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Understand what you're talking about before you speak.Also what people are suggesting is objectively calc stacking and not allowed. Find another way lmao.
Also what people are suggesting is objectively calc stacking and not allowed. Find another way lmao.
"I don't think" ain't an argument. We see a clock and a gazillion times slower Garou reacting in that period, it's his official reaction timeframe.Last I checked the mid end for your calc was using apparent speed for the shockwaves, dunno what it is now.
Regardless I don’t think it’s a “reliably stated time frame” cause I don’t think it’s reliable one ******* bit.
It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.Say I have a reaction speed of 0.2 seconds. If someone a billion times faster than me hits me repeatedly in that amount of time in different places I’m not going to be able to intercept a single one of their hits. It doesn’t have to be in the millisecond range in terms of time frame for Garou to be blitzed.
That is not at all what Kachon's mid-end was using. Only my slow-mo calculator uses speed for shockwaves, which was a reasonable 343 m/s given its size on the moon of Io, IRL explosives have their shockwave velocity drop like a ******* rock within 1 foot of the epicenter, but I'm having a hard time finding that calculator since the link is dead, but DT made one.Last I checked the mid end for your calc was using apparent speed for the shockwaves, dunno what it is now.
That I can't agree with, because then this assumes the entire Garou vs Golden Sperm feat is invalid, which is bullshit by a long ******* shot.Regardless I don’t think it’s a “reliably stated time frame” cause I don’t think it’s reliable one ******* bit.
Wrong, pre-Saitama fight Garou could literally do an ass-load of movements within that specified timeframe as shown in the manga even before we're exceeding to the atmosphere, if you're blitzing him to that egregious degree, chances are extremely high you're moving way faster than what his perception timeframe would allow.Say I have a reaction speed of 0.2 seconds. If someone a billion times faster than me hits me repeatedly in that amount of time in different places I’m not going to be able to intercept a single one of their hits. It doesn’t have to be in the millisecond range in terms of time frame for Garou to be blitzed.
It was never that. I don't know what you're talking about.Last I checked the mid end for your calc was using apparent speed for the shockwaves, dunno what it is now.
It’s not just travel speedDoes it even matter that much anyway, isn’t it just travelling speed?
At this point I may delete the low end I had and make the current mid end the low end instead.By this logic, using human perception speed is also calc stacking.
That should be fine to doAt this point I may delete the low end I had and make the current mid end the low end instead.
Done.At this point I may delete the low end I had and make the current mid end the low end instead.
All that proves is that he couldn’t react to Saitama or the speed Saitama was throwing him at in shorter intervals and not across the entire ping pong. Which is what my point is.
So? This doesn’t change the fact that he can still fail to produce a decent counterattack even if the entire process of him getting ping pinged around a moon is done in a time frame he can respond to. All that is needed for him to not be able to do anything is that he can’t react in much smaller intervals.It doesn't even matter if he fully knew what was going on. Fact is, Garou and PS had a long ass fight from their perspective where they made god knows how many attacks, dodges, leaps and counters. Saitama just smashed Garou to the point where he couldn't really react to any blow and only broke out after it occurred.
For him to be a bit surprised all Saitama needs to do is be significantly faster than him. For Garou not to be able to respond Saitama only needs to be a few multiple times faster than him, that’s all. Mentioning that Garou powered up can only be relevant if you can prove that those amps gave him a speed boost in the thousands.Garou here had already powered up to the point where he could blitz Platinum Sperm (who performed the feat), increased his powers against Saitama, transformed twice (explicitly increasing his abilities a lot) while simultaneously increasing his powers with evolution, received a massive amp from God, boosted his abilities further by copying Saitama, and continued to evolve even more.
Even if he was just a bit surprised by the speed of what was happening, that's probably more than enough for the Garou that fought on par with PS, let alone Garou here.
Jesus ******* Christ I know, that’s why every comment I’ve made has been considerate of this. What do you think the arguments you’ve been replying to are lol?Garou isn't even the one performing the feat here, it's Saitama. This is why we're saying Garou didn't realise what was going on and got blitzed.
Saitama scales, and then Garou surpassed him at this level.
You don't need to. Perception timeframes are much swifter than reaction speeds and even movement speeds. That 0.1 millisecond timeframe he's got going on is literally part of his movement speed in actuality, so his reactions would scale to it bare minimum, his perception would scale much higher like it does with IRL humans.“"I don't think" ain't an argument. We see a clock and a gazillion times slower Garou reacting in that period, it's his official reaction timeframe.”
It was a precursor dude, you are engaging with so much unprovoked heat it’s sort of comical. Cool down a bit.
“It does. If all these movement happened before you could realize what's going on, it's in that timeframe.”
