Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

[Dark_Soul20189]

And I want you to look at the 2nd part. If Tensura doesn't have feats of being able to interact then nope.

I am not arguing specifically for tensura here. And I did look at the 2nd part. But you can't ignore how it specifically mentions "the dualities in question" and "On an entire reality"

Saying they would be immune to everything below it doesn't make sense. What you are debating for, are the properties of Type 3, not Type 2.

It is no different than claiming someone with Concept manipulation immunity would also be immune to Plot manipulation.
While both are metaphysical aspects and can have the same function, they don't grant immunity toward similar hax.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

why am I still arguing for a verse here that's gonna probably reach low 1-A/1-A soon

Anyways I asked DT so he'll solve this issue if he answers ig.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

why am I still arguing for a verse here that's gonna probably reach low 1-A/1-A soon

No idea XD

Anyways I asked DT so he'll solve this issue if he answers ig.

That will be very helpful.
Thank you for that, since it will clear things up, regardless of which one of us is correct.

 

[Wesker018]

it´s funny because i don't really give a damn about the two characters, I just think that transduality works differently than what is being said lol
but well, it's better that DT clears up our doubts.

 

[CodeCCLL]

The NLF is presupposing info hax can interact with ND/TD without feats of affecting such things.

Burden of proof fallacy

This is when someone attempts to make someone else prove a claim when the burden of proof is really on them to prove it. The burden of proof is always on the positive claim, and the person who makes the claim.

The reason why TD is immune to things that covered by dualities is because TD is superior to dualities.

You're the one making the positive claim that SPT characters have immunity to a power not covered by the dualities in question in the first place.

 

[deonment]

So uh, can tensura characters do anything when their ability to change has been erased to a beyond baseline NEP2 degree?
Because they all get erased to that passively against TLQ
this shouldn't even be a discussion even without the low 1-A/1-A stuff because they should have aca type 5 either way

 

[CodeCCLL]

So uh, can tensura characters do anything when their ability to change has been erased to a beyond baseline NEP2 degree?
Because they all get erased to that passively against TLQ

If we are talking about Rimuru.

•Rimuru's mind, soul, thoughts, and skills are composed of type 2 information, so TLQ cannot erase them. Rimuru continues to exist even if causality erased, with feats behind his BDE Type 1, Acausality Type 1, 4. Even if TLQ erases Rimuru's conceptual self, Rimuru can regenerate himself.

•Unless Rimuru is erased at the same time as Veldora, who is in an isolated space from the Low 1-C structure, Veldora can resurrect Rimuru.

•Again, thought-based can stop time in all of the countless Low 1-C worlds, all of which are acausal to each other.

It appeares though it is passive, the time period for the process is uncertain. So:

•Rimuru can go to another Low 1-C structure with his immeasurable perception speed and thought based extradimensional travel and he can then nuke the SPT cosmology at information type 2 level.

Other characters may have other disadvantages and advantages over Rimuru.

 

[Robo432343]

You don't even know the difference between type 2 information and type 1 information. The knowledge of the soul is type 1 information because it needs the soul to exist (an area). Type 2 information is the fundemental information that constitutes an existence.

There's a reason that damn NEP aspect type 4 exists.

you do realize you just said an admin doesn't know the difference between type 2 info and type 1 info right
coz i copy pasted what an admin said

 

[Vietthai96]

ND/TD page quite literally says all things unless they have feats of affecting ND/TD.

IIrc, after the recent CRT from DT, Nondual is mostly useless now, it require the verse to specific what nondual does in the verse, like Aca 4 nowaday. Transdual however stay the same as before, mean you need feat of interacting with Transdual type 2 and 3

 

[Robo432343]

ngl TLQ stomps blazblue

 

[Phoenks]

Low 1-A character masquerading as a Low 1-C

 

[Vietthai96]

ngl TLQ stomps blazblue

BB have infinite x countless layers of hax, so they stomp all in Low 1-C, except What a Beautiful Series with Aca 5, Slay the Princess should probably share that #1 spot with Transdual 2, still like @Phoenks said, they should be at least Low 1-A

 

[Robo432343]

huh
Low 1-A was rejected by ultima

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

huh
Low 1-A was rejected by ultima

He changed his mind after playing the game

 

[Mizuki67]

BDE type 1 mean you just lack space-time feature, low 1-A upward is BDE type 2

Type 1 already grants them protection to the destruction of their own cosmology. It does not matter how powerfull DC is because they would still be alive if their opponent cant interact with them and they are disconnected from its space time reality

I am just saying nuking whole cosmology isnt an instant win sometimes you have to look at the opponent hax just like you having a higher dimensional ap or durability does not mean you are immune to lower dimensional hax

 

[CodeCCLL]

you do realize you just said an admin doesn't know the difference between type 2 info and type 1 info right
coz i copy pasted what an admin said

I didn't realize it because when I quote someone, unlike you, I always state whose opinion I'm quoting belongs to.
(cuz everyone can be wrong)

But I wouldn't care if I realized.

