Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

Astral_Trinity439 · 2024-10-30T12:23:11+0000

Vietthai96 said:
Tier 2 is outlier in the current system which is hard to address, but again starting from 2-A, unless the verse specific it, everything is baseline, you can have higher AP via scaling chain such as B stronger than A, C stronger than B, etc...but by default encompassing more low 1-c structure (or any higher structure) is the same as baseline, the verse need to specific that encompassing more structure mean you stronger or bigger or have more range, etc...... This is the standard

You do know that the difference between how 2-A works and how Low 1-C works is huge right? If we go into numbers, if we assume[for the sake of the analogy] that A is Low 2-C, then A x Aleph0 is 2-A, meanwhile A x Aleph1 is Low 1-C/5D. However, A x Aleph1 x Countless does not equal A x Aleph1 x Countless; "5D" is only infinite when in comparison to a non 5D, it can however, still be finite with respect to another higher infinity, and via that analogy, finite[Low 1-C] x finite is >>> its original value of "finite".

And before you say "Finite multipliers don't work on tier 2", remember that the assumption here is taking the 4D[and 5D] as "finite"[uncountably infinitely lesser] as compared to a higher infinity like 5D[or higher in case 5D is assumed as the "finite"].

Anyways, I'mma ask a staff with expertise in tier 1 just to get your question answered...

Planck69 · 2024-10-30T12:31:56+0000

Encompassing more structures in Low 1-C would still be baseline, unless there's some specification to the contrary, as I understand it. Tier 2 is just kinda badly made rn.

Vietthai96 · 2024-10-30T12:49:51+0000

Astral_Trinity439 said:
You do know that the difference between how 2-A works and how Low 1-C works is huge right? If we go into numbers, if we assume[for the sake of the analogy] that A is Low 2-C, then A x Aleph0 is 2-A, meanwhile A x Aleph1 is Low 1-C/5D. However, A x Aleph1 x Countless does not equal A x Aleph1 x Countless; "5D" is only infinite when in comparison to a non 5D, it can however, still be finite with respect to another higher infinity, and via that analogy, finite[Low 1-C] x finite is >>> its original value of "finite".

And before you say "Finite multipliers don't work on tier 2", remember that the assumption here is taking the 4D[and 5D] as "finite"[uncountably infinitely lesser] as compared to a higher infinity like 5D[or higher in case 5D is assumed as the "finite"].

Anyways, I'mma ask a staff with expertise in tier 1 just to get your question answered...

If i do not know, i would not talk to you, as i said, tier 2 is outlier and is a bad example

Rikimarox2 · 2024-10-30T17:38:47+0000

Tier 10-A is a bit weird here. First off, Subaru should probably be removed looking at the profile, as he doesn't have a 10-A key, every key is 9-B. Additionally, why is Izban above Kaworu, who has the Anti field? Unless Kaworu can't use it and takes time to use it?

Wesker018 · 2024-10-30T20:01:31+0000

Ozriel vs Veldanava (God)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ozriel#Base_Abilities%E2%96%BE https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Veldanava_(Light_Novel)

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Dragonite007 · 2024-10-30T23:38:53+0000

Sooooooooooooooooooo.......

What I need to change or add?

Arkenis · 2024-10-30T23:41:35+0000

Dragonite007 said:
Sooooooooooooooooooo.......

What I need to change or add?

Salem isn't 7-B anymore so she needs to be removed.

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-30T23:45:20+0000

Dragonite007 said:
Sooooooooooooooooooo.......

What I need to change or add?

The slime characters are L1-C now, and already Rimuru stomped CC Goku and Arale.

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-30T23:46:19+0000

Tempestdragon6 said:
Rimuru (Ln) Vs cc Goku the final battle battle for the strongest low 1c non smurf

Equalise speed then goku is cooked then Maybe. For now.

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this is a stomp in favor of rimuru

Here

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-30T23:46:22+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
The slime characters are L1-C now, and already Rimuru stomped CC Goku and Arale.

Not Arale, just Goku.

Can't even kill her.