Prove he didn’t realise what was going on. The reason he didn’t place portals is cause as soon as he does he’d be in a completely different ******* area and obviously he can’t deflect. He was even yelling and shit lol.
"Still think it's wrong tho".“That I can't agree with, because then this assumes the entire Garou vs Golden Sperm feat is invalid, which is bullshit by a long ******* shot.
Or else you're nuking the validity of IRL projectile speeds or IRL timeframes as well.”
Eh, yeah. I just misunderstood what the calc was about cause I hadn’t actually seen it. Still think it’s wrong tho.
It was never that. I don't know what you're talking about.
Can you link your calc here? I wanna see.
If there's nothing in the next chapter, the CRT will definitely come out on the 18th.since the debate is almost over can we make a CRT about their achievements in io month now?
Jesus ******* Christ I know.
you are engaging with so much unprovoked heat it’s sort of comical. Cool down a bit.
Except the "important people", yes. Quotations because I don't mean it literally. I'm debating the CGMs in the calc comments itself, but honestly the topic should be moved here to avoid needless back and forths there.Okay, what is the general consensus now. From what I'm seeing on this thread, most of you agree with the 0.0001 second timeframe, no?
Do either of them care about OPM enough to even get the context here?I don't think KLOL is still debating against it.
Hopefully more calc members come here. Actually, I'll try @ing a few.
@Therefir @Armorchompy
Both of them have made/evaluated calcs for OPM, keep up with the series, and are relatively active on this thread. So yes.Do either of them care about OPM enough to even get the context here?
Wutbro,ya vi esa batalla bro,ya la vi,la vi hace años(4 años)que crees que no lo se
Bruh wutYou want us to simply ignore the manga version and only create webcomic profiles going forward?
I was only using that wording cause that’s the wording Charmander used. My argument stands regardless. Everything happening could be in his reaction time and he still wouldn’t be able to produce a useful counterattack; also, screaming is still a reaction.You don't need to. Perception timeframes are much swifter than reaction speeds and even movement speeds. That 0.1 millisecond timeframe he's got going on is literally part of his movement speed in actuality, so his reactions would scale to it bare minimum, his perception would scale much higher like it does with IRL humans.
I had already said why in other comments so I didn’t feel the need to explain there."Still think it's wrong tho".
Based on? Don't just say why you think you're wrong.
You very blatantly didn’t get what I was saying and I was being a lot more lucid so that’s a hypocritical thing to say.Clearly, you're not getting what I'm saying, so I'm honestly not going to bother with you here. It's not worth the effort.
What do you think he could have done if Saitama only moved say… 50 metres in half of Garou’s reaction time? He couldn’t produce a counter attack, especially since the entire point of the serious table flip was so that Saitama could launch attacks from all directions. He could flail a bit sure…he might be getting flung with too much force for him to move his own body though. He could scream I guess… oh wait he did that.I get what you're saying, it just doesn't ******* matter. Garou couldn't really react at all, at any point, couldn't focus, and only broke out after. It's definitely the entire damn fight and not just the individual intervals. Which is why I saying that it didn't even matter if Garou fully knew what was going on in.
It doesn't matter that he's only moving across parts of Io, because Garou was ******* demolished the entire time, whereas he previously had an entire fight waving through debris thousands of times in a weaker form.
Yes I said a naughty word and found some bad faith arguing funny. Sorry bruv, I clearly chimped out too quick.Take ya own damn advise why don't ya?
Even people disagreeing with the (now) low end are against you, buddy.
No, you're genuinely not getting what I'm saying.You very blatantly didn’t get what I was saying and I was being a lot more lucid so that’s a hypocritical thing to say.
It doesn't matter what he could have done, because that's not what happened. You're treating this as if it's only 1 attack, but it's hundreds. That stacks up, especially since we're comparing an entire fight scene where Garou didn't just flail a bit to this.What do you think he could have done if Saitama only moved say… 50 metres in half of Garou’s reaction time. What could he do? He couldn’t produce a counter attack, especially since the entire point of the serious table flip was so that Saitama could launch attacks from all directions. He could flail a bit sure… might be moving too fast for him to move his own body though.
Cool, literally doesn't matter at all if you actually listened to my argument.He could scream… he did scream.
Reactions are no longer timeframes. They require a distance component now. So no.I was only using that wording cause that’s the wording Charmander used. My argument stands regardless. Everything happening could be in his reaction time and he still wouldn’t be able to produce a useful counterattack; also, screaming is still a reaction.
I could have swapped “reaction time” with another description like “time taken to do so and so”. Wouldn’t have mattered.Reactions are no longer timeframes. They require a distance component now. So no.