as if it's only 1 attack, but it's hundreds. That stacks up, especially since we're comparing an entire fight scene where Garou didn't just flail a bit to this.
Cool, literally doesn't matter at all if you actually listened to my argument.
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Reactions are no longer timeframes. They require a distance component now. So no.
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Yes it’s a massive lowball if you use your interpretation of events, I’m not using it.
Sure, Garou’s reaction time has decreased since the PS fight. Does this matter when it comes to debating this particular interpretation of events? No.
Is that actually not Garou’s reaction time and instead the time it takes for him to do a bunch of shit? Sure it is, doesn’t ******* matter when discussing this interpretation of events either. Garou could have done as many actions as he took when fighting PS and more while being ping ponged but if it wouldn’t have produced a noteworthy counterattack then nothing would have changed about the scene.
Screaming is a physical reaction, it happened almost immediately as the ping pong started occurring. If he could produce some reaction that early on he could have screamed thousands of times across Io. He could have moved his mouth a greater distance than the distance he fought platinum sperm over. Not that he did, but he could.
Sure, Garou’s reaction time has decreased since the PS fight. Does this matter when it comes to debating this particular interpretation of events? No.
Is that actually not Garou’s reaction time and instead the time it takes for him to do a bunch of shit? Sure it is, doesn’t ******* matter when discussing this interpretation of events either. Garou could have done as many actions as he took when fighting PS and more while being ping ponged but if it wouldn’t have produced a noteworthy counterattack then nothing would have changed about the scene.
Screaming is a physical reaction, it happened almost immediately as the ping pong started occurring. If he could produce some reaction that early on he could have screamed thousands of times across Io. He could have moved his mouth a greater distance than the distance he fought platinum sperm over. Not that he did, but he could.
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I could have swapped “reaction time” with another description like “time taken to do so and so”. Wouldn’t have mattered.
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