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-30T23:47:25+0000

Fezzih_007 said:
Not Arale, just Goku.

Can't even kill her.

It was discussed that Arale could not interact either.

DaReaperMan · 2024-10-30T23:47:58+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
It was discussed that Arale could not interact either.

Can rimuru kill her though?

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-30T23:51:03+0000

DaReaperMan said:
Can rimuru kill her though?

No resistance to CM 1

Dragonite007 · 2024-10-30T23:51:44+0000

Arkenis said:
Salem isn't 7-B anymore so she needs to be removed.

Removed

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-30T23:52:13+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
It was discussed that Arale could not interact either.

Yeah, but RImuru can't kill her due to her plot Manipulation and multilocation.

Minaaaa · 2024-10-30T23:53:14+0000

Janus and the sorrow arent physically 8-B

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-30T23:54:21+0000

Fezzih_007 said:
Yeah, but RImuru can't kill her due to her plot Manipulation and multilocation.

Arale has no resistance to Conceptual Manipulation, so he can simply destroy her concept.

DaReaperMan · 2024-10-31T00:01:02+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
Arale has no resistance to Conceptual Manipulation, so he can simply destroy her concept.

Rimuru has no way around plot-based Immortality, so he fails hard

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-31T00:02:50+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
Arale has no resistance to Conceptual Manipulation, so he can simply destroy her concept.

Rimuru can't affect Arale trought, since he lacks plot Manipulation.

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-31T00:03:31+0000

DaReaperMan said:
Rimuru has no way around plot-based Immortality, so he fails hard

Plot can't impede/affect anything done by concept manipulation or vice versa, unless they prove it, so if Arale has his concept destroyed, doesn't matter at all her plot hax

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-31T00:04:02+0000

Fezzih_007 said:
Rimuru can't affect Arale trought, since he lacks plot Manipulation.

Plot manipulation does not prevent interaction.

Rimuru has Abstract Existence of Concept type 1

Wesker018 · 2024-10-31T00:08:14+0000

Fezzih_007 said:
Rimuru can't affect Arale trought, since he lacks plot Manipulation.

Plot Manip only works against things that the verse has proven to work against, so it's nlf to assume that it would work against concept manipulation. (You can read this on the plot manipulation page). Because of that, her plot manipulation can't save her, first because it wouldn't detect Rimuru existence and second because it wouldn't detect CM1 attacks.

Now what I don't know is if rimuru can counter her immortality.

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-31T00:11:06+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
Plot manipulation does not prevent interaction.

Rimuru has Abstract Existence of Concept type 1

In Arale case, It does since basically she can exist outside of the plot.

Go to her page real Quick, and scroll down to her multilocation.

Rimuru would need 2 layers of 5D range and Plot Manipulation to affect her.

He have the range (I think) not the other.

Wesker018 said:
Plot Manip only works against things that the verse has proven to work against,

Wow.

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-31T00:20:50+0000

Wesker018 said:
Plot Manip only works against things that the verse has proven to work against, so it's nlf to assume that it would work against concept manipulation. (You can read this on the plot manipulation page). Because of that, her plot manipulation can't save her, first because it wouldn't detect Rimuru existence and second because it wouldn't detect CM1 attacks.

Now what I don't know is if rimuru can counter her immortality.

He can absorb her in the Imaginary Space, if he cannot kill it he can lock her there.

Fezzih_007 said:
In Arale case, It does since basically she can exist outside of the plot.

Go to her page real Quick, and scroll down to her multilocation.

Rimuru would need 2 layers of 5D range and Plot Manipulation to affect her.

He have the range (I think) not the other.

Wow.

This is only acausality Type 3, (This is how it appears on her profile), Rimuru denies it since his Demon Slime key.

Immortality Negation (Types 6 & 9) and Acausality Negation (Type 3; Via Beelzebuth"Imaginary Space/Complex Space"; By isolating Velgrynd with Imaginary Space, it cuts off Velgrynd's parallel existence and separates the bodies from the main body)

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-31T00:24:53+0000

In fact, checking her profile, her's not even L1-C physically, so... what's her doing here?