 

[Vietthai96]

Type 1 already grants them protection to the destruction of their own cosmology. It does not matter how powerfull DC is because they would still be alive if their opponent cant interact with them and they are disconnected from its space time reality

I am just saying nuking whole cosmology isnt an instant win sometimes you have to look at the opponent hax just like you having a higher dimensional ap or durability does not mean you are immune to lower dimensional hax

Did you read the BDE page??, it doesn't grant you anything aside from immune to space-time hax and aca 1 because you lack space-time feature, it doesn't make you uninteractable. A 3D character could be BDE1 due to lacking space-time feature and still getting nuked along with the cosmology

 

[Mizuki67]

Did you read the BDE page??, it doesn't grant you anything aside from immune to space-time hax and aca 1 because you lack space-time feature, it doesn't make you uninteractable. A 3D character could be BDE1 due to lacking space-time feature and still getting nuked along with the cosmology

Which isnt true. BDE is a state of existence where you lack spacial temporal feature which means even if you destroy the universe you exist in you will still not be affected at all. Unless said character is able to destroy a void which is something lacking of space time it self

 

[Mizuki67]

Which isnt necessarily true. BDE is a state of existence where you lack spacial temporal feature which means even if you destroy the universe you exist in you will still not be affected at all. Unless said character is able to destroy a void which is something lacking of space time it self

So yeah my point still does not change

 

[Robo432343]

Which isnt true. BDE is a state of existence where you lack spacial temporal feature which means even if you destroy the universe you exist in you will still not be affected at all. Unless said character is able to destroy a void which is something lacking of space time it self

this is a very big leap

 

[Mizuki67]

this is a very big leap

How do u explain the logic then ? Blowing up space times will not affect bde characters which the wiki has already mentioned which is in context referring to characters who lack space and time

 

[Vietthai96]

Which isnt true. BDE is a state of existence where you lack spacial temporal feature which means even if you destroy the universe you exist in you will still not be affected at all. Unless said character is able to destroy a void which is something lacking of space time it self

Sorry but what the page say > what you say

Also a void is NEP, BDE1 isn't NEP, just lack space-time

 

[CodeCCLL]

BB have infinite x countless layers of hax, so they stomp all in Low 1-C, except What a Beautiful Series with Aca 5, Slay the Princess should probably share that #1 spot with Transdual 2, still like @Phoenks said, they should be at least Low 1-A

"Edison and M" are just a stone wall lack of offensive abilities compared to BlazBlue and even Tensura characters.

 

[Ar1216789]

Can someone tell me why having distorted versions of space and time isn't 5-D

 

[Vietthai96]

"Edison and M" are just a stone wall lack of offensive abilities compared to BlazBlue and even Tensura characters.

Actually they have CM1 hax and Info 2, Data, Law hax via Cracking and Cracking Physiology, they have NEP2 too, just that their hax are baseline

 

[Robo432343]

The Ur-Dragon

The Ur-Dragon is an immensely powerful entity that has existed since the beginning of the multiverse. It is the progenitor of dragons in all forms on every plane, its essence held within them, and its blood in their veins. While every dragon is in some way an aspect of the entity, the Primeval...

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this guy solos the entire list

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

The Ur-Dragon

The Ur-Dragon is an immensely powerful entity that has existed since the beginning of the multiverse. It is the progenitor of dragons in all forms on every plane, its essence held within them, and its blood in their veins. While every dragon is in some way an aspect of the entity, the Primeval...

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this guy solos the entire list

Satire?

 

[Robo432343]

Satire?

yuh
but im not sure where to place him

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Prob hella low.like 17as a guess.abilities aren’t really explained. (Doubt he is getting higher)

 

[Robo432343]

Prob hella low.like 17as a guess.abilities aren’t really explained

he has all the abilities of this character

Nicol Bolas

Though now Nameless, Nicol Bolas was a Planeswalker as well as an Elder Dragon, one of only seven who survived The Elder Dragon War. He along with his Kin were born from Ur-Dragon. Originally being a Planeswalker before the Mending occurred Nicol Bolas is considered one of the oldest beings in...

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

he has all the abilities of this character

Nicol Bolas

Though now Nameless, Nicol Bolas was a Planeswalker as well as an Elder Dragon, one of only seven who survived The Elder Dragon War. He along with his Kin were born from Ur-Dragon. Originally being a Planeswalker before the Mending occurred Nicol Bolas is considered one of the oldest beings in...

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Nicol's balls, my favorite character.

 

[Robo432343]

someone put D&D below tensura

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

someone put D&D below tensura

Psst, mods can see the edit history, king

 

[Lort15]

Nicol's balls, my favorite character.

mhmmm

 

[Robo432343]

Veldanava is losing his NEP
DND characters win now

 

[Robo432343]

snip

you know how it says 50-94 layers for DnD in the hax layer thread
does that apply for lady of pain?