2-C physically, higher with Transformations & N'cha Cannon; Low 1-C with Plot Manipulation

Striking Strength: Low Multiverse level (Easily defeated Vegeta with 2 strikes and fought on par with post Future Trunks Arc Super Saiyan Blue Goku, who himself was not sure if he could beat Arale[120]), higher with Transformations (Can turn into a Super Saiyan[166])

Durability: Low Multiverse level (Tanked attacks from Vegeta and fought on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku[120]), higher with Transformations (Can turn into a Super Saiyan[166])

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-31T00:25:55+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
This is only acausality Type 3, (This is how it appears on her profile),

I actually talking about her multilocation after the 4wall break

Meli_Tempest said:
Rimuru denies it since his Demon Slime key.

Again, he needs plot Manipulation to actually affect her.

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-31T00:27:26+0000

Meli_Tempest said:
In fact, checking her profile, her's not even L1-C physically, so... what's her doing here?

This Arale is.
The one that is in the list, that have all the abilities of the other one.

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-31T00:28:25+0000

Fezzih_007 said:
This Arale is.
The one that is in the list, that have all the abilities of the other one.

Ah, that explains it

Eikichi_Sensei · 2024-10-31T00:40:28+0000

What does Sora do to be so high up?

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-31T00:46:28+0000

Eikichi_Sensei said:
What does Sora do to be so high up?

The list for Low 1-C is kinda outdated.

Here a list that is more updated.

Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Rules: -Characters are only allowed hax that reaches up to 5D -Speed is equalized 1. Characters from BlazBlue / Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Alva Avan Edison and M) 2. Ozriel 3. Characters from Slay the Princess (The Princess and The Hero) / Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime...

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Mizuki67 · 2024-10-31T00:47:14+0000

Eikichi_Sensei said:
What does Sora do to be so high up?

Nothing he should be removed from position

Dragonite007 · 2024-10-31T00:48:30+0000

Minaaaa said:
Janus and the sorrow arent physically 8-B

Removed

091Franky · 2024-10-31T03:09:16+0000

Fezzih_007 said:
This Arale is.
The one that is in the list, that have all the abilities of the other one.

She can't interact with him and she gets passively conceptually erased (5 layers) every time she is there so what's her wincon?

Mizuki67 · 2024-10-31T03:24:04+0000

091Franky said:
She can't interact with him and she gets passively conceptually erased (5 layers) every time she is there so what's her wincon?

That dude said we cant affect her because she exist outside of plot but Rimuru is top 3 in non smurf anyways

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-31T03:31:22+0000

Mizuki67 said:
That dude said we cant affect her because she exist outside of plot but Rimuru is top 3 in non smurf anyways

I mean yeah, Rimuru and Arale can't kill each other, but RImuru does beat the other people above in the list, so he gets a higher.

091Franky · 2024-10-31T03:52:30+0000

Mizuki67 said:
That dude said we cant affect her because she exist outside of plot but Rimuru is top 3 in non smurf anyways

I'm pretty sure that definitely doesn't warrant inaccessibliy unless she has AE 1 based on plot. She is still low 1c and Rimuru has enough range to deal with her

Fezzih_007 · 2024-10-31T03:54:48+0000

Yeah okay, I not repeating myself.

Phsccarvalho · 2024-10-31T04:23:51+0000

Just create a vsthread with Arale, better than discussing it here.

Meli_Tempest · 2024-10-31T04:32:31+0000

Phsccarvalho said:
Just create a vsthread with Arale, better than discussing it here.

I don't think it is necessary at all

MountainWine · 2024-10-31T05:07:35+0000

091Franky said:
I'm pretty sure that definitely doesn't warrant inaccessibliy unless she has AE 1 based on plot. She is still low 1c and Rimuru has enough range to deal with her

Doesn’t the DB games have a massive scaling chain above infinite L1C structures and even a layer above baseline infinite L1C? Making their range and AP vastly superior to Tensura. Though a fight seems inconclusive regardless.